Just Imagine if Gronk... Grassy Knoll Super Merge

[A Defiant Goose]

Tastes good. Bad for you.

Imagine if TB12 ate two Dorito Cheesy Gordita Crunch tacos? His highly calibrated digestive system would go into complete shock. He'd be on the hopper for a week.

Maybe you didn't hear me so I'll try again.


Don't.

Talk.

****abouttacobell.

If it continues you'll be confined to any of my 3 Taco-Bell-developed fat rolls for a minimum of one Taco Bell Xbox Promotion Season

 

[Nehalem]

See my explanation above for dismissing the INT's.

And I don't dislike Gronk. He's probably the most dominant tight end we've ever seen. But that neither diminishes nor excuses the consequences of what he did! I know a guy like him. He's "only" about 6'3" 290 (compared to Gronk) but you can't even horse around with him or try to grapple coz he doesn't realize his own strength and gets caught up, starts throwing his weight around and you inevitably end up getting hurt. Doesn't realize how seriously he could injure someone by throwing his weight around like that.

Okay, so subtract Ben's "one bad game"... he still has twice as many interceptions as Brady.

 

[PatsWSB47]

What a tool. Something you imagine happens that never did should enter in the severity of the punishment of a Patriot player then deny interceptions that actually happened when comparing a the Steeler player that threw them to a Patriot player that has thrown way less.

 

[Deus Irae]

Just Imagine

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people living life in peace

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people sharing all the world

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one


Even in that world, Roethlisberger would be nowhere near the QB that Brady is.

 

[Tony2046]

See my explanation above for dismissing the INT's.

And I don't dislike Gronk. He's probably the most dominant tight end we've ever seen. But that neither diminishes nor excuses the consequences of what he did! I know a guy like him. He's "only" about 6'3" 290 (compared to Gronk) but you can't even horse around with him or try to grapple coz he doesn't realize his own strength and gets caught up, starts throwing his weight around and you inevitably end up getting hurt. Doesn't realize how seriously he could injure someone by throwing his weight around like that.

I don't dislike Juju. But that neither diminishes nor excuses the consequences of what he did. He's a dink and likes to take punk ass cheap shots while you're not looking. What if he shattered Burfict's spine with that hit? My god. But I'll bet he wishes he had because he knows he's going to have to see him twice next year. I'll bet he won't play those games. "My ankle hurts coach".

Your INT explanation is useless. Even if you only want to count the 5 int game as 1 it still leaves Ben at 9.

Don't worry though. Ben will toss a few more over the next few weeks. It's his MO.

Btw: Shouldn't you be trolling over at the Ravens forum? Or do you troll two weeks in advance?

 

[Gatekeeper]

indeed they do!

If Tom Brady throws 102 interceptions before he throws even one more touchdown pass, he and Ben will be equal in career TD/INT ratio (regular season)

If Tom Brady starts at QB for 44 more games and throws for a combined zero touchdowns in all of them, he and Ben will be equal in TD passes per start for their careers (regular season)

If Tom Brady starts at QB for 90 more games and the Patriots lose each and every game, he and Ben will be equal in winning percentage (regular season)

To say that they are even remotely close in terms of accomplishments just makes you look ridiculous!

By the way, if you want to look into postseason accomplishments, be my guest. It isn't pretty for you.

Tom Brady Stats | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Ben Roethlisberger Stats | Pro-Football-Reference.com

A lot of it has to do with style. Tom has always been a pocket guy. For the first 8 or so years of Ben's career, he was a pure scrambler/gunslinger. Bypassing shorter stuff to extend plays and take chances down the field. That will naturally result in more INT's, but also pay higher dividends. (Hence, Ben's higher career YPA over Tom.) That goes for reg. season and playoffs.

Ben's never been about pretty numbers, so even the fact he's made it to the all-time top 10 of all major passing categories is impressive in its own right.

The bottom line is THIS is the season that will make or break this whole conversation. If - and that's a BIG if - Pit can knock out NE this year and Ben can get a third ring, it's now 5-3 Brady. At that point, Ben may get motivated to play longer with all of the weapons he has. Who knows what could happen from there. If Brady goes to another Super Bowl, win or lose, it will pretty much be a wrap. That'll be 8 appearances and 5 or 6 wins. Even if Ben squeezes out another one, it wouldn't be enough to put them in the same conversation. No one would be in the same conversation, even Montana, Peyton, etc.

 

[Wheelman]

@Gatekeeper Just tell me which team you're a fan of.

 

[Gatekeeper]

One thing I will retract. Roeth is not fat. He does eat Taco Bell

https://www.quora.com/Is-Ben-Roethlisberger-fat



You can't leave out INTs. That is what separates great decision-making great QBs from the rest.

With that said over his career Roeth is a lot better with the football than guys like Favre, etc

Overall Roeth is a HoF Qb. Angling him as an equal to Tom is nuts.



Well....durability kinda matters.

See my previous post that basically addresses your points. As for Bell, he's still young. If he can stay healthy the next 4-5 years, he will be in the ballpark with any RB in history for all-purpose yards. Whether or not he does it with Pit is the question.

 

[Gatekeeper]

So ? Yardage effencicy? You cherry pick this stat? I dont get it.

Brady was not know for being a long ball hitter. He dinked and dunked better than anyone has. It won games. So just because a QB had more yards on each attempt on average - but won less games and championships is some sort of accomplishment?

What I cant understand is you use one set of tangibles to proclaim RB has an edge over TB and then a completely opposite ones to try to explain how Ward has something over Moss.

You are embarrassing yourself with this childish crap.

The point is, just pure yardage itself is not the best barometer for QB greatness. It CAN be, but it can also be due to pure longevity as well. Kerry Collins and Vinny Testaverde are each in the top 16 all-time in that stat! That's what makes YPA an important modifier to pure yards.

 

[Bruins29]

See my previous post that basically addresses your points. As for Bell, he's still young. If he can stay healthy the next 4-5 years, he will be in the ballpark with any RB in history for all-purpose yards. Whether or not he does it with Pit is the question.

Now its

in the next 4-5 years

in the ballpark

all purpose yards

 

[PatsWSB47]

If Brady squeezes one more out the.......see how that works?

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

The bottom line is THIS is the season that will make or break this whole conversation.

Well, this season, and the next 5.5 seasons, since if Brady and the Patriots go 0-90 over the rest of his career, then it starts getting equal!

I know your response...

wins are irrelevant,
interceptions are irrelevant,
TD passes are irrelevant,
yards passing are irrelevant,
completion percentages are irrelevant,
passer ratings are irrelevant,
first downs are irrelevant,
3rd down completion percentages are irrelevant,
game-winning drives are irrelevant,
comeback wins are irrelevant,
Super Bowl MVPs are irrelevant,
trophies are irrelevant

It all about that extra fraction of a yard per attempt!

Did you know that Josh McCown and Jameis Winston are both ahead of Ben in yards per attempt for this year? Ben is 14th. Tom is 2nd, behind Deshawn Watson (who likely won't qualify, when full seasons are played, but he does for now).

 

[patman12]

 

[Tony2046]

A lot of it has to do with style. Tom has always been a pocket guy. For the first 8 or so years of Ben's career, he was a pure scrambler/gunslinger. Bypassing shorter stuff to extend plays and take chances down the field. That will naturally result in more INT's, but also pay higher dividends. (Hence, Ben's higher career YPA over Tom.) That goes for reg. season and playoffs.

Ben's never been about pretty numbers, so even the fact he's made it to the all-time top 10 of all major passing categories is impressive in its own right.

The bottom line is THIS is the season that will make or break this whole conversation. If - and that's a BIG if - Pit can knock out NE this year and Ben can get a third ring, it's now 5-3 Brady. At that point, Ben may get motivated to play longer with all of the weapons he has. Who knows what could happen from there. If Brady goes to another Super Bowl, win or lose, it will pretty much be a wrap. That'll be 8 appearances and 5 or 6 wins. Even if Ben squeezes out another one, it wouldn't be enough to put them in the same conversation. No one would be in the same conversation, even Montana, Peyton, etc.

You're still living in the land of "what ifs". If this .... if that.....

But the reality is that Gronk is playing, Brady is the GOAT and has 5 Rings.

 

[Gwedd]

So, it's another slow news day at PatsFans.com It must be slow considering all of us posted to this thread.

Yeah....... I need a life too. Sigh.

 

[BelizePats]

Can we ban this guy for just being a general all around wanker?

 

[billdog3484]

If he broke the guy's neck, some here would defend him. It would happen.

maybe. but he didnt

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

Ididn't think there was any way this week I would read a dumber thread than "Bill might be autistic" thread. Congratulations , you might have succeed ed

 

[Former Fan]

Bell isn't even in the conversation for best of all time...anything. He's just one of hundreds before him, virtually indistinguishable from the hundreds who'll come after him.

He's JAG who happens to play for one of the media darling franchises.

 

[Ring 6]

Yards is one thing, but what about yardage efficiency?

All time Yards per attempt:

Ben: 7.9
Tom 7.5
Eli: 7.0

The stats speak for themselves. Ben has been the most efficient of the three over their careers. (Roethlisberger is actually tied for 5th all time in this stat. Eli is 82nd!!) Early in his career, Pit was still a run-heavy team, so he doesn't have as many career attempts, and hence, not as many yards.

The same case could be made for the TD differences.

You picked the categories then moved the goal posts.
At least you finally found one number that looks good for the rapist even though you don’t even understand it.

So now Tds And ints and wins and championships don’t matter.

Please show you are not a complete idiot and admit you realize rapistburger isn’t near the same level as brady. Otherwise you just clown yourself.