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[Bruins29]

Le'veon (the greatest pass-receiving back in NFL history)

You are kinda moving the goalposts but feel free to compare season if you wish. BR is a good QB but he is not in the league of TB all time

As far as your above statement, no way Bell is above Tomlinson or Faulk

 

[RobertWeathers]

I mean stat-wise specific to this season.

Brady: 3,6362 Yards 26 TD's .833 Win pct
Ben: 3,238 Yards 22 TD's .833 Win pct.

As far as long term, Tom had a head start in the league by several seasons. If Ben can get a third ring this year, he may rethink his retirement talk and stick around another few seasons. That's where things will get interesting. Then it's 5-3 in terms of rings. And Ben has AB, Ju-Ju, and possibly Le'veon (the greatest pass-receiving back in NFL history) at his disposal for 3 more years. Not only are 2 more rings in the sights, but some monster stats. We shall see what happens...

You forgot to include interceptions.

Tom had only a 3 year head start

Ben is getting slower and less accurate. You can visibly see it.

Hes fat and eats Taco Bell. At 36 years old that is not smart

He'll be done in a year or two.

You forgot about Roger Craig.

 

[Kontradiction]

I mean stat-wise specific to this season.

Brady: 3,6362 Yards 26 TD's .833 Win pct
Ben: 3,238 Yards 22 TD's .833 Win pct.

As far as long term, Tom had a head start in the league by several seasons. If Ben can get a third ring this year, he may rethink his retirement talk and stick around another few seasons. That's where things will get interesting. Then it's 5-3 in terms of rings. And Ben has AB, Ju-Ju, and possibly Le'veon (the greatest pass-receiving back in NFL history) at his disposal for 3 more years. Not only are 2 more rings in the sights, but some monster stats. We shall see what happens...

I suppose you left INTs out on purpose? Ben has nine less of those than TDs this season in spite of having a ridiculous surrounding cast of pass catching options. He's in decline. You know he's in decline. Hell, he knows he's in decline. That's why he's talking retirement.

 

[Gatekeeper]

Hahahahaha
Not that far behind? Brady is the goat, Ben is a pretty good qb.
250 more titles. He has absolutely zero chance of challenging that.
15000 yards and 160 Tds is not close.
Ben trails Eli freaking manning in both.
Ben = Eli
Brady = GOAT

Ben = Eli??

Eli: 59.8 Comp. % 83.8 Rating 222 Int .532 Win pct.
Ben: 64.0 Comp. % 93.8 Rating 173 Int .679 Win pct.

In all fairness, I can see why you guys would be under the impression that Eli is much better than he really is.

 

[Kontradiction]

You are kinda moving the goalposts but feel free to compare season if you wish. BR is a good QB but he is not in the league of TB all time

As far as your above statement, no way Bell is above Tomlinson or Faulk

This guy is a massive, massive homer. The Steelers could execute a young boy with CP at the 50 yard line during halftime and he would argue that it was the GOAT execution.

 

[XLIX]

Le'veon (the greatest pass-receiving back in NFL history)

Me and Roger Craig just had a really good laugh.

 

[XLIX]

I don't mind the trolls. They're fun. But what pisses me off is that every single other forum on the internet kicks you out in a heartbeat.

 

[Bruins29]

Ben = Eli??

Eli: 59.8 Comp. % 83.8 Rating 222 Int .532 Win pct.
Ben: 64.0 Comp. % 93.8 Rating 173 Int .679 Win pct.

In all fairness, I can see why you guys would be under the impression that Eli is much better than he really is.

Why are you here? You ran your mouth off 10 years ago and got your ass munched. Now you are making some claim about BR being in TBs league which he is not, by any stretch. This whole Gronk thing is a massive red herring.

Your Bell claim is about as ridiculous as I have ever seen. What claim is next? Hines Ward was better than Randy Moss?

 

[Tony2046]

I mean stat-wise specific to this season.

Brady: 3,6362 Yards 26 TD's .833 Win pct
Ben: 3,238 Yards 22 TD's .833 Win pct.

As far as long term, Tom had a head start in the league by several seasons. If Ben can get a third ring this year, he may rethink his retirement talk and stick around another few seasons. That's where things will get interesting. Then it's 5-3 in terms of rings. And Ben has AB, Ju-Ju, and possibly Le'veon (the greatest pass-receiving back in NFL history) at his disposal for 3 more years. Not only are 2 more rings in the sights, but some monster stats. We shall see what happens...

Whoops. I think you forgot a few Stat details.

Brady: 3,6362 Yards 26 TD's 3 Ints .833 Win pct 109.7 Rating
Ben: 3,238 Yards 22 TD's 13 Ints .833 Win pct. 89.8 Rating

Btw, did you hear the news? Gronks playing. Thank God hurt himself when he accidentally tripped and fell on that guy the other day.

 

[A Defiant Goose]

You forgot to include interceptions.

Tom had only a 3 year head start

Ben is getting slower and less accurate. You can visibly see it.

Hes fat and eats Taco Bell. At 36 years old that is not smart

He'll be done in a year or two.

You forgot about Roger Craig.

Don't talk **** about Taco Bell

 

[Gatekeeper]

You forgot to include interceptions.

Tom had only a 3 year head start

Ben is getting slower and less accurate. You can visibly see it.

Hes fat and eats Taco Bell. At 36 years old that is not smart

He'll be done in a year or two.

You forgot about Roger Craig.

I didn't forget, I purposely left off interceptions because the stat is skewed. Ben had 5 in one game in which the whole team was in disarray. The fact is, it wouldn't have mattered if he threw 20 in that game, it would still have only counted for one loss. Brady has laid an egg or two in his career, no?

And Craig was great no doubt. Faulk, Tomlinson, etc. But without all of the injuries, Bell would have been putting up unheard of all-purpose stats the last few seasons.

 

[Tony2046]

I don't mind the trolls. They're fun. But what pisses me off is that every single other forum on the internet kicks you out in a heartbeat.

Difference is when we troll their forums we're right and they're wrong, they can't defend themselves and kick us out.

 

[Ring 6]

Ben = Eli??

Eli: 59.8 Comp. % 83.8 Rating 222 Int .532 Win pct.
Ben: 64.0 Comp. % 93.8 Rating 173 Int .679 Win pct.

In all fairness, I can see why you guys would be under the impression that Eli is much better than he really is.

So you are wrong and therefore move the goalposts. You said rapistburger was close to brady because if yards, TD and championships.
Eli has more yards than the rapist. Neither are close to brady.
Eli has more Tds than the rapist. Neither are close to brady.
Eli has as many rings as the rapists neither gave even hand as many as brady.

The number of rings I have is closer to rapistburgers than the the number he has us to Brady’s.

And since you admitted the Steelers have zero chance to beat the patriots the gap is only going to widen.

 

[Gatekeeper]

Why are you here? You ran your mouth off 10 years ago and got your ass munched. Now you are making some claim about BR being in TBs league which he is not, by any stretch. This whole Gronk thing is a massive red herring.

Your Bell claim is about as ridiculous as I have ever seen. What claim is next? Hines Ward was better than Randy Moss?

I'm not stating a case that Ben and Tom are equal, or ever will be. But it's still possible that when it's all said and done, they'll be mentioned in the same conversations.

Moss was no doubt a more freakish physical specimen, and a better stat monster. A definite HOF'er. But Hines was a more championship-caliber player who did whatever it took to win. Also a HOF'er. (1,000 catches, 2 SB's, one SB MVP)

 

[Gatekeeper]

Whoops. I think you forgot a few Stat details.

Brady: 3,6362 Yards 26 TD's 3 Ints .833 Win pct 109.7 Rating
Ben: 3,238 Yards 22 TD's 13 Ints .833 Win pct. 89.8 Rating

Btw, did you hear the news? Gronks playing. Thank God hurt himself when he accidentally tripped and fell on that guy the other day.

See my explanation above for dismissing the INT's.

And I don't dislike Gronk. He's probably the most dominant tight end we've ever seen. But that neither diminishes nor excuses the consequences of what he did! I know a guy like him. He's "only" about 6'3" 290 (compared to Gronk) but you can't even horse around with him or try to grapple coz he doesn't realize his own strength and gets caught up, starts throwing his weight around and you inevitably end up getting hurt. Doesn't realize how seriously he could injure someone by throwing his weight around like that.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Don't talk **** about Taco Bell

Tastes good. Bad for you.

Imagine if TB12 ate two Dorito Cheesy Gordita Crunch tacos? His highly calibrated digestive system would go into complete shock. He'd be on the hopper for a week.

 

[Gatekeeper]

So you are wrong and therefore move the goalposts. You said rapistburger was close to brady because if yards, TD and championships.
Eli has more yards than the rapist. Neither are close to brady.
Eli has more Tds than the rapist. Neither are close to brady.
Eli has as many rings as the rapists neither gave even hand as many as brady.

The number of rings I have is closer to rapistburgers than the the number he has us to Brady’s.

And since you admitted the Steelers have zero chance to beat the patriots the gap is only going to widen.

Yards is one thing, but what about yardage efficiency?

All time Yards per attempt:

Ben: 7.9
Tom 7.5
Eli: 7.0

The stats speak for themselves. Ben has been the most efficient of the three over their careers. (Roethlisberger is actually tied for 5th all time in this stat. Eli is 82nd!!) Early in his career, Pit was still a run-heavy team, so he doesn't have as many career attempts, and hence, not as many yards.

The same case could be made for the TD differences.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

The stats speak for themselves.

indeed they do!

If Tom Brady throws 102 interceptions before he throws even one more touchdown pass, he and Ben will be equal in career TD/INT ratio (regular season)

If Tom Brady starts at QB for 44 more games and throws for a combined zero touchdowns in all of them, he and Ben will be equal in TD passes per start for their careers (regular season)

If Tom Brady starts at QB for 90 more games and the Patriots lose each and every game, he and Ben will be equal in winning percentage (regular season)

To say that they are even remotely close in terms of accomplishments just makes you look ridiculous!

By the way, if you want to look into postseason accomplishments, be my guest. It isn't pretty for you.

Tom Brady Stats | Pro-Football-Reference.com

Ben Roethlisberger Stats | Pro-Football-Reference.com

 

[RobertWeathers]

One thing I will retract. Roeth is not fat. He does eat Taco Bell

https://www.quora.com/Is-Ben-Roethlisberger-fat

I didn't forget, I purposely left off interceptions because the stat is skewed. Ben had 5 in one game in which the whole team was in disarray. The fact is, it wouldn't have mattered if he threw 20 in that game, it would still have only counted for one loss. Brady has laid an egg or two in his career, no?

You can't leave out INTs. That is what separates great decision-making great QBs from the rest.

With that said over his career Roeth is a lot better with the football than guys like Favre, etc

Overall Roeth is a HoF Qb. Angling him as an equal to Tom is nuts.

And Craig was great no doubt. Faulk, Tomlinson, etc. But without all of the injuries, Bell would have been putting up unheard of all-purpose stats the last few seasons.

Well....durability kinda matters.

 

[Bruins29]

Yards is one thing, but what about yardage efficiency?

All time Yards per attempt:

Ben: 7.9
Tom 7.5
Eli: 7.0

The stats speak for themselves. Ben has been the most efficient of the three over their careers. (Roethlisberger is actually tied for 5th all time in this stat. Eli is 82nd!!) Early in his career, Pit was still a run-heavy team, so he doesn't have as many career attempts, and hence, not as many yards.

The same case could be made for the TD differences.

So ? Yardage effencicy? You cherry pick this stat? I dont get it.

Brady was not know for being a long ball hitter. He dinked and dunked better than anyone has. It won games. So just because a QB had more yards on each attempt on average - but won less games and championships is some sort of accomplishment?

What I cant understand is you use one set of tangibles to proclaim RB has an edge over TB and then a completely opposite ones to try to explain how Ward has something over Moss.

You are embarrassing yourself with this childish crap.