Gronk gets 1 game

[Bruins29]

This is one of those posts where I legit cant tell if its serious or facetious.

He is serious. Isnt that scary?

 

[moosekill]

My issue is with the league. The NFL should have a system of punishments in writing that explains exactly what is going to happen and what the fine/punishment will be for each infraction. It should get more stringent with each incident but it should be consistent.

The problem is they do it on the fly, so they end up either doing to little, Ray Rice, or too much, Tom Brady, spy gate,etc.

Domestic abuse, 4 games, first incident, 16 games second. Flagrant late hit, fine first incident, 1 game second incident, 2 games third, etc. It would be so easy to do and make 90% of the crap the league is suffering with right now go away.

But they are idiots.

 

[Simpelton]

Personally, I doubt that he’d do that to a player who’s been a role model his entire career. One instance of losing his cool is ok

Even one instance of "losing his cool" in a manner like that isn't OK at all... but you are right that Gronk has been a rock for us and may get some slack on that basis.

 

[Uncle Rico]

Never mind. Just went back and this is well talked out. Trying to remember how to delete a post now. Coffee time.

 

[PatsDeb]

Actually I was thinking the teachable moment would be to make him inactive for the Bills game, but in reality, the real reason would be to protect him from injury from a vengeful Bills team who would like nothing better than to take him out.

Of course no Gronk makes the Pats worse, BUT....

If we need a win against Buffalo for HFA in the playoffs, no way Gronk sits. One of the reasons Buffalo holds him all the time is they can't defend him. Also, I don't think BB would screw with Gronk's incentives like that, particularly if his suspension against Miami is upheld. We need a healthy Gronk both mentally and physically for the playoffs. I say this somewhat jokingly, but you don't want Papa Gronk getting involved. BB won't punish him a 2nd time for this. He'll want to move on, as will Gronk. BB already sat him for the end of the Buffalo game, and the fine (if he wins the appeal) or suspension against Miami will be enough. If he does anything, he might sit him for the first series, or not let him "start", ala Wes Welker or Richard Seymour, but I don't even think he'll do that (those guys didn't receive any punishment from the league for their "infractions").

 

[AQPE]

Moosekill, I agree with you, but I don't assume that the league office being arbitrary and inconsistent on their penalties is based in idiocy (though their idiocy is evident). I think it is deliberate and based in duplicity - protecting favored owners and protecting storylines.

All that said, I don't have an issue with the suspension. I think it was justified here. My issue, same as you I think, is the utter lack of consistency in these matters.

To my point: are you expecting a suspension for Smith-Shuster of Pittsburgh for his hit and taunt on Burfict last night? I'm not. I'm not sure I think it warrants that either, but I've come to believe that if that sort of act is done by a Patriot, a Seahawk, a Bengal, etc., it will much more likely get a severe penalty, while when done by a Jet, a Giant, a Steeler, or a Raven, the likelihood of a severe penalty is much lower. Probably just paranoia on my part but looking at the recent history I just expect the league office will protect the pecking order on this one, as they seem to do time and time again.

 

[Triumph]

Why? Other players who have done worse, appealed and have seen their fines reduced.

He has seen his QB suspended for 4 games for doing nothing.

Why should Gronk sit there and take it from a league that is not interested in justice?

OK, reduce the fine to half a game and $500 bucks.

Gronk speared the guy right in front of the ref. Dumb and Gronk will hopefully think twice before doing it again by serving his 1 game. You expect thug turds like Burfect to act like idiots. Gronk is better than that.

 

[RobertWeathers]

OK, reduce the fine to half a game and $500 bucks.

Gronk speared the guy right in front of the ref. Dumb and Gronk will hopefully think twice before doing it again by serving his 1 game. You expect thug turds like Burfect to act like idiots. Gronk is better than that.

I'm not defending his actions. What he did was cheap.

However I'm defending his right to appeal his suspension because the kangaroo-court of a league has zero credibility and no f-ing clue how to be consistent with discipline.

I have no interest in justice. I want to see Gronk play. Period.

 

[The Brandon Five]

OK, reduce the fine to half a game and $500 bucks.

Gronk speared the guy right in front of the ref. Dumb and Gronk will hopefully think twice before doing it again by serving his 1 game. You expect thug turds like Burfect to act like idiots. Gronk is better than that.

Speared? What game were you watching?

 

[lillloyd]

To my point: are you expecting a suspension for Smith-Shuster of Pittsburgh for his hit and taunt on Burfict last night? I'm not.

I'm 100% certain JuJu gets suspended.

Similar logic to the Gronk situation AFAIC - the league simply can't afford to look like they don't take a concussion-causing illegal hit seriously. Certainly not one that takes place on MNF.

We're evaluating these hits on a moral basis, but to the NFL once concussions are involved the evaluation is strictly a business decision.

 

[Jackson 2]

My issue is with the league. The NFL should have a system of punishments in writing that explains exactly what is going to happen and what the fine/punishment will be for each infraction. It should get more stringent with each incident but it should be consistent.

The problem is they do it on the fly, so they end up either doing to little, Ray Rice, or too much, Tom Brady, spy gate,etc.

Domestic abuse, 4 games, first incident, 16 games second. Flagrant late hit, fine first incident, 1 game second incident, 2 games third, etc. It would be so easy to do and make 90% of the crap the league is suffering with right now go away.

But they are idiots.

The NFL doesn't want a consistent system of discipline because in the absence of one, it gets to do whatever it wants to do. You're right, there should be one which includes a progressive scale of consequences. But, if I were on the league side of this matter, I'd want all the latitude I could get.

 

[RobertWeathers]

The NFL doesn't want a consistent system of discipline because in the absence of one, it gets to do whatever it wants to do. You're right, there should be one which includes a progressive scale of consequences. But, if I were on the league side of this matter, I'd want all the latitude I could get.

Thats actually a reasonable point. By being consistent it limits its PR options and ability to control the players and manipulate the narrative. With that said I don't think they always operate conscientiously.

 

[Froob]

Watch him somehow get a longer suspension for not being apologetic enough.



"I don't believe Rob..."

 

[moosekill]

The NFL doesn't want a consistent system of discipline because in the absence of one, it gets to do whatever it wants to do. You're right, there should be one which includes a progressive scale of consequences. But, if I were on the league side of this matter, I'd want all the latitude I could get.

I think originally the league wanted that, but they have botched so many of these things it becomes apparent to anyone with half a brain they should have it.

It is so much easier to govern if you have a set of rules to back you up. Let's just use Ray Rice for an example. If the league had a 1 game suspension for domestic violence in place, when he was caught on tape, Rodger would have said, the rule that the NFL has in place calls for a 1 game suspension. I agree that is too light a penalty, but that is what we have all agreed to and my hands are tied. I am taking this to both the owners and the union and will make sure that the next time this occurs we have an adequate policy in place.

Same with the kneeling protests. If there was a rule you simply follow the rule, 15 yard penalty to start the game, fine for player, suspension, whatever. You simply show everyone the rule, assess the penalty then say I am bringing this forward to the owners and union to get it changed.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

If we need a win against Buffalo for HFA in the playoffs, no way Gronk sits. One of the reasons Buffalo holds him all the time is they can't defend him. Also, I don't think BB would screw with Gronk's incentives like that, particularly if his suspension against Miami is upheld. We need a healthy Gronk both mentally and physically for the playoffs. I say this somewhat jokingly, but you don't want Papa Gronk getting involved. BB won't punish him a 2nd time for this. He'll want to move on, as will Gronk. BB already sat him for the end of the Buffalo game, and the fine (if he wins the appeal) or suspension against Miami will be enough. If he does anything, he might sit him for the first series, or not let him "start", ala Wes Welker or Richard Seymour, but I don't even think he'll do that (those guys didn't receive any punishment from the league for their "infractions").

i don’t think belichick would ever impose double discipline on a player (one from the league and on from the team). bottom line is Gronk needs to learn his lesson and a one game suspension does that. It would be interesting to see what BB would do if the league were to reduce the suspension to a fine...

 

[SHOWTIME15]

I'm 100% certain JuJu gets suspended.

Similar logic to the Gronk situation AFAIC - the league simply can't afford to look like they don't take a concussion-causing illegal hit seriously. Certainly not one that takes place on MNF.

We're evaluating these hits on a moral basis, but to the NFL once concussions are involved the evaluation is strictly a business decision.

I wish Juju gets suspended for the pats game, but it’s not like we can’t beat them with him or anything.

 

[RobertWeathers]

i don’t think belichick would ever impose double discipline on a player (one from the league and on from the team). bottom line is Gronk needs to learn his lesson and a one game suspension does that. It would be interesting to see what BB would do if the league were to reduce the suspension to a fine...

I don't intend to unload on you but it is driving me crazy that there are fans who think, "Gronk should not appeal and should just take his medicine", and "BB should discipline Gronk as well". Why?

Here is a league that has disciplined this team where there was nothing to discipline them over.

If BB thinks he needs to sit Gronk a series or fine him because Gronk didn't "walk away" and he hurt the team then thats his call. But Gronk, BB and the NEP owe the league nothing. Zero. Nada.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

I don't intend to unload on you but it is driving me crazy that there are fans who think, "Gronk should not appeal and should just take his medicine", and "BB should discipline Gronk as well". Why?

Here is a league that has disciplined this team where there was nothing to discipline them over.

If BB thinks he needs to sit Gronk a series or fine him because Gronk didn't "walk away" and he hurt the team then thats his call. But Gronk, BB and the NEP owe the league nothing. Zero. Nada.

I am not saying Belichick should impose a team penalty on Gronk if he ends up winning the appeal...I’m just saying I think it would be interesting to see what if anything Belichick does in such a scenario. It’s totally up to Belichick, but I could see him sitting Gronk for a series or two against Miami if the league reduces it to a fine.

 

[Tony2046]

I'm 100% certain JuJu gets suspended.

Similar logic to the Gronk situation AFAIC - the league simply can't afford to look like they don't take a concussion-causing illegal hit seriously. Certainly not one that takes place on MNF.

We're evaluating these hits on a moral basis, but to the NFL once concussions are involved the evaluation is strictly a business decision.

I doubt it. I think Gronk's hit was a bit more egregious and I don't think Burfict went into concussion protocol.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I am not saying Belichick should impose a team penalty on Gronk if he ends up winning the appeal...I’m just saying I think it would be interesting to see what if anything Belichick does in such a scenario. It’s totally up to Belichick, but I could see him sitting Gronk for a series or two against Miami if the league reduces it to a fine.

That certainly is Bill's prerogative but this is a interesting situation.

It is a fact that because of his size and talent, Gronk has been the subject of referee prejudice. The whole team knows it. Bill knows it. I think he recognizes the situation as one in which Gronk simply lost his cool because of how frustrated he was. I'm not justifying what Gronk did. It was way out of line. However Bill's job is to defend his players and I think because of this situation, I think Bill is more inclined to have a stern talking to with Gronk with the message being, "Look, I know whats going out there. I know you are frustrated but with this stuff you are hurting the team and yourself by retaliating like this. If it happens again.....".