Gronkowski May Have Put Himself in Harms Way For Rematch With Bills

[mosslost]

Sure it was, right along with the incessant holding of Gronk and no zebra flags in sight (except on Gronk himself, of course).

what Gronk did was not football, not a play, or even an action in the course of football. And whining about the holding and PI as some sort of excuse for Gronk's attack is absurd.

 

[mosslost]

So we've now determined that you just have zero clue what that word means

what word?

 

[PatsDeb]

what Gronk did was not football, not a play, or even an action in the course of football. And whining about the holding and PI as some sort of excuse for Gronk's attack is absurd.

LOL, yeah, I'm whining. Whatever dude.

 

[Kontradiction]

what word?

Irrelevant.

For every action, there is a reaction. The action was the constant holding of Gronk. The dirty hit was the reaction. Action.... reaction. Without the action, there wouldn't have been a reaction. Therefore, the grabbing, pulling, holding, and PI is absolutely relevant when discussing the dirty hit.

Any other questions?

 

[mosslost]

That play still makes me angry. A flag was thrown and then picked up with no penalty. Broncos ended the season at 13-3 and we ended the season at 12-4. If we had won, we had tiebreaker over the Broncos as we beat them in week 12. This non-call cost us the #1 seed and home field advantage.

No bad calls justify Gronk's attack.

 

[mosslost]

LOL, yeah, I'm whining. Whatever dude.

yep, you are crying too

 

[mosslost]

Irrelevant.

For every action, there is a reaction. The action was the constant holding of Gronk. The dirty hit was the reaction. Action.... reaction. Without the action, there wouldn't have been a reaction. Therefore, the grabbing, pulling, holding, and PI is absolutely relevant when discussing the dirty hit.

Any other questions?

no questions actually no. And I was correct, it is totally irrelevant.

 

[Kontradiction]

no questions actually no. And I was correct, it is totally irrelevant.

Then you're about as dumb as it gets and should start to panic about the trajectory that your life is probably going in.

 

[mosslost]

Then you're about as dumb as it gets and should start to panic about the trajectory that your life is probably going in.

lol. You don't even know what the word irrelevant means. And I have total confidence and happiness in my life's trajectory.

 

[maineman209]

I know that Travis Kelce, OBJ and Antonio Brown have completed about this stuff recently. When you're one of the best offensive players on the team, especially if you're tall and reasonably physical, you'll get all kind of nonsense from defenders, and some of it will even be called.

This is why Malcolm Butler's so amazing. He can generally manage to take a player away from the opposing offense on man coverage, WITHOUT resorting to that kind of BS. Not a lot of top cornerbacks can claim that.

Agree about Butler - all the Pats DBs, really. I don't think I'm seen any of them show such blatant disregard for the DH and PI rules as White did on the play preceding Gronk losing his s**t. Certainly not without being flagged for it.

If there is some sort of unofficial double standard wrt flagging defenders who are covering the largest, most physical pass-catchers, I can sorta accept that, as long as it's consistent from player-to-player.

But then there's the flip-side, the quid-pro-quo. That need to be consistent, too. I mean, I've seen Gronk (and everybody else) get away with the occasional push-off that could be flagged as OPI. But I feel like I've seen Gronk get flagged for "phantom OPI" and offensive holding a lot more than I've seen happen to other players of similar physical stature. I don't know that for a fact because I hadn't thought to watch for it till now.

One thing that I can't recall seeing Gronk do is retaliate in kind during a play in progress on a defender who was "roughing him up", at least not the way I recall seeing guys Like Boldin and Hines Ward do (and get away with). Perhaps Gronk just blocks them a little extra hard when he's not the ball carrier (he often does blow up DEs and LBs aaround the LoS with crunching blocks).

Of course, all of this can quickly devolve into "He started it! NO! HE started it!!" sort of arguments. And it would likely require a very scrupulous review of 256 games worth of the All-22 to even come close to determining whether or not Gronk has been "victimized" by a thumb on the scales or not.

 

[Kontradiction]

lol. You don't even know what the word irrelevant means. And I have total confidence and happiness in my life's trajectory.

This is high comedy. Thanks.

 

[yukon cornelius]

Irrelevant.

For every action, there is a reaction. The action was the constant holding of Gronk. The dirty hit was the reaction. Action.... reaction. Without the action, there wouldn't have been a reaction. Therefore, the grabbing, pulling, holding, and PI is absolutely relevant when discussing the dirty hit.

Any other questions?

if someone doesn't think gronk isn't going to go into a league meeting with his people and a tape of plays from the past season and previous seasons to show where his head was at and what motivated him, they don't get how this works

a guy like burfict, with his history, his demeanor, his style of play, his lack of remorse......he's simply a guy that earns his paycheck playing over the line


gronk is a guy that tends to play the game right.....he's usually pretty happy go lucky......if there is an appeal to be had or a meeting with the league, he's going to build his case, without a doubt, that he believes he is not officiated fairly (and he clearly has a case here), and that has built up into a lot of frustration on his part, and it boiled over on this play.....he showed remorse immediately afterwards (unlike 95% of the players facing disciplinary action), and can make the case for his mental state as a result being the motivation/cause for his actions vs. a player that simply plays the edge

 

[yukon cornelius]

Yep. Win that argument on the field. Beat them anyway. Show your superiority. What you absolutely DO NOT do is what Gronk did, take out his frustrations on a defenseless player in a brutal MMA move.

lol at brutal MMA move......you're nearing blocked status, but you're still making me laugh

 

[PatsFanSince74]

I'm not as worried about retaliation on Gronk at home v. Buffalo as I am worried about the Dirty Play Duo of Alonso and Suh going after Brady in Miami next week, especially if Gronkowski is on the field.

In addition, aside from making a dumb and dangerous play, Gronk will be getting called for every push and shove within five yards of the Line of Scrimmage and for anything that could vaguely be called a pick for the rest of the season and playoffs.

Yes, I know that Gronkowski gets pushed and held on practically every play, but that comes with the turf of being the best TE in the game today and maybe the best TE of all time. He usually controls his emotions, but yesterday he didn't and that could cost the Pats down the line, beyond any suspension.

 

[Simpelton]

lol at brutal MMA move......you're nearing blocked status, but you're still making me laugh

I didn't expect my position to be popular. I was overselling the point a bit, I'll admit. But it still looked more like an MMA maneuver than anything I'd expect to see an NFL player do. I was half expecting Gronk to put the guy in a leg hold.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

if someone doesn't think gronk isn't going to go into a league meeting with his people and a tape of plays from the past season and previous seasons to show where his head was at and what motivated him, they don't get how this works

a guy like burfict, with his history, his demeanor, his style of play, his lack of remorse......he's simply a guy that earns his paycheck playing over the line


gronk is a guy that tends to play the game right.....he's usually pretty happy go lucky......if there is an appeal to be had or a meeting with the league, he's going to build his case, without a doubt, that he believes he is not officiated fairly (and he clearly has a case here), and that has built up into a lot of frustration on his part, and it boiled over on this play.....he showed remorse immediately afterwards (unlike 95% of the players facing disciplinary action), and can make the case for his mental state as a result being the motivation/cause for his actions vs. a player that simply plays the edge

Gronk could bring a tape as long as Gone With The Wind to his appeal and it won't change anything.

In fact, I can't imagine Rob Gronkowski whining to the League like that. He's the best TE in the game and maybe the best TE of all time and he's gonna get held and pushed on every play. None of that changes the fact that he piled into a defenseless player, who was down and OB for at least a couple of seconds before he hit him.

As I and others have said, if a 270 pound TE or lineman did that to a 190 pound Malcolm Butler and sent him to the lockerroom, into the concussion protocol and possibly out for the next game, I'd sure as hell want him to be suspended.

 

[yukon cornelius]

I didn't expect my position to be popular. I was overselling the point a bit, I'll admit. But it still looked more like an MMA maneuver than anything I'd expect to see an NFL player do. I was half expecting Gronk to put the guy in a leg hold.

when did you start watching football?

serious question.......because piling on like this was commonplace not that long ago (although gronk was a few seconds late even for the 70s)......the reliance by the league on random suspensions has put us in a bad place, imo

 

[Pats1989]

Do not see BB holding Gronk back, unless the NFL decides otherwise, the Pats/Gronk need to face this thing head on and not run from it..

Stupid mistake, stupid penalty.. deal with it and all of its consequences..

Brady might be more at risk than Gronkowski for a cheap hit..

Beat Miami and Pittsburgh, sit Brady and Gronk for Buffalo, then beat the Jets. Gronk has put this team in a very tough spot.

 

[yukon cornelius]

Gronk could bring a tape as long as Gone With The Wind to his appeal and it won't change anything.

In fact, I can't imagine Rob Gronkowski whining to the League like that. He's the best TE in the game and maybe the best TE of all time and he's gonna get held and pushed on every play. None of that changes the fact that he piled into a defenseless player, who was down and OB for at least a couple of seconds before he hit him.

As I and others have said, if a 270 pound TE or lineman did that to a 190 pound Malcolm Butler and sent him to the lockerroom, into the concussion protocol and possibly out for the next game, I'd sure as hell want him to be suspended.

than you have no clue how this all works.......if there is a meeting or an appeal to be had, that is exactly what gronks people and the NFLPA will do.....they will attempt to establish his motivation for the play......270lb guys fall on top of 190lb guys every day, the chance to end one's career both in practice or a game is a constant......yes, it was after the whistle/after the play was over (not sure if there was an actual whistle), but his obvious remorse and establishment of motivation will be tantamount to any appeal process......it is what separates a kid like Gronk from a player like Suh or Burfict


you don't think Alonso or his people spoke with the league office and attempted to defend his hit on flacco? that's how this process works......

 

[PatsFanSince74]

than you have no clue how this all works.......if there is a meeting or an appeal to be had, that is exactly what gronks people and the NFLPA will do.....they will attempt to establish his motivation for the play......270lb guys fall on top of 190lb guys every day, the chance to end one's career both in practice or a game is a constant......yes, it was after the whistle/after the play was over (not sure if there was an actual whistle), but his obvious remorse and establishment of motivation will be tantamount to any appeal process......it is what separates a kid like Gronk from a player like Suh or Burfict


you don't think Alonso or his people spoke with the league office and attempted to defend his hit on flacco? that's how this process works......

And, I repeat my comment. He could bring in a three hour appeal tape and it won't change a thing.

If he gets one game, he should just take it and sit out next week. It it's a two week suspension that would have him out for the Steelers' game, it might be worth going through the charade you describe if there's a chance he could serve the suspension during the final two weeks of the season during home games that they should win.

But, no matter how you cut it, he's going to have to serve the suspension he's given...just a question of when it's in the Pats best interests for him to do so.

It was a vicious, unnecessary hit on a defenseless player OB and on the ground for a couple of seconds already. No one is going to listen to his complaining that he "gets held" or otherwise impeded on many plays. He's the top professional at his position in the League and no one is going to let him off the hook...and I doubt very much that Gronk would whine to the League in the first place. If he didn't feel he had something for which to apologize, he wouldn't have apologized in the first place.