Eli Manning: An end of an era....

[raduray]

Watch him be on the Broncos next year.

I think he's under contract through '18 and the current GM and HC are dead men walking. Will be interesting to see what '18 brings.

 

[patchick]

Remember, you can't spell "elite" without "Eli".

That's Elisha, if you please. And you can't spell...err..."relishable" without Elisha.

 

[neali]

This is a brilliant, if heartless, move by Mara. Eli gives the Giants the best chance of winning another game or two. Playing Geno, the Giants could end up with the #2 draft pick when Jimmy wins a couple for SF. Then they trade him to Jacksonville, free up a ton of cap space and maybe get a fifth rounder. Mara manages to deflect all the hatred to Mac, fires him, hires Josh, and starts over.

 

[Deus Irae]

I think he's under contract through '18 and the current GM and HC are dead men walking. Will be interesting to see what '18 brings.

Eli's 36 years old and has been in decline for at least the past two seasons. He's a short term player at this point, no matter which team he's on. The Giants need to find his replacement. Losing these last 5 games will allow them a top 3 pick, and give them a crack at one of the highest rated QBs in the draft. And, with only SF and the Browns ahead of them, it's quite possible that they could be picking with only one QB taken off the board.

 

[Soliel]

They are not getting no coach from here.. no sir

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

I feel bad for the guy. I'm not going to hate him because his team beat us twice in the superbowl because thatd be no different than Brady haters hating Brady for beating them.

In reality though, he isn't very good anymore, if ever.

 

[patfanken]

I can see and understand McDaniels going but am praying that Caserio stays here. Not sure what would be the motivation for Caserio to go would be but maybe starting from scratch and building it up would be. Fingers crossed.

I think Caserio and McDaniels are best friends going back to their college days. I'm not sure who landed with the Pats first, but I'm pretty sure whoever did, helped get the other into the fold.

I think it would make perfect sense for both to go together. They are both good at what they do. So why not step out of BB's shadow and go revive one of the important franchises in the league....for a lot of money. IIRC Caserio interviewed for a GM job last season.

In an ideal world, both Casserio and McDaniels know BB's retirement date, and are comfortable waiting for the Bellichick era to end. I know McDaniels wife likes the area and was never happy with the move to Denver. They also have young kids in school. It's not much, but it's something to hang on to.

 

[SEA_Pat]

No, I think 2 SBs, plus the Manning name, plus the job location will get him in.

And I think it's an interesting debate as to whether or not the 2 SB wins should be enough to bring up an otherwise mediocre career to HOF level.

I think we are undervaluing his career because we are so deeply disappointed that he made those plays - and let's not keep pretending otherwise - and proved that in the crucible of fire, when the great separate themselves from the could'a would'a should'as, he made those plays.

The interesting comparison is to who we all KNOW is a pretender who won a Super Bowl and Eli, so we can differentiate between the two. I speak, of course, of Jump Ball Joe, who sold his soul to the devil for four playoff games in 2012.

They're remarkably similar statistically given that JBJ's played 3/4 of Eli's games. They throw a similar amount with a similar completion percentage, QB rating, game-winning drives... Where they differ is in TDs, interceptions and yards. Eli throws much more of all three of those statistically. He's a high risk/high reward guy, but most importantly, his rewards have tended to come at the most important times. You just can't take that away. Put the ball in his hands with the game on the line, he wins. Jump Ball Joe? Without Mephistopheles, he plays like a wino.

 

[Mountain_Commando]

Anyone with a name like that is just begging me to hate them. I’ll spell it out here.

1. I hate the giants
2. I hate New York
3. I hate anyone named manning
4. I hate new york
5. I hate any man named Elisha

I will echo your sentiments and add a 5th item to the list.

 

[PF_SU]

I think we are undervaluing his career because we are so deeply disappointed that he made those plays - and let's not keep pretending otherwise - and proved that in the crucible of fire, when the great separate themselves from the could'a would'a should'as, he made those plays.

No, they aren't undervaluing his career. It comes down to the question, do two good playoff runs heave what is otherwise a very mediocre career into the HOF? Tony Romo and Philip Rivers have numbers that are way superior to Manning's in the regular season. And it's not like Manning's numbers in the playoffs are eye-popping despite his two SB runs. He's got a completion percentage of 60.5% and a QB rating of 87.4 in 12 playoff games.

 

[Deus Irae]

I think we are undervaluing his career because we are so deeply disappointed that he made those plays - and let's not keep pretending otherwise

I don't agree with you, and I'm not pretending otherwise.

Eli was drafted in 2004, so essentially his entire career has been played with the new (anti-Ty Law) passing rules. Despite that, his career completion percentage is just 59.8% as of now, and his career QB rating is just 83.8. Just starting from there, we can see his HOF credentials, absent his two SB runs, are deficient. Then, you can add the following:

• In 14 NFL seasons, he's only gotten his team to the playoffs 5 times (he won't be making it this year).
• In his 5 playoff runs, he's either won the SB (2) or been one-and-done (3) (nothing wrong with the 2 SB wins, obviously, but being winless outside of that isn't impressive).
• His career interception percentage is just 52nd, despite being in this QB friendly era.
• His career yards per pass completion is just 134th.
• His career yards per pass attempt is just 82nd.
• Career winning percentage of %52.
  
• Realistically, his only impressive stats are the durability related stats. Those aren't bad stats to have, but they reflect time spent, not necessarily time spent as quality.

Or, since you brought up Flacco, to compare:

• Career completion percentage of 61.7%.
• Career QB rating is 83.8.
• 10 seasons, 6 trips to the playoffs, with #7 possible this year.
• In his 6 playoff runs, he's won the SB once, and has never gone one-and-done. He's 10-5 in the playoffs, which compares evenly with Eli's 8-4 record, despite the one fewer SB run.
• His career interception percentage is 16th.
• His career yards per pass completion is just 174th.
• His career yards per pass attempt is just 122nd.
• Career winning percentage of 60% (89-60).

In short, they're pretty much on the same level, though Manning's played longer. I'd give Manning the slight edge right now, if you took away the 3 SB winning runs from the pair of them, but the difference really isn't significant.

 

[drewskie]

If 2 superbowl wins and a mediocre/good regular season career gets you into the HOF, then make way for David Givens and Dion Branch.

Eli Manning was a good but not great QB who was part of a team that made it to 2 superbowls and won. He was NEVER the key factor (other than happening to be playing the QB position) on either of those teams. IMHO, other than the great throw he made to Maningham (who made a great catch) in the 2011 Superbowl, Manning did nothing in either of those 2 superbowl games to distinguish himself as a GREAT player.

Maybe they need to change the name of that Canton Museum into the Hall of Great Individual Stats. Because that is the only way Eli Manning should get into the HOF. BTW- I have always liked Eli a LOT better than his brother. He has had a very good NFL career and was a very good QB. Just not close to being a GREAT one. (sorta like Kurt Warner.)

BTW- its the lack of stats that is going to keep Richard Seymour out of the HOF for a long while. Like a guy like Vince, he played in a defense for his prime years, that didn't ask their DL to create "stats". Despite the fact that Seymour was a dominant DLman at several positions during his prime years with the Pats (2001-7), I think he's going to have to be happy with his 3 rings instead of one Gold Jacket.

Edit: I didn't know about Eli's benching until AFTER I wrote this post.

Agree with almost all your points except with the Warner comparison. He was one of the most accurate QBs of all time, and is historically underrated much like Steve Young IMO. Eli has never been on the MVP level that Warner became after his AFL days. I think a lot of people here are letting their hate of the Rams and Faulk's consistent disrespect of our Patriots get in the way of objective analysis.

 

[TheBostonStraggler]

Eli Manning: An end of an error

07, low score to get by Dallas, to get by GB, fumbling and a heave and a prayer lucky bastard catch to win SB. He was more the Trent Dilfer of that SB team then a superstar.

11, going up against the mighty Patriot D where the Giants had the ball for 40 mins for TOP and he mustered 21.

In either of those runs was there a sustained multi game run where he took the team on his shoulders like a top, 2 time SB winning, QB would? I'll give Eli that he had a handful of excellent crunch time quarters, however, sometimes being lucky is also what's important. Eli blended luck, a handful of clutch playoff quarters, then riding the coattails of an over performing D.

Call it sour grapes -- don't care -- I say good luck, good bye, good riddance.

 

[Wordsmyth]

The sooner both these Manning annoyances are gone, the better.

 

[goheels22002]

I don't agree with you, and I'm not pretending otherwise.

Eli was drafted in 2004, so essentially his entire career has been played with the new (anti-Ty Law) passing rules. Despite that, his career completion percentage is just 59.8% as of now, and his career QB rating is just 83.8. Just starting from there, we can see his HOF credentials, absent his two SB runs, are deficient. Then, you can add the following:

• In 14 NFL seasons, he's only gotten his team to the playoffs 5 times (he won't be making it this year).
• In his 5 playoff runs, he's either won the SB (2) or been one-and-done (3) (nothing wrong with the 2 SB wins, obviously, but being winless outside of that isn't impressive).
• His career interception percentage is just 52nd, despite being in this QB friendly era.
• His career yards per pass completion is just 134th.
• His career yards per pass attempt is just 82nd.
• Career winning percentage of %52.
  
• Realistically, his only impressive stats are the durability related stats. Those aren't bad stats to have, but they reflect time spent, not necessarily time spent as quality.

Or, since you brought up Flacco, to compare:

• Career completion percentage of 61.7%.
• Career QB rating is 83.8.
• 10 seasons, 6 trips to the playoffs, with #7 possible this year.
• In his 6 playoff runs, he's won the SB once, and has never gone one-and-done. He's 10-5 in the playoffs, which compares evenly with Eli's 8-4 record, despite the one fewer SB run.
• His career interception percentage is 16th.
• His career yards per pass completion is just 174th.
• His career yards per pass attempt is just 122nd.
• Career winning percentage of 60% (89-60).

In short, they're pretty much on the same level, though Manning's played longer. I'd give Manning the slight edge right now, if you took away the 3 SB winning runs from the pair of them, but the difference really isn't significant.

Good work, DI. Flacco and Eli Manning were (emphasis on were) QBs who could get a team where they needed to go when supported by elite defenses and protected by good lines. Until the last couple of years, both could make all the throws, but neither ever had the processing speed to adjust to a defense nor the ability to extend plays to give their receivers time to get into secondary routes like Roethlisberger, Rodgers, Favre, or Brady. Neither Flacco nor Eli could look over a defense and make adjustments like Peyton Manning or Brady.

Both had success in their SB years because of complete teams built by excellent GMs and superior coaching. Harbaugh and Coughlin know what they are doing, and I have utmost admiration for Ozzie Newsome with the Ravens, and Ernie Accorsi who put in place the foundations of those 2007 and 2011 NYG teams. Frankly, Jerry Reese appears to be the main culprit in the Giants decline over the past seven years.

Jump Ball Joe Flacco's default was to heave it down the sideline and hope for the best. He's lost his ability to even throw the ball down the field at this point and is the next one of these guys to go. Analysis | Verdict is in: Joe Flacco is not elite. And it’s time for Ravens to move on.

 

[Soul_Survivor88]

110 wins
4300 completions
50k yards
334 TDs
2 SB MVPs
****bag Qb rating.
last name of Manning
NY Giants

Hes a lock.

Can't spell Eli without interceptions

.... seriously though, he has A LOT of interceptions

 

[luuked]

I think we are undervaluing his career because we are so deeply disappointed that he made those plays - and let's not keep pretending otherwise - and proved that in the crucible of fire, when the great separate themselves from the could'a would'a should'as, he made those plays.

The interesting comparison is to who we all KNOW is a pretender who won a Super Bowl and Eli, so we can differentiate between the two. I speak, of course, of Jump Ball Joe, who sold his soul to the devil for four playoff games in 2012.

They're remarkably similar statistically given that JBJ's played 3/4 of Eli's games. They throw a similar amount with a similar completion percentage, QB rating, game-winning drives... Where they differ is in TDs, interceptions and yards. Eli throws much more of all three of those statistically. He's a high risk/high reward guy, but most importantly, his rewards have tended to come at the most important times. You just can't take that away. Put the ball in his hands with the game on the line, he wins. Jump Ball Joe? Without Mephistopheles, he plays like a wino.

If his name wasnt Manning he wouldnt even be in the consideration to be a HoF some day and his contributions to those two SB would be more reasonably discussed. He didnt dominate any of the SBs and was one dropped INT and a dropped pass to Welker away from being 0:2 in those.

What it boils down to is that for his entire career he is has been a very mediocre NFL QB at best.

 

[Soul_Survivor88]

Anyone with a name like that is just begging me to hate them. I’ll spell it out here.

1. I hate the giants
2. I hate New York
3. I hate anyone named manning
4. I hate new york

YUP!

Eli Manning is the definition of glorified mediocrity. I give him props for beating us, but I don't think he's a HOFer

 

[Tony2046]

Or "bile."

Or pILE of ****..

 

[chris_in_sunnyvale]

Pats fans in 2017: "Eli Manning got benched for Geno Smith? Hahahahahahaha!"

Hall of Fame selection committee in 2023: "Eli Manning got benched for Geno Smith? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!"

Regards,
Chris