JG trade story: Patriots tried

[Observer]

If Jimmy demanded to play then it’s a no brainer. They could have probably got a better deal if they did the trade before the season though but they probably wanted to see if Brady was still good or something

 

[Ross12]

Nobody knows how good JG is going to be or how long he is going to play. He had a very good game and a half. That's it. We don't know how he would be in a playoff game. We don't know how he would be in a SB down 14 points with 10 minutes left in the game. We only know how good he would be in the first game of a season.

Yes BB had a choice and he made it and it was Brady.

I hope JG has a HOF career but I would have hated it if they had cut Brady's historic career short especially when he is still playing like Brady.

I like your take. As much as I liked the potential of Garoppolo, it just wouldn’t be right to cut the GOAT’s career short. He should be allowed to keep playing here as long as he thinks he can still be Tom Brady. I want every minute of his career he’s willing to give. And I have faith that as soon as he feels his ability deteriorating at all, he will hang them up.

 

[Kdo5]

That's just silly. We have no idea what JG could become. he could be a JAG or the next GOAT. Even if you could guarantee me the next three SuperBowls I would still rather have a top 5 QB for ten year who keeps us in the mix. I am in no hurry to become the Dolphins again.

You would pass up 3 more Super Bowls under Brady for that? You are crazy.

 

[everlong]

Much like Collins I get the move it's just the timing and the value. They weren't getting SF's first but if it was the 2nd and something conditional based upon his performance or extending with the SF I would get it a lot more. The other thing that's apparent is his value last year before the draft was way overstated.

 

[PatsDeb]

If this is true (and it seems like it is) then the Pats really screwed up by not getting the best offer they could have this spring. It sounds like they could have gotten a 1st and more from Cleveland, and maybe even their current trading partner. They should have traded Jimmy G. to the highest bidder and kept Brissette (next to Duane Allen I think Dorset qualifies as most invisible man). Good God, Brian Hoyer as the back up at this point? Oy.

 

[PatsDeb]

Much like Collins I get the move it's just the timing and the value. They weren't getting SF's first but if it was the 2nd and something conditional based upon his performance or extending with the SF I would get it a lot more. The other thing that's apparent is his value last year before the draft was way overstated.

Was it though? They are saying on the radio that the Pats told teams they weren't interested in trading Jimmy G. this spring and never tried hard to get any serious offers. Sigh.

 

[BTTA]

I respect Garoppolo for this. I would have lost all respect for him if he volunteered to hold a clipboard for another couple of years. Good for him for believing in his abilities.

Well, that's the thing. Garoppolo is going to chart his own life. It sounds like (and everything we've heard at this point is supposition) that he wanted to play ball. Good for him. He also could have chosen to wait until next year to play ball. Doesn't seem like a big deal. Or, he could have decided that the nearly inevitable long term concussions and joint problems weren't worth it, and becoming a multi millionaire without that long term damage was a fine life to live, too. I'm not going to put any energy into weighing his decisions; he certainly couldn't care less about mine.

If the rumors are true, the Pats could have had the 13th pick in the draft and more ....

These rumors are just torture devices to us fans. Guaranteed self-infliction of pain without anything good possibly coming of it.

 

[Nehalem]

Tom Brady, on the other hand, has won 2 SBs just in the last two seasons. That's as many as any other current QB (Eli, Roethlisberger) for their entire careers to date, one more than the next best current QB (Aaron Rodgers) has in his entire career to date, and as many as Peyton won in his entire career.

JG has 2 rings too

 

[Bill Lee]

If Jimmy demanded to play then it’s a no brainer. They could have probably got a better deal if they did the trade before the season though but they probably wanted to see if Brady was still good or something

Every time I saw Brisette on the TV playing QB for IND I thought JG must be mad that JB is playing and he is not. I felt there was no way he'd be sticking around waiting for TB12 to retire.

If this is true (and it seems like it is) then the Pats really screwed up by not getting the best offer they could have this spring.

It's not true, it's just a sports talk narrative. No one on the inside ever confirmed such an offer was on the table. What we do have these days is:

 

[Gronk]

Probably should have kept Brissett if this was the plan. He’d have been a cheap backup for next two and a half seasons.

Yeah, as much as I’m fully behind TB for however long he can do it and like getting a high 2 for Jimmy, trading Jacoby makes a lot less sense now. Having him would make drafting a QB next spring an option as opposed to a near necessity.

 

[Bill Lee]

Was it though? They are saying on the radio that the Pats told teams they weren't interested in trading Jimmy G. this spring and never tried hard to get any serious offers. Sigh.

Both could be true.

Last spring they weren't interested in trading him. They were hoping to talk him into a succession plan. They found having him as insurance for both (a) Brady getting injured and (b) Brady falling off in skill level was something worth having for the first half of 2018.

Now they know that JG would not go along with being TB12's backup going forward, and could not make him do so without using the franchise tag which would be a no-win scenario, and of course TB12 is having another MVP level season.

They are sending JG to SF which is in the NFCW division so it's about as far away as they could send him. Good for JG too: SF has plenty of cap room and he's about to get a Brock Ostweiler contract at least.

Personally it all makes sense to me. What doesn't make sense to me is a bunch of never-have-been mediots pounding their chest and saying all the things that BB should have done.

 

[long distance]

Nobody knows how good JG is going to be or how long he is going to play. He had a very good game and a half. That's it. We don't know how he would be in a playoff game. We don't know how he would be in a SB down 14 points with 10 minutes left in the game. We only know how good he would be in the first game of a season.

Yes BB had a choice and he made it and it was Brady.

I hope JG has a HOF career but I would have hated it if they had cut Brady's historic career short especially when he is still playing like Brady.

Dear Tony,
you know how much I respect your contribtions and your posture on this board. I am a little surprised about what seems like simplicity and shortsightedness of this post.

Of course nobody “knows“ about anything of the future of JG like nobody knows about the future of TB or anything else in this life.

As you know well its never an A B choice and in this case especially. Lombardi uses a nice name for it: false duality.

For anyone who cared listening to people who actually have some knowledge of/or worked with BB, Pats, FO . Patriots believed they have their next QB in Jimmy (quality wise). And as you well know this is not a small thing in this league not even for master BB. Letting what you believe could be the future of your franchise (unforeseeable in the sense how exactly it will go or for how long of course but with knowledge and experience of what you have) is not an easy or a simple matter.

Saying they chose Brady over Jimmy is too simple. Yes, the end result is Brady stays, Jimmy goes. But there was never a question (I suppose and believe so) of parting ways with Brady until he can perform and wants to. So there was never this choice, the “Brady or Jimmy“ choice. The only choice was about Jimmy. They choose to try to keep Jimmy. But at the end it was not their choice. Jimmy was the one who was choosing. He chose what most who have firm believe in themselves would. They let him go.

People will argue they could keep him on a tag if they really wanted to. I don't see BB as a man holding on to players against their will. Many people see BB as cold hearted businessman doing everything for winning and “what's best for the team“. I see him as a man with biggest football heart who also does what is right. Letting Jimmy go in this situation was the right thing to do.

I believe yesterday was not a good day for BB, Patriots and front office. They all invested a lot in Jimmy, were happy with what they groomed and finally they had to let go. It shouldn't be a good day for Pats fans. Greater uncertainty about the future enters. Finding and grooming another quality QB let alone good pocket QB is not easy. It was not an easy decision to make . not easy to take.

On to Denver, I guess.. (sigh)

 

[everlong]

Was it though? They are saying on the radio that the Pats told teams they weren't interested in trading Jimmy G. this spring and never tried hard to get any serious offers. Sigh.

Which begs the question of franchising him and trading him before the draft or getting additional conditional picks.

 

[TeamFirst]

I personally would have liked to see more of JG, but not at the expense of not having Brady.

Can't blame him for wanting to start, expecially after seeing Brissett start before him.

 

[patsinthesnow]

 

[Drewwho]

JG is NOT NOW or EVER a future HOFer. Not with the Pats or any team for that matter. He is AVERAGE, middle of the road 8-8, 9-7 starter in the NFL!

My Prediction: He'll be in and out of the line up with injuries most of his career and his 'people' and his fan base will blame it on bad coaching, bad franchise decisions and injuries in why he never materialized to be The One.

Fact is Brady took over a bad 5-11 Patriots team on 9/23/2001 and since that moment BB has been labeled a genius - BB, great coach, but without Brady he might not be a head coach today. Brady has made MANY men rich in this business including; Weiss, Romeo, Givens, Branch, McDaniels, Welker and of course Belichick and Kraft (the list goes on and on and on...). Now you can add Jimmy G to the rich list. He will get a huge pay day as the 49ers starter but he'll be doing NCAAF color by the age of 35 on ESPN 2 (if ESPN still exists)!

 

[XLIX]

Anyone who thought Garoppolo was going to take a reasonable deal to sit yet another year were really delusional. All during the off-season, I heard people say that if the Pats gave him ok starter money, he would stay and sit another year because the situation is so good. It never made any sense. Any QB worth their salt wants to play. I think Garoppolo would have welcomed a trade to the Browns this offseason rather than sitting another year or two.

Amen. It completely baffled me how so many people thought...

1) Garoppolo would take less money than he was worth to stay here
2) Garoppolo would be happy to carry a clipboard another couple seasons
3) Brady was just lying to us all when he stated time and time and time and time again how he wanted to keep playing several more years, and....
4) The Patriots would franchise Garoppolo because, you know, he's only making $1 million this year so, you know, if you franchise him that's like giving him a 2 year, $26 million deal and, you know, that's not a bad deal

 

[Patriot Missile]

I prefer to focus on the present. We have Brady and that's all that matters right now.

If BB thought JG was going to be a hof he would not have traded him. Period. It would be Brady packing for picks.

Lot of QBs have got rich with small samples to show. Matt Flynn, Rob Johnson etc. JG has still got to prove it in another uniform.

 

[Ring 6]

Was it though? They are saying on the radio that the Pats told teams they weren't interested in trading Jimmy G. this spring and never tried hard to get any serious offers. Sigh.

Bolded words should clear up the confusion.

 

[Ring 6]

Amen. It completely baffled me how so many people thought...

1) Garoppolo would take less money than he was worth to stay here
2) Garoppolo would be happy to carry a clipboard another couple seasons
3) Brady was just lying to us all when he stated time and time and time and time again how he wanted to keep playing several more years, and....
4) The Patriots would franchise Garoppolo because, you know, he's only making $1 million this year so, you know, if you franchise him that's like giving him a 2 year, $26 million deal and, you know, that's not a bad deal

It was a baffling summer while people put forth those crazy ideas as if those not believing them were crazy.