JG trade story: Patriots tried

[long distance]

So many threads on Jimmy vs Brady. In the end: Pats wanted both. Couldn't.

After they looked like the only NFL team with present+insurance and possibly future QB situation looked after . now they find themselves in a position of most NFL teams: searching from scratch for their QB of the future.

It was not about Jimmy being just another QB backup. It was not about Pats not paying. It was simply about Jimmy wanting to play..
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Here an inside story by Breer:

In the end, Jimmy Garoppolo wanted to be a starter, and the Patriots—having failed to make him happy—finally relented. Inside the shock trade at the deadline that sends Tom Brady’s backup to San Francisco to become Kyle Shanahan’s main man:

Jimmy Garoppolo Trade: Insider Patriots-49ers Deal
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quote:

They were willing to pay to make it happen. They were willing to wait on him to close the deal.
But late on Monday night, the Patriots finally gave up hope, because they couldn’t give Jimmy Garoppolo what he really wanted: playing time.
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As I understand it, the Patriots put potential solutions in front of Garoppolo in the spring and summer to try to extend their window to pass him the torch that Tom Brady has carried for the last 17 seasons. It would have cost them a lot, but they were willing to carry two starting quarterback contracts on their books to do it. Garoppolo, however, made it clear he that want to be a starter, not just a guy paid like one.

 

[bormio]

So many threads on Jimmy vs Brady. In the end: Pats wanted both. Couldn't.

After they looked like the only NFL team with present+insurance and future QB situation looked after . now they find themselves in a position of most NFL teams: searching from scratch for their QB of the future.

It was not about father time. It was not about Jimmy being just another QB backup. It was not about Pats not paying. It was simply about Jimmy wanting to play..
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Here an inside story by Breer:

In the end, Jimmy Garoppolo wanted to be a starter, and the Patriots—having failed to make him happy—finally relented. Inside the shock trade at the deadline that sends Tom Brady’s backup to San Francisco to become Kyle Shanahan’s main man:

Jimmy Garoppolo Trade: Insider Patriots-49ers Deal
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quote:

They were willing to pay to make it happen. They were willing to wait on him to close the deal.
But late on Monday night, the Patriots finally gave up hope, because they couldn’t give Jimmy Garoppolo what he really wanted: playing time.

He had waited long enough. Players inferior to him and younger than him were getting their shot - even Brissett. No problem with him wanting to play.

 

[lancerman]

They picked Brady over Jimmy. There. Now we know what they really thought. As good as they thought he was, they valued short term Brady over longterm Jimmy.

 

[Love The Drake]

Could you imagine the backlash if they traded Brady they never had a choice.

 

[bormio]

They picked Brady over Jimmy. There. Now we know what they really thought. As good as they thought he was, they valued short term Brady over longterm Jimmy.

That is not a knock on Jimmy. Brady is the best who ever played and is still bringing it. Aaron Rodgers would not have displaced Brady.

 

[dafoe2016]

So many threads on Jimmy vs Brady. In the end: Pats wanted both. Couldn't.

After they looked like the only NFL team with present+insurance and possibly future QB situation looked after . now they find themselves in a position of most NFL teams: searching from scratch for their QB of the future.

It was not about Jimmy being just another QB backup. It was not about Pats not paying. It was simply about Jimmy wanting to play..
__

Here an inside story by Breer:

In the end, Jimmy Garoppolo wanted to be a starter, and the Patriots—having failed to make him happy—finally relented. Inside the shock trade at the deadline that sends Tom Brady’s backup to San Francisco to become Kyle Shanahan’s main man:

Jimmy Garoppolo Trade: Insider Patriots-49ers Deal
___


quote:

They were willing to pay to make it happen. They were willing to wait on him to close the deal.
But late on Monday night, the Patriots finally gave up hope, because they couldn’t give Jimmy Garoppolo what he really wanted: playing time.

They could have given him what he wanted. They could have cut or traded Brady
at he end of the year. Odds are, he doesn't have more than 2-3 more good years left. It's not unreasonable, if you honestly believe that JAG can be a top ten QB in the league for the next 10 years, to keep him instead of a 40 year old player who will be 41 years old when next season rolls around.

Granted, this is the greatest QB of all time, but when has Bill ever kept an older player in favor of a young talented player? This goes against everything we know about the way he operates. Maybe he's just not that high on JG. He traded a few years (at best) of a GOAT for 10 years of a QB who has a chance to be very good. Bill played it safe. I have zero issue with this. But let's not pretend that he had no choice. He did.

 

[lancerman]

That is not a knock on Jimmy. Brady is the best who ever played and is still bringing it. Aaron Rodgers would not have displaced Brady.

Jimmy could be a really good franchise QB, and he might still only be 50% of what Brady was.

I'm sorry but you don't get rid of a guy who has been in 11 AFCCG's out of 16 (really 15 when you count the 08 injury) seasons. Who never had a losing season. Who has more Super Bowls than any QB ever. 2 years of that is greater potential than 15 years of Jimmy. I'm sorry.

 

[dafoe2016]

That is not a knock on Jimmy. Brady is the best who ever played and is still bringing it. Aaron Rodgers would not have displaced Brady.

But they aren't equal. Yes, Brady is much better than JG is and probably ever will be. But JG will play for another 10-15 years. Brady almost certainly has less than 5 years. It's not a black and white choice.

 

[Kdo5]

If this is true then I don't see why people should be complaining. JG wanted to be the starter and he wasn't going to be for at least 2-3 years. It was simply a choice of Brady or Garropolo. And obviously you take the GOAT who is still at the top of his game.

It helps answer the question of why not before the season.

 

[bormio]

But they aren't equal. Yes, Brady is much better than JG is and probably ever will be. But JG will play for another 10-15 years. Brady almost certainly has less than 5 years. It's not a black and white choice.

No guarantee that Jimmy was going to be great. But they make other QBs - you have to go find one. As long as Brady was playing better, JG was not going to see the field. And he wanted to play now.

 

[skinnydog]

They could have given him what he wanted. They could have cut or traded Brady
at he end of the year. Odds are, he doesn't have more than 2-3 more good years left. It's not unreasonable, if you honestly believe that JAG can be a top ten QB in the league for the next 10 years, to keep him instead of a 40 year old player who will be 41 years old when next season rolls around.

Granted, this is the greatest QB of all time, but when has Bill ever kept an older player in favor of a young talented player? This goes against everything we know about the way he operates. Maybe he's just not that high on JG. He traded a few years (at best) of a GOAT for 10 years of a QB who has a chance to be very good. Bill played it safe. I have zero issue with this. But let's not pretend that he had no choice. He did.

The thing is there has never been a player like Brady.

 

[bormio]

So many good things in life don’t happen for one reason - bad timing.

 

[skinnydog]

If this is true then I don't see why people should be complaining. JG wanted to be the starter and he wasn't going to be for at least 2-3 years. It was simply a choice of Brady or Garropolo. And obviously you take the GOAT who is still at the top of his game.

It helps answer the question of why not before the season.

Yes, and if JG did not have a burning desire to start now I would not want him anyway. The timing just. Did. Not. Work.

 

[lancerman]

But they aren't equal. Yes, Brady is much better than JG is and probably ever will be. But JG will play for another 10-15 years. Brady almost certainly has less than 5 years. It's not a black and white choice.

Statistically every quality year you have of Brady yields a 73% chance of making the AFCCG, a 46% chance of making the Super Bowl, and a 33% chance of winning the Super Bowl.

Just to give you a comparison the next best as far as going to Super Bowls and AFCCG's is John Elway. That's an AFCCG appearance 37% of the time and a Super Bowl appearance 31% of the time. That's the SECOND best combination of Conference title games and Super Bowl appearances.

Quite frankly 2-3 years of Brady is worth more than 99% of the QB's that played as a starter in this league.

It is kind of black and white. Do you expect Jimmy to turn into Tom Brady? Do you expect him to be John Elway or Joe Montana? If not realistically you ride the odds with Brady for 5 or less years than you do with Jimmy. It's that simple. Especially when you consider that Jimmy's been in the league 4 years already and he's going to a team that won't have a prayer of making a super bowl for atleast 3-4 more. So you are talking about Jimmy not even making a Super Bowl until his 7th or 8th year in the league right now. If he is good enough to ever do it.

 

[Tony2046]

But they aren't equal. Yes, Brady is much better than JG is and probably ever will be. But JG will play for another 10-15 years. Brady almost certainly has less than 5 years. It's not a black and white choice.

Nobody knows how good JG is going to be or how long he is going to play. He had a very good game and a half. That's it. We don't know how he would be in a playoff game. We don't know how he would be in a SB down 14 points with 10 minutes left in the game. We only know how good he would be in the first game of a season.

Yes BB had a choice and he made it and it was Brady.

I hope JG has a HOF career but I would have hated it if they had cut Brady's historic career short especially when he is still playing like Brady.

 

[SammyBlueCat]

No guarantee that Jimmy was going to be great. But they make other QBs - you have to go find one. As long as Brady was playing better, JG was not going to see the field. And he wanted to play now.

Nobody knows how good JG is going to be or how long he is going to play. He had a very good game and a half. That's it. We don't know how he would be in a playoff game. We don't know how he would be in a SB down 14 points with 10 minutes left in the game. We only know how good he would be in the first game of a season.

Yes BB had a choice and he made it and it was Brady.

I hope JG has a HOF career but I would have hated it if they had cut Brady's historic career short especially when he is still playing like Brady.

We love Jimmy but his true ability is still unknown.

 

[Deus Irae]

They could have given him what he wanted. They could have cut or traded Brady
at he end of the year. Odds are, he doesn't have more than 2-3 more good years left. It's not unreasonable, if you honestly believe that JAG can be a top ten QB in the league for the next 10 years, to keep him instead of a 40 year old player who will be 41 years old when next season rolls around.

Granted, this is the greatest QB of all time, but when has Bill ever kept an older player in favor of a young talented player? This goes against everything we know about the way he operates. Maybe he's just not that high on JG. He traded a few years (at best) of a GOAT for 10 years of a QB who has a chance to be very good. Bill played it safe. I have zero issue with this. But let's not pretend that he had no choice. He did.

Phillip Rivers has been a top 10 QB for most of his career.

How many SB titles has he won?


Tony Romo was often touted as a top 5 QB.

How many Lombardis did he bring home for the Cowboys?


Andrew Luck was the next sure thing. He'll be 29 next season, and is having problems recovering from a shoulder injury.

How many SB rings has he garnered?


Tom Brady, on the other hand, has won 2 SBs just in the last two seasons. That's as many as any other current QB (Eli, Roethlisberger) for their entire careers to date, one more than the next best current QB (Aaron Rodgers) has in his entire career to date, and as many as Peyton won in his entire career.

 

[nabwong]

But they aren't equal. Yes, Brady is much better than JG is and probably ever will be. But JG will play for another 10-15 years. Brady almost certainly has less than 5 years. It's not a black and white choice.

10-15 years? Jimmy can’t even play 2 full games.

 

[TB_Helmet]

But they aren't equal. Yes, Brady is much better than JG is and probably ever will be. But JG will play for another 10-15 years. Brady almost certainly has less than 5 years. It's not a black and white choice.

Belichick might not care too much about those 10-15 years though. Let's say Brady goes for 2-3 more. How much longer does Belichick stay after that? Certainly not another 12. So the opportunity cost of keeping Brady is a lot less for him personally.

 

[captain stone]

...Here an inside story by Breer...

Sorry, but this is where I stopped reading.