This is so true...NBA vs NFL

[thecore762]

I marked it at minute 34:45 and really good segment, its about 5 minutes long and I thought it was great!

Just shows how much wrong there is with the NFL, how protective they are about their footage being reused on social media (replays) and other things.

Of course the NBA commish > NFL commish.

I've never been a fan of Jalen Rose, but he brings up very good points.

 

[Bill Lee]

Yes, a simliar dialog was happening on the previous BS podcast ( Friday Rollin’: The Patriots Loss and Kareem Hunt’s Big Opening Game ) around 43:00.

The Ringer is seeing the NBA surge past the NFL in terms of what people visit its site for.

The NBA is very social media friendly. You've got so many more games, players whose faces you get to see, and players who 'get it' when it comes to social media. The culture in the NFL is the opposite -- they view players saying things as giving away 'bulletin board material' to their opponents.

To a non-NFL fan, the predominant use of social media in the NFL seems to be about who is getting punished by the league and why. That's on Fraudell. He chose to make discipline his thing. Fraudell chose to generate months of drama over how much air was in a ball rather than nipping it in the bud. Now the owners have renewed his contract till 2024 so there's no reason to expect a change.

The NFL focuses on team culture rather than individualism like the NBA does. To me it makes the NFL an interesting sport, but in the highly visual short attention span world of social media it is not the way to go.

 

[ForThoseAboutToRock]

The Ringer is seeing the NBA surge past the NFL in terms of what people visit its site for.

I thought this bit was very interesting as an actual piece of hard evidence. The Ringer I find to be a little over the top with a lot of things - their tone tends to be "everything is an amazing, massive and huge deal, and I've got a killer opinion about it." I get it, they're new and selling clicks, catering to an audience who doesn't perfectly overlap with me - no problem.

Still, Part of that was last year where BS was going on and on about how INCREDIBLE the average NBA regular season game was - OMG did you catch last night's Nuggets / Bucks game?! How amazing to see Giannis and Jokic! Yet, when the playoffs rolled around, they were incredibly stagnant... given that, was the regular season all that special or unusual?

 

[Bill Lee]

I thought this bit was very interesting as an actual piece of hard evidence. The Ringer I find to be a little over the top with a lot of things - their tone tends to be "everything is an amazing, massive and huge deal, and I've got a killer opinion about it." I get it, they're new and selling clicks, catering to an audience who doesn't perfectly overlap with me - no problem.

In other words, The Ringer is part of the current culture. It's largely driven by millennials who grew up with smart phones in their hands, so it's highly visual and loaded with exaggerations for effect, whose effect goes to nil very quickly because everyone else is always exaggerating for effect. Who knows, maybe subtlety will make a comeback some day...

As a person born at the tail end of the baby boom, my parents anguished over me watching too much TV, but I still had my own TV at an early age. These days parents anguish over their kids being online all the time, but they still buy them phones/tablets/laptops at an early age. The more things change, the more they stay the same...

Still, Part of that was last year where BS was going on and on about how INCREDIBLE the average NBA regular season game was - OMG did you catch last night's Nuggets / Bucks game?! How amazing to see Giannis and Jokic! Yet, when the playoffs rolled around, they were incredibly stagnant... given that, was the regular season all that special or unusual?

The common thread is that there's a whole lot of exaggeration going on out there...

 

[primetime]

NBPA is much stronger than the NFLPA, too, which helps a lot. The NFLPA has been signing over rights for years and is finally getting punished for it.

 

[ForThoseAboutToRock]

In other words, The Ringer is part of the current culture. It's largely driven by millennials who grew up with smart phones in their hands, so it's highly visual and loaded with exaggerations for effect, whose effect goes to nil very quickly because everyone else is always exaggerating for effect. Who knows, maybe subtlety will make a comeback some day...

Yeah I get that, totally. There've been pretty significant societal changes derived from the change in media consumption due to the onset of the internet and smartphones. There's a massive overproduction of content produced on a daily basis that can be consumed incredibly quickly.

Even the clearest thinking and best writing can be hard to detect due to the signal to noise ratio out there, and even if it catches on, it's impact ends up disproportionately small as compared to something similar from a generation ago because people move on to consuming the next piece of media so quickly.

Easy to say it's just a millennial thing, but I think it's more accurate that nearly everyone's media consumption habits have changed substantially with the technology.

The common thread is that there's a whole lot of exaggeration going on out there...

Looping back closer to on topic - I was surprised to hear the stat about the Ringer's NBA traffic outweighing that of the NFL. The comparison between the two leagues bears watching. I'm particularly interested to see whether last year's poor early season NFL ratings are repeated this year, when we're not in the midst of the media storm that the last election was. I'd love to know if anyone here has looked at those numbers for week 1.

 

[Bill Lee]

Easy to say it's just a millennial thing, but I think it's more accurate that nearly everyone's media consumption habits have changed substantially with the technology.

Yes, but those who grew up in the pre-online era at least know what it was like to live in the pre-online era. I feel there's lots of subject matter I took up by reading books that my parents had around or via trips to the library, because there was nothing else to do. If I had this little device in my hands that shoved popular culture stuff down my throat 24x7, I'd probably be a very different (and shallower) person.

Of course, my parents said the same thing about TV rotting my brain, at least radio made you use your imagination, yadda yadda, so who knows...

Looping back closer to on topic - I was surprised to hear the stat about the Ringer's NBA traffic outweighing that of the NFL. The comparison between the two leagues bears watching. I'm particularly interested to see whether last year's poor early season NFL ratings are repeated this year, when we're not in the midst of the media storm that the last election was. I'd love to know if anyone here has looked at those numbers for week 1.

Yep, I'd be interested in that info too.

I kept the NFL faith throughout the entire offseason. This week I'm just not getting through the 15 primarily-NFL sports oriented podcasts that my app presents to me each morning and evening commute. Of course a lot of that could be the after-effect of the Thursday night drubbing, but some of it feels like I'm getting burned out by the Goodell-era NFL.

 

[lufc]

In one breath simmons will tell you how brilliant middle of the road nba teams are to watch, great young talent etc, then he'll lambast the equivalent nfl games as unwatchable. He prefers basketball, which is fine but his opinion isn't unbiased. As for the ringer, the website very much preaches nba over nfl, so I'm not shocked nfl fans might look elsewhere.

 

[ForThoseAboutToRock]

I kept the NFL faith throughout the entire offseason. This week I'm just not getting through the 15 primarily-NFL sports oriented podcasts that my app presents to me each morning and evening commute. Of course a lot of that could be the after-effect of the Thursday night drubbing, but some of it feels like I'm getting burned out by the Goodell-era NFL.

Anecdotally, I've had almost this exact experience. Not sure if it was the Chiefs letdown for me, or what - been following NFL all offseason, coming here regularly, etc. Yet Sunday rolled around and it barely registered with me that there were NFL games to watch if I cared to. I wound up watching probably 45-60 min total of the Packers/Seahawks, Cowboys/Giants, and Denver/LAC games.

 

[ForThoseAboutToRock]

In one breath simmons will tell you how brilliant middle of the road nba teams are to watch, great young talent etc, then he'll lambast the equivalent nfl games as unwatchable. He prefers basketball, which is fine but his opinion isn't unbiased. As for the ringer, the website very much preaches nba over nfl, so I'm not shocked nfl fans might look elsewhere.

I agree with the first part of what you said, but I have enjoyed most of their NFL stuff this year. 2 podcasts dedicated to the NFL + the BS podcast itself. I'm fine with the quality of their NFL coverage. If they want to chase NBA clicks, that's fine with me as long as the NFL quality doesn't drop off.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

NBPA is much stronger than the NFLPA, too, which helps a lot. The NFLPA has been signing over rights for years and is finally getting punished for it.

To be fair, part of their problem is structural: the NFL has a hard salary cap and something like four times as many players per team.

 

[lufc]

I agree with the first part of what you said, but I have enjoyed most of their NFL stuff this year. 2 podcasts dedicated to the NFL + the BS podcast itself. I'm fine with the quality of their NFL coverage. If they want to chase NBA clicks, that's fine with me as long as the NFL quality doesn't drop off.

I agree mays, clark and lombardi are good but I just can't be bothered with the concussions, domestic violence and kaepernick stuff. I know a lot of people don't agree but I just want to know about the teams and the games. The ringer seems to me to want to pile on the nfl whenever possible and god knows the nfl gives them plenty of ammo.

 

[primetime]

To be fair, part of their problem is structural: the NFL has a hard salary cap and something like four times as many players per team.

Hard salary cap is a labor issue. The additional players per team are a structural thing, though, but the amount of profit the owners rake in is disgusting. The NBPA at least allows labor to capture a significantly higher proportion of revenue.

 

[Bill Lee]

I agree mays, clark and lombardi are good but I just can't be bothered with the concussions, domestic violence and kaepernick stuff. I know a lot of people don't agree but I just want to know about the teams and the games. The ringer seems to me to want to pile on the nfl whenever possible and god knows the nfl gives them plenty of ammo.

Similar thoughts on Breer's podcast, who seems to need to reissue his stance on Kaep every podcast, but these guys all say that if they aren't part of those conversations they become irrelevant.

Also, again, a lot of this is Roger's doing. If he just fell back on the old standard of "we'll address it after the legal system does" and treated equipment violations like equipment violations, the buzz around the league would be very different.

 

[archstanton543]

So's this:

 

[captain stone]

...Of course the NBA commish > NFL commish...

A pox on both their houses.

The NBA: where the inmates run the asylum, and where there are different rules for different players….and those aren't even the worst of their problems.

 

[Jackson 2]

A pox on both their houses.

The NBA: where the inmates run the asylum, and where there are different rules for different players….and those aren't even the worst of their problems.

And there are different rules for different players even more so in the NFL. Brady vs anyone else, Josh Brown vs Elliott and others, the Patriots vs teams that f###### around with football PSI. I'll cite another major difference: Adam Silver's ethics are head and shoulders above Goodell the Dope's and the NBAPA and the owners respect one another and work together. The NFLPA despises the Dope and the owners. There's no comparison. None.

 

[BradyFTW!]

It's always been a huge bummer that by far the most entertaining sport to watch is saddled with by far the ****tiest league office. I wish I enjoyed watching basketball as much as I enjoyed watching football, because everything about the NBA except the game itself feels better to support and more forward-looking and sustainable.

The NFL, conversely, seems to be actively trying to antagonize the fans and sabotage its product, and continues to succeed for no other reason than how much America loves the sport. They spend their days trying to butcher the golden goose, to the point that you almost hope they succeed if only to marvel at the fact that they managed to ****ing do it.

 

[BradyFTW!]

I agree mays, clark and lombardi are good but I just can't be bothered with the concussions, domestic violence and kaepernick stuff. I know a lot of people don't agree but I just want to know about the teams and the games. The ringer seems to me to want to pile on the nfl whenever possible and god knows the nfl gives them plenty of ammo.

I agree on one hand. The domestic violence cluster**** is the other shoe dropping on the league: when you demand the kind of authority it now has, you become responsible for wielding that authority, and when you wield it in stupid and callous ways you're accountable for that. So no sympathy to the league for its current predicament, but I don't see the point in relitigating it every time some entitled, piece of ****, roided up moron beats his girlfriend. We're just covering the same old territory, and concluding yet again that the NFL is disproportionately comprised of ****ty, violent people, and that the league doesn't actually care for anything beyond PR purposes. We get it. It's a violent sport played by violent people

Likewise, I'm thoroughly over the Kaepernick stuff. There are legitimate football reasons not to want the guy as your backup. I respect Kaep's decision to take a moral stand that he felt compelled to take, and I like that it's spread across the league since I like politically active athletes, but I don't need to hear how he's better than the alternative every time some JAG QB sucks, because that's an overly simplistic analysis that I'm not convinced is actually true. Kaepernick is a ****ty quarterback who requires an offense to be built around his few strengths, and nobody's going to waste their time building offenses around ****ty players. It's the same roadblock that Tim Tebow ran into, and now they're both out of the league, and there's nothing wrong with that.

I disagree re: the concussion stuff, though. That's a huge issue that's literally killing these guys, and there's still too much that we don't know about the specifics of it: how far back does the brain damage go? How many years is it 'safe' to play? Etc. I can do without the other stuff, but I don't know how we can just hand-wave that away. It's a sobering realization and it's made football a lot less enjoyable to watch; I feel guilty for even enjoying it now. But ignoring that is no solution, and I think awareness is huge, at least in that it makes sure younger folks are educated on the risks they're taking before they start playing.

 

[captain stone]

Claiming that Adam Silver's "ethics" are head & shoulders above Stokoe's isn't exactly setting the bar very high.