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Did Edelman's blocking win us the Super Bowl?

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How important was Edelman's blocking in SBLI? More precisely, if Edelman's blocks were average quality for a receiver, would we have still won?

@bormio listed four key blocks in another post:
  1. Overtime touchdown by White. Edelman crackback block on Brian Poole #34, knocking him over. Without that block Poole would have had a good shot at White.

  2. Initially blocks Robert Alford #23, and also blocks safety Ricardo Allen #23 at the same time. Of course, Hogan here was blocking Jalen Collins 32. Since Amendola barely made it over, there is a good chance the Edelman blocks were both critical, although Allen may have been too late.

  3. Block of Alford 23 during White swing pass OT 11:55 (2:13 in the clip) . A pretty good block, doubtful White gets the first down without this.

  4. Cut block on linebacker De’Vondre Campbell 59 allowing White to get TD. (1m:30s)

I think most people, even on this Edelman-disrespecting-forum, would agree that Edelman's blocking technique is better than a typical wide receiver's. But did this make a difference?

It's a difficult to question to know. If Edelman had average blocking ability for a receiver, which of these 4 plays would have succeeded? A case could be made I think that none of the four plays would have succeeded. In any case, it would have been much riskier.

If you agree that Edelman's blocking was (a) superb and (b) critical, then this raises the next question: why doesn't anyone talk about it! I've read a lot of articles/videos on Edelman's value to the team in the wake of his injury: his quickness, his sync with Brady, his clutch play, his intelligence, his versatility, his "heart", even his passing. But I've never seen his blocking mentioned. And I never see blocking mentioned when assessing receivers either. Why?

Also if people have other key blocks in SBLI feel free to add them.

One extra comment on (1): this may not have been a designated block in that Edelman might have had to select the right guy to block based on the defense post-snap. I mean, it's a nontrivial read to select Poole at all. The others the blockee was designated pre-snap.

(Edit: Reminder that the main question I am asking is this: If Edelman had average blocking ability for a receiver, which of these 4 plays would have succeeded?)
 
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Edelman-disrespecting-forum,
I see. Because sane posters here dont think JE is a better WR than Julio Jones its disrespecting??? JE being disrespected here is laughable. He is one of the most beloved, hard working, selfless, clutch and tough players the team has ever had. And worshiped on this forum

You are clueless.
 
What's an "Edelman-disrespecting-form"?

He thinks this is an Edelman-disrespecting-forum because in another thread a few posters like myself said Julio Jones is a better Wr than Edelman and would outproduce Edelman in any offensive system including Ne.

Apparently, that's an outlandish opinion
 
I see. Because sane posters here dont think JE is a better WR than Julio Jones its disrespecting??? JE being disrespected here is laughable. He is one of the most beloved, hard working, selfless, clutch and tough players the team has ever had. And worshiped on this forum

You are clueless.

Julio Jones is a better WR.

Julian Edelman is a better all-around football player, and it's not even close.

WR, PR, KR, CB, Defensive STer (don't forget - he scored a defensive coverage ST TD in the Buttfumble game). The blocking is exceptional too.

I'm not sure people will adequately understand his greatness - much like Troy Brown.


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To answer the threads question, I think it takes a total team effort, do your job from everyone, for us to win that super bowl. So yes if Edelman didn't make those key blocks we wouldn't have won the super bowl. But at the same time, if brady messed up the handoff, or if the running back didn't cut the right lane, or if the lineman missed a block, or if the WR dropped the ball...then we wouldn't have won the super bowl either. Edelman isn't bigger than the rest of the team
 
Julio Jones is a better WR.

Julian Edelman is a better all-around football player, and it's not even close.

WR, PR, KR, CB, Defensive STer (don't forget - he scored a coverage ST TD in the Buttfumble game).

I'm not sure people will adequately understand his greatness - much like Troy Brown.


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Who would you rather have on NE next year Julio Jones or a 32 year old Edelman?
 
Too many things have to go right for that come back to be complete. Edelman's blocking was a small but very important part of the equation and should neither be underestimated nor overestimated.

If asked to name the three best skill sets Julian Edelman provides his blocking would not be one of them. He's an above-average blocker who is very willing to block which makes Edelman an asset as a blocker. He's also nothing this league has not seen before as a blocker. His blocking is not an Irreplaceable facet of the offense.

I kind of feel that this conversation is not unlike evaluating David Ortiz as a bunter
 
Julio Jones is a better WR.

Julian Edelman is a better all-around football player, and it's not even close.

WR, PR, KR, CB, Defensive STer (don't forget - he scored a coverage ST TD in the Buttfumble game). The blocking is exceptional too.

I'm not sure people will adequately understand his greatness - much like Troy Brown.


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No question JJ is a better WR and no question JE is better all around and more versatile. He had claimed JE was the best WR in the league. Its just not true.

He is very Troy Brown like andI think TB was one of the best all-around players of all-time.

But lets not get away from the original claim in another thread. And as stated, the team won the SB, of course JE was a big part of it, just like DA was.
 
Who would you rather have on NE next year Julio Jones or a 32 year old Edelman?


After the ACL? Jones.
But that wasn't the question. Edelman has been the better all-around value to his team over his career. Jones is the better WR.

Since they've been in the league, to this point, I would take Edelman.

Going forward, due to age and the ACL on a player who depends on shifty moves, would be a different story.
 
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So yes if Edelman didn't make those key blocks we wouldn't have won the super bowl.
I edited the question to clarify but am responding directly: the question wasn't whether we'd have won had Edelman not made the blocks.

The question is, would a wide receiver of average blocking ability have made the blocks well enough for the plays to succeed?

Relatedly, how many wide receivers would have made all those blocks so well?
 
After the ACL? Jones.
But that wasn't the question. Edelman has been the better all-around value to his team over his career. Jones is the better WR.

JE is one of the best values in the league and probably all-time for the patriots when you factor performance against salary compared to his counterparts.

So where is all this "Edelman Disrespect?"
 
JE is one of the best values in the league and probably all-time for the patriots when you factor performance against salary compared to his counterparts.

So where is all this "Edelman Disrespect?"


I never said he was "disrespected" regarding the Jones comparison. I fully agree Jones is the better WR weapon.

I wasn't a participant in the other thread, and 97% of the other members here weren't either. So I don't get how this forum is disrespecting anyone for that matter (except for Goodell).

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I never said he was "disrespected" regarding the Jones comparison. I fully agree Jones is the better WR weapon.

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I am not saying you did. I am asking in general, per the OP where is the phantom JE disrespect?

Its a huge strawman.
 
I am not saying you did. I am asking in general, per the OP where is the phantom JE disrespect?

Its a huge strawman.


You directed the question at me.

You should have directed it at the person making the claim, no?

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After the ACL? Jones.
But that wasn't the question. Edelman has been the better all-around value to his team over his career. Jones is the better WR.

Since they've been in the league, to this point, I would take Edelman.

Going forward, due to age and the ACL on a player who depends on shifty moves, would be a different story.


I would take Julio Jones over Edelman at any point in their careers. Jones is a future first ballot hall of famer. Will Edelman make the hall of fame?
 
I would take Julio Jones over Edelman at any point in their careers. Jones is a future first ballot hall of famer. Will Edelman make the hall of fame?


Sure, if you are a Fantasy Football owner. Me? I root for an NFL TEAM.

Who has 2 rings?

You are looking at it from a Fantasy perspective. Not a team perspective.

Edelman beat opponents in 5 different areas. But no argument - - Jones was the better WR.

Please show me a real fan who prefers his players make the HOF instead of winning rings.

Hall of Fame? Watch what type of banner is unfurled this Thursday night.

I guarantee you, it ain't a HOF banner.

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