NFL scout on Garoppolo: Bill thinks he's got the next great one

[RobertWeathers]

But saying it's all about is saying it's simplistic.
There are a lot more factors involved.

Andy- I'm aware there are more factors involved.

 

[Ring 6]

The other option would be a "sign and trade" with Jimmy where he does a mid-range deal here under the condition Bill, Yee and others would guide him to a quality organization via trade. I'm skeptical about that one big time but it might get NE much more in trade as opposed to a 3rd rd comp pick. I dunna know....takes a lot of faith on JAGs end to hope his new team redus his deal in 2019

That is almost impossible and maybe not even almost.
He is going to want up front guaranteed money. That would be charged to the patriots if they sign and. trade.
Why would he have any interest in negotiating.a contract with the patriots to be traded when he will be a free agent.
If you are going to go sign with a new team why would you be complicit in doing it in a way that your old team gets something from your new team? It's shooting your self in the foot.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Sorry that's a fail.
You posted an article where she says if the patriots would take #12 she thinks they would strongly consider it.

That is not close to saying they offered it.

If you think she "stated it as a fact" you would have to show a different article because in the one she clearly says it's her unconfirmed guess.

That is not what I am answering.

I responded to a post questioning if the Browns offered anything to NE.

MKC reported the Browns offered #12

She never reported anything beyond that.

What you are saying is her conjecture which she is entitled to voice.

 

[RobertWeathers]

That is almost impossible and maybe not even almost.
He is going to want up front guaranteed money. That would be charged to the patriots if they sign and. trade.
Why would he have any interest in negotiating.a contract with the patriots to be traded when he will be a free agent.
If you are going to go sign with a new team why would you be complicit in doing it in a way that your old team gets something from your new team? It's shooting your self in the foot.

The only way Jimmy does that deal is it guarantees he is sent to an org he wants.

I would agree in that scenario Jimmy is leaving a lot of $$ on the table.

The other dynamic here is it might be a contract that allows him to stay in NE if TB12 goes in a death spiral.

 

[Ring 6]

That is not what I am answering.

I responded to a post questioning if the Browns offered anything to NE.

MKC reported the Browns offered #12

She never reported anything beyond that.

What you are saying is her conjecture which she is entitled to voice.

No she didn't that's the point. She "reported" that if the patriots would take #12 SHE THINKS the browns would strongly consider offering it.

 

[Ring 6]

The only way Jimmy does that deal is it guarantees he is sent to an org he wants.

If he is a free agent he can choose where he goes.
There is no reason for him to sign a contract with a team so they can trade him

I would agree in that scenario Jimmy is leaving a lot of $$ on the table.

Which is why he would never do it

[quote{The other dynamic here is it might be a contract that allows him to stay in NE if TB12 goes in a death spiral.

Why accept less and hope you get to play if the best QB in the NFL suddenly sucks when you can go on the open market and pick your deal and have teams fight over you.

There is just no reality in this approach.

 

[RobertWeathers]

No she didn't that's the point. She "reported" that if the patriots would take #12 SHE THINKS the browns would strongly consider offering it.

I see what you are saying.

She states as fact the Browns wanted Jimmy.

She also speculates that the #12 and a lower pick would be appealing to the Browns.

I think there is a source there but because she's a pro and missing additional sources she cant state it as fact.

 

[Ring 6]

I see what you are saying.

She states as fact the Browns wanted Jimmy.

She also speculates that the #12 and a lower pick would be appealing to the Browns.

I think there is a source there but because she's a pro and missing additional sources she cant state it as fact.

That's just not true.
She did not "report" the browns would offer 12 alone much less more. She speculated that if that's what it took they would seriously consider it.

You are making up that there is a source because she says no such thing and if she is such a pro she could easily get confirmation if it was teal.

Instead she says if it took 12 she thinks they would consider it. She doesn't even say she thinks they would offer it.

This is not proof 12 was offered. Not even close.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Social media has bit more then one person in the ass. What is fascinating is when an individual calls out a population as ignorant based on speculation.

Make that constant speculation by the fan base of the greatest player in the history of football, while he's still the best player in the game. I can understand fans of every other team in football wanting the Brady Belichick era to end, but for Patriot fans to want that is insane, my apology for pointing that out. And it's obviously directed at the vocal minority who won't stop posting sh.t articles from people like Giardi.

 

[RobertWeathers]

That's just not true.
She did not "report" the browns would offer 12 alone much less more. She speculated that if that's what it took they would seriously consider it.

You are making up that there is a source because she says no such thing and if she is such a pro she could easily get confirmation if it was teal.

Instead she says if it took 12 she thinks they would consider it. She doesn't even say she thinks they would offer it.

This is not proof 12 was offered. Not even close.

Andy you have been following football for decades.With trades and draft picks nothing is ever officially offered and on the complete record.

If you tend to believe Schefter and his standard of reporting, it's the same thing. String instinct with one source, but cannot (or will not ever) be substantiated.

 

[Ring 6]

Andy you have been following football for decades.With trades and draft picks nothing is ever officially offered and on the complete record.

If you tend to believe Schefter and his standard of reporting, it's the same thing. String instinct with one source, but cannot (or will not ever) be substantiated.

This is what you said

Iirc there were solid reports that the Brownies were offering #12 for Jimmy.

Correct. She reported the Browns made offers. Seems you do not believe her?

You have supported this with one writer saying she thinks that if the patriots would take 12 the browns would seriously consider it.

That is neither reporting that offers were made nor solid reports that 12 was offered.

Now you pull the "of course there could never be proof of offers made because we all know that doesn't get reported".
Just admit you misremembered instead of twisting your proclamation into "There is no proof but everyone knows"

 

[RobertWeathers]

This is what you said




You have supported this with one writer saying she thinks that if the patriots would take 12 the browns would seriously consider it.

That is neither reporting that offers were made nor solid reports that 12 was offered.

Now you pull the "of course there could never be proof of offers made because we all know that doesn't get reported".
Just admit you misremembered instead of twisting your proclamation into "There is no proof but everyone knows"

I will do nothing of the sort because of her credibility and how she structured the piece I believe her.

She stated the Browns offered #12 . You don't see how she did it.

 

[Ring 6]

I will do nothing of the sort because of her credibility and how she structured the piece I believe her.

She stated the Browns offered #12 . You don't see how she did it.

No she didn't. She said IF the patriots would take 12 she THINKS the browns would CONSIDER.

That. Is by no means "STATING they OFFERED it".

 

[XLIX]

The other option would be a "sign and trade" with Jimmy where he does a mid-range deal here under the condition Bill, Yee and others would guide him to a quality organization via trade. I'm skeptical about that one big time but it might get NE much more in trade as opposed to a 3rd rd comp pick. I dunna know....takes a lot of faith on JAGs end to hope his new team redus his deal in 2019

Why on God's green earth would Garoppolo even remotely consider such a thing?

I cannot believe how many people in here think Garoppolo should sacrifice millions and millions of dollars, sacrifice the ability to be a starter, sacrifice any control over what team he goes to, and just completely lets himself get screwed royally all for the Patriots to gain a draft pick.

 

[XLIX]

The only way Jimmy does that deal is it guarantees he is sent to an org he wants.

So does free agency.

If he signs that deal, he gives all power and control to the Patriots. Why in the world would he do that?

 

[RobertWeathers]

Why on God's green earth would Garoppolo even remotely consider such a thing?

I cannot believe how many people in here think Garoppolo should sacrifice millions and millions of dollars, sacrifice the ability to be a starter, sacrifice any control over what team he goes to, and just completely lets himself get screwed royally all for the Patriots to gain a draft pick.

I said it was a scenario. I didn't say I support it.

 

[RobertWeathers]

So does free agency.

If he signs that deal, he gives all power and control to the Patriots. Why in the world would he do that?

It's s scenario. I never said it was a good one.

He could sit out of TC too and that one is also unlikely

 

[RobertWeathers]

No she didn't. She said IF the patriots would take 12 she THINKS the browns would CONSIDER.

That. Is by no means "STATING they OFFERED it".

************ I know that.

The Browns also tried and failed to land Jimmy Garoppolo on Thursday, but will go back at it today.

To summerize, she confirmed with her sources on the record that an offer was made but the sources would not confirm what the offer was so she couched it as such.

 

[Ring 6]

************ I know that.



To summerize, she confirmed with her sources on the record that an offer was made but the sources would not confirm what the offer was so she couched it as such.

so we agree there is nothing at all saying a first round pick was ever offered.

 

[BTTA]

No chance.
And Brady dropping 10% in performance is still the best QB in the NFL.

It depends on how we define "dropping 10%." If it is about results or stats, then perhaps. If it is about decision making, or strength, or accuracy, then that kind of drop might make him the worst QB in the league.

If we are simply adjusting 28-2 over 12 games to be 25-3, then yes, who cares? But if it means he's 10% to the right/ left and high/low on every throw, and 10% slower deciding where to throw each throw, and 10% of the time wrong about which guy to throw to, that could be an immediate disaster.

A 10% drop in diagnostic accuracy or speed could make the best cancer doc in the world one of the worst, depending on the nuances of the measurement. A 10% drop in dexterity could mean the difference between success and death for a brain surgeon.

We'll just have to see how fast that stuff erodes. I hope Giselle wins the argument before the on-the-field results do.