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Amendola vs Hawkins for the final WR spot.

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I just got done with an umpteenth million rewatch of the last Super Bowl and man the idea of Danny not being with us is kind of insane to me.

I mean it might happen, but that dude is the very definition of reliable.
 
stay way from MY Danny, Fnurd...or, I don't know...there COULD be a problem...
 
Hogan is a total JAG !
Just like 17 touchdowns in 8 years -
Amendola.

Surprised you didn't respond to my anti Bruins posts.

You must agree.... they suck as an organization... owner, coach & GM.

Yes.. Hogan is a JAG because YOU say so.. You don't offer up Jack to support your claims, you just run your mouth..

I don't need to respond to your moronic anti-Bruins posts. The fact that you made them in this thread shows you've can't actually hold up your argument.

BTW, I love how you disagree with facts. But then, you're clearly one who doesn't care about facts anymore..
 
Tom Brady took a pay cut for the good of the team.

Amendola took a pay cut because he was not worth his current contract & he would have been cut if he did not take a huge pay cut.

Amendola's most recent pay cut was huge, but nobody would have given him that money, so he had no choice.

So, you can't be bothered to actually answer the question. Instead you talk about Tom Brady taking a pay cut which has nothing to do with what was asked.

Again, please name the last Patriot who took a paycut that BB jettisoned..
 
I guess I concede. Absent an injury, it's Hawkins or Amendola.

Amendola offers far more experience and likely more on special teams with his punt return ability, while Hawkins offers quite a bit more athletic ability. So short term (this year) Amendola likely wins that contest.

You seem to be ignoring the likes of Austin Carr, though he's likely to start the year on the PS unless there is an injury to Amendola.
 
Yes.. Hogan is a JAG because YOU say so.. You don't offer up Jack to support your claims, you just run your mouth..

I don't need to respond to your moronic anti-Bruins posts. The fact that you made them in this thread shows you've can't actually hold up your argument.

BTW, I love how you disagree with facts. But then, you're clearly one who doesn't care about facts anymore..


You want to talk stats & facts ......
Amendola....
17 Touchdowns in 8 years is a JAG !
Guys with better stats than that are cut all the time.

If Hogan isn't a JAG, what is he?
4 seasons & 1,639 yards & 10 total TD's.

If Hogan isn't a JAG, then what is he?


As far as the Bruins....
Do they have a good owner, GM, or coach?
 
You seem to be ignoring the likes of Austin Carr, though he's likely to start the year on the PS unless there is an injury to Amendola.

We know it is only a matter of time before the man of glass gets hurt again.
 
So, you can't be bothered to actually answer the question. Instead you talk about Tom Brady taking a pay cut which has nothing to do with what was asked.

Again, please name the last Patriot who took a paycut that BB jettisoned..


Ted Johnson took a pay cut to remain with the Patriots.

Patriots LB Johnson Takes Pay Cut

Johnson ended up retiring to avoid being cut a couple years later.

Unlike Amendola, he could have made more money elsewhere.

Keshawn Martin got a raise last year & didn't make the team.
 
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I don't think Brady is in decline. I think he has 3 years left. I have said that repeatedly, I am just going by what BB has said, and has done. And reports from Schefter that have all been right so far. The last one being "they want to keep him beyond 2017" draw your own conclusions.

Again I will say that I think Brady has 2 or 3 years left of Brady level play.

By that logic they cannot keep Garrapolo, which is too bad but that's the way it goes. The truth of the matter is that Brady is defying the norms but it isn't a fluke it's the result of hard work and a really intelligent approach to his craft. And he is absolutely right in saying it makes no sense to quit when he has all the answers to the defense's he faces. All signs point to Brady continuing his dominance over the league, and no player in league history gives a team a better chance to win the Lombardi than Brady does, so moving on from him while he is still one of the best players in football makes no sense at all. And the only argument for keeping Garrapolo is if Brady is telling Belichick and the Kraft's that he is hanging them up if they win it all again this season, and to date he has been saying the opposite.

Imo the reasons Belichick has not moved Garrapolo are as follows.

-Belichick wants a good back-up behind Brady because this team is so strong they could actually win a Lombardi with Garrapolo at QB if Brady went down.

-Belichick wants to see how much progress Brissett has made before moving on from Garrapolo.

-The 2017 QB draft class flat out sucked, whereas 2018 is loaded, so trading Garrapolo for a top pick in next years draft makes much more sense than trading him for a top pick this year.

Garrapolo provides a quality back up at a really low price, whereas the veteran back ups are way overpriced and they suck.


Imo the Patriots are going to move Garrapolo for a high pick in the next draft, and they will target Brady's successor in that draft, and the only caveats would be if Brady decided to hang them up and he's hiding it from the public, or if he had a career ending injury in 2017.

I expect Brady to be the best player in football again this season and beyond. His peers on defense, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Dwight Freeney etc... are all done or gone.so you now have the smartest QB in history facing a bunch of 25 year old defenders (by avg age) and he knows everything they are trying to do while they have no idea what he will do, and he literally scares the sh.t out of them. And the way Brady manages games there is no player in football and football history that gives you a better chance to win every game you are in. When asked by Coach K what Brady's greatest strength as a QB is he responded that it is Brady's ability to avoid negative plays, which is why he has only lost one game in Foxborough where they were ahead at the half, and there is absolutely no reason, including age, to think his greatest strength will suddenly get weaker.

More than anything else I think Brady has earned and deserves the respect of Patriot fans to believe in him and support him. And Patriot fans need to realize that no player will ever give them a greater chance to win a Lombardi, and that each one they win from here in out sets them apart from the rest of the league and solidifies their position as the greatest team in NFL history. Just as winning has #5 resolved the debate over the GOAT winning #'s 6 & 7 would absolutely cement the Belichick/Brady Patriots as the GOAT team of all time. And Belichick as the ultimate football historian realizes where they are standing and wants to make that kind of history. Paul Brown is his football idol and that's who he wants to emulate, and creating that kind of legacy would achieve that.

The bottom line imo is that Brady will continue to be the best player in football for the foreseeable future and they cannot hang on to Garrapolo for that long, so he moves on and Brady/Belichick, and the Patriots will keep winning Lombardi's and cementing their place as the greatest team in history.
 
If it comes down to Amendola vs Hawkins, I'd take Amendola 10 times out of 10. Extremely clutch and Brady trusts him almost as much as Edelman and Gronk. The last 3 years he's been clutch and the ultimate team player (taking less money). His teammates seem to love him. I think this is his last year, but hopefully he goes out a winner in February 2018.
 
Andrew Hawkins isn't worthy to tie the laces of Danny Amendola's cleats.
 
We won our last two Super Bowls with Danny. Best hands on the team. Good routes. We will see what happens during camp.
 
That's exactly what I said.

Dola and Hawkins have nothing to do with each other. The #5 WR + ST player is his job unless he gets injured. Hawkins is injury depth for WRs in general. Don't know what's so difficult to understand or requires disagrees.

If I misunderstood you, I apologize.

"Agrees" and "disagrees" are simply shortcuts. They are not judgements of character! "Dislike" is another thing entirely. We usually reserve this judgment for posts that are richly deserving.

I did re-reread all your comments. As you say, we agree on almost everything. HOWEVER, let us examine your summarized position, and I quote

"Hawkins has only a realistic shot if a WR or Slater gets injured."

I disagree with this as stated. Slater is not relevant to Hawkins in any way. Slater is a STer. Hawkins is in no way qualified to replace him in that roles.
 
There are more to special teams than kick returns.
Unless you think Amendola is a better special team player than Slater.

Let me know when Amendola has made open field tackles like this guy?



So...because the guy made a special teams tackle in the CFL 7 years ago...the Patriots should keep him over Amendola. Got it.
 
Matthew Slater may be faster than both of them.

FWIW, Slater had a slower 40-yard time than both of them and is actually 5th fastest on the team by that measure. I added Hawkins to this list:


Brandin Cooks, WR: 4.33-second 40 yard dash (Pro Day time)

Jonathan Jones, CB/ST: 4.33-second 40 yard dash (NFL Combine). Also a national high school champ in 110-meter hurdles. Seems important.

[Hawkins - 4.34]

Stephon Gilmore, CB: 4.40-second 40 yard dash (NFL Combine)

Matthew Slater, WR/ST: 4.44-second 40 yard dash (Pro Day time)

Devin McCourty, FS: 4.48-second 40 yard dash (NFL Combine)

Eric Rowe, CB: 4.45-second 40 yard dash (NFL Combine)

Chris Hogan, WR: 4.47-second 40 yard dash (Pro Day time)

Brandon King, CB/ST: 4.45-second 40 yard dash (Pro Day time)

Patriots, PLEASE make this footrace with Brandin Cooks happen
 
You want to talk stats & facts ......
Amendola....
17 Touchdowns in 8 years is a JAG !
Guys with better stats than that are cut all the time.

If Hogan isn't a JAG, what is he?
4 seasons & 1,639 yards & 10 total TD's.

If Hogan isn't a JAG, then what is he?


As far as the Bruins....
Do they have a good owner, GM, or coach?

Spoken like you have never watched a Patriots game and they are killing your fantasy teams. By your logic Kevin Faulk and Vince Wilfork are JAGS because their numbers were pedestrian. The truth is that the only JAG is you.
 
Matthew Slater may be faster than both of them.

Slater's less of a straight-line speed guy than he is a guy with an incredible twitch and unmatched ability to avoid a jam at the line. He consistently beats two dedicated jammers off the snap to be the first guy to the returner; many NFL receivers have a difficult time beating one. Straight line speed doesn't matter for anything if a corner can hold you up at the line.

It's too bad his hands and route-running ability never developed because he would have been basically uncoverable as a receiver if they had.
 
So...because the guy made a special teams tackle in the CFL 7 years ago...the Patriots should keep him over Amendola. Got it.
Spoken like you have never watched a Patriots game and they are killing your fantasy teams. By your logic Kevin Faulk and Vince Wilfork are JAGS because their numbers were pedestrian. The truth is that the only JAG is you.

Wilfork played a position that is judged by the eye not by the stats.

He was a beast on our DL for years, but if you look through the archives, I was one of a few who believed Wilfork needed to take a major pay cut, because he was not the player he use to be.

Kevin Faulk was a great third down back, but he was never a good 3 down back.

Why, so you think Faulk was a superstar???

Too be honest I have no idea how Faulk made the Patriots HOF.

Don't let the fact Faulk is in the Patriots HOF cloud your vision.
There are a lot better players not yet in the Patriots HOF.

The Koolaid drinking voters, just remember Faulk & forget or never heard of a guy named Russ Francis.

Do you think Faulk should have got in the Patriots HOF before a complete player like Russ Francis????
 
Wait, now its Russ Francis is a more complete player than Kevin Faulk? The same Kevin Faulk who was one of the most clutch 3rd down backs in the game, an elite blocker, a special teams ace and as BB often said "one of the best leaders the organization ever had."

The same Kevin Faulk who AVERAGED over 10 more yards from the line of scrimmage per game over his entire career than Russ Francis. That is not counting his special teams contributions which were excellent.

The same Faulk who played twice as many seasons here as Francis?

The only person who would claim this is someone who does not watch the game, nor know anything about it.
 
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