Schefter: Expect Pats to Keep Garoppolo Beyond 2017

[luuked]

Well its hard to blame people to think that way. He is 40. And keeping JG just added to the speculation. Its not very difficult to see what could happen.

The Pats are planning on keeping JG long term.. something has to give?

I feel like the entire situation is one of the big psychological issues for us humans. Instead of enjoying whats in front of us which is a 2017 season with an amazing team some people here spend time rather dreading what will happen farther in the future.

The Patriots have a 40y QB and are essentially in a year-to-year evaluation mode of the most important position in this game. If they can keep JG around for as long as it makes economically sense and just see what happens with Brady they will do that.

It is that simple. There is no big secret succession plan or backroom agreements. They will do whats best for the football team and as long as Tom is playing at the level he is and stays uninjured he will continue to play. Despite what some people here say about things changing you are talking about the deepest character defining things of a person.. they don't change without some major trauma.

But we will get his stupid thread now every year until Brady does retire...

 

[luuked]

No one is accusing brady of lying, but circumstances change. Giselle could get a hold of him OR the pats could decide to move on regardless of what brady wants to do. I think schefter's opinion has more to do with the pats' thinking than brady's.

You are talking about a persons defining mental characteristics as "circumstances". Those things don't change without something major happening. Despite all the nonsense about him having a concussion or not he has been pretty much major injury free his entire career except for the ACL in 2008.

So I don't see how health concerns would make him retire given that he had essentially none of those in his time in the NFL so far. It would most probably require a serious injury for him to realize the danger but at the same time a serious injury would most probably be a career ender anyway.

 

[bruce_w]

You're minimizing the media backlash. It would be tremendous for BB, JG and the team especially if they didn't win enough.

So Brady will tell Bill B when he can play another Qb because Bill B is afraid of the media? Holy **** bud put bottle down!

 

[DarrylS]

Keeping Jimmy G here under the franchise tag or by contract extension, makes no sense to me and defies anything that the Pats have done with this team economically.. I think he is here to see how far Jacoby Brisssett has progressed, and to see if JB is heir apparent to TB...

My crystal ball tells me that barring a major TB injury that JG will be the back up here this year, then come next year he will be franchised and eventually traded if Brady is still healthy..

The whole idea of paying two QB's starting contract money, seems to defy what has been the tradition here in NE.. does anyone think that BB will franchise JG 24 million as a back up???

Also think Mr. Kraft is a player here, TB and BB have built this franchise and Kraft is not about to let one of the faces of this franchise walk away..

 

[RobertWeathers]

Keeping Jimmy G here under the franchise tag or by contract extension, makes no sense to me and defies anything that the Pats have done with this team economically.. I think he is here to see how far Jacoby Brisssett has progressed, and to see if JB is heir apparent to TB...

My crystal ball tells me that barring a major TB injury that JG will be the back up here this year, then come next year he will be franchised and eventually traded if Brady is still healthy..

The whole idea of paying two QB's starting contract money, seems to defy what has been the tradition here in NE.. does anyone think that BB will franchise JG 24 million as a back up???

Also think Mr. Kraft is a player here, TB and BB have built this franchise and Kraft is not about to let one of the faces of this franchise walk away..

Good speculation. Good guess as any.

I think BB has roughly 5 different scenarios he is prepared or preparing far.

It's all a matter if letting it play out and at that point , determining the best course of action.

Depending on how things end this season, BB could trade anyone or keep everyone.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

I'd hate to be in that spot and 2nd guessing like i think they do about 2006 where they got cheap with the offense and left a super bowl on the table cause they refused to pay for any decent WR.

I know everyone blames Reche Caldwell's drop for 100% of that loss, but I don't think that's fair. Yeah, he should have caught it. But we scored 34 ****ing points that day.

There wasn't much money spent on the offense, but it's not like we had a ton of money left over gaining interest. Miguel's cap page from that year has us pretty low on cap space, and he mentions that according to other figures, we were around 76 cents below the cap.

Miguel's UNOFFICIAL 2006 Patriots Salary Cap Information Page

Very little money went towards the offense, but that money went towards a defense that gave up 32 points in the second half of that game. Caldwell could have dropped every pass in the second half and it shouldn't have mattered.

He's become our Bill Buckner, but like Bill, he didn't deserve even a quarter of the blame that he's gotten over the years. 34 points on the road should be enough. If the defense gives up 27 points or less in the second half, we go to the Super Bowl with that cheap piece of **** offense.

 

[Tony2046]

So Brady will tell Bill B when he can play another Qb because Bill B is afraid of the media? Holy **** bud put bottle down!

That's not what I said bud. Nice spin though.

 

[Tony2046]

Good speculation. Good guess as any.

I think BB has roughly 5 different scenarios he is prepared or preparing far.

It's all a matter if letting it play out and at that point , determining the best course of action.

Depending on how things end this season, BB could trade anyone or keep everyone.

I agree with everything except trading everyone. I don't think he would trade Brady.

 

[aluminum seats]

I love Brady, and as a Patriots fan I hope this is his last year with the team.

Hot take alert!

Successful teams NEED a top QB. It would be INCREDIBLY satisfying to hear the wailing and lamentations from other fans as the Pats run continues for another decade or more.

The cliche In Bill We Trust means just that. So if he goes with JG, I trust him, our speculation here aside.

Unlike others, it wouldn't kill me to see Brady in another uniform. I'd love for him to break all the records before he retires. If it's a good situation for him, I'm OK with it.

Either way, it's fascinating and should be fun. And definitely not worth the anger it seems to generate in some. (Hey that kind of rhymes.)

 

[Kontradiction]

You got someone on the inside that knows that talks have died down ?

You got someone on the inside that knows that talks have died down ?

Just going by what I've seen. They engaged, it was reported, then it stopped. Like I said in the last post, I'm not going to pretend to know what he's thinking or doing, or what's going on behind closed doors. I'm just looking at what we know right now which are the four things I mentioned to you before plus other comments.

Everything else so highly circumstancial and based on Giselle saying things that I see no reason to put more weight on that than what Brady says himself in recent interviews.

Except Brady is not going to shine the spotlight on himself and would do anything to not have that happen. For him, it's all about the team. Unless you think that he will actually announce his retirement, which he won't, ahead of time, you can't really take him seriously on what he says about the matter. Further, he's also said "play until you suck" and "I'll play until I fall in the grave" (paraphrased). What you CAN do is look at what's going on around him. Not only the four bullet points I pointed out to you earlier, but he also made a comment recently about how his kids have grown up faster than he thought they would. We know his family is very important to him based on his social media posts.

Nobody really has any expectations about how long he can continue to play on that level which is why BB keeps all options open and will hang on to JG as long as it makes economic sense.

Except that's not what Schefter is saying here. Schefter is very much saying the Pats plan to hold onto JAG long-term.

I guess that's what the next 2-3 years will be like now. The annual "last rodeo" thread until it actually happens if injuries don't take him out sooner.

It's going to suck. It won't just be one thread. It will be many threads like we've had here this offseason.

So he's lying' out his ass about REPEATED statements of playing several more seasons, playing until he's 45. These statements are recent, not seasons ago.
So let's completely disregard EVERY statement Brady has consistently made on the matter and instead come to the opposite conclusion based on mysterious "tea leaves".

I mean seriously. WTF???

I'll ask you the same question that I've posed before: Do you honestly think that Brady is the kind of guy that's going to announce his retirement to the press before it happens?

If not, then there's really no reason to take him seriously on the matter. And those "tea leaves" are far from mysterious. They're facts (extension talks stopping so far, team keeping JAG) or things that have either come out of his wife's mouth or his mouth directly. As I mentioned above, he also made a comment about playing into the grave. This is not a man that likes the spotlight on himself. He does not play for a coach that likes the spotlight on any one player. It's about the TEAM. If repeatedly saying "45" is going to keep the media and fans off of his back while he concentrates on the season ahead, you bet your ass he's going to lie about it. And if you don't think Brady would lie about such a thing for the good of the team, I have a beautiful piece of swamp for sale. It has your name on it. PM me with an offer.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

People have to realize it's not just about brady wanting to stay as long as he wants. The pats have to want him here for another 3-5 years too. With garoppolo almost ready to take the reins, that is not a given. Brady has to continue to show them he can play at a high level.

 

[Kontradiction]

People have to realize it's not just about brady wanting to stay as long as he wants. The pats have to want him here for another 3-5 years too. With garoppolo almost ready to take the reins, that is not a given.

Eh. I don't think the Pats would be ready to ship him out if he's still playing like the GOAT. I still think it's much more likely that Brady plans to retire than it is that the Pats are forcing him out the door. If I'm wrong about that, it's going to take me a LONG time to get over it. Forcing Brady out the door (and to another team) while he's still at the top of the game would be a massive mistake.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Eh. I don't think the Pats would be ready to ship him out if he's still playing like the GOAT. I still think it's much more likely that Brady plans to retire than it is that the Pats are forcing him out the door. If I'm wrong about that, it's going to take me a LONG time to get over it. Forcing Brady out the door (and to another team) while he's still at the top of the game would be a massive mistake.

Yes, of course - if he's playing at an MVP level then you have to keep him. But if the pats (i.e., belichick) think there will be a considerable drop off then they'll turn to Jimmy. Belichick will not hesitate, similar to how he went with tom over drew.

I honestly think the plan originally was to have tom play until 43 or so but they are not so sure right now because jimmy has wowed them.

 

[Galeb]

The Pats have convinced me by their actions that they love Jimmy and they are keeping him long-term.

I bet they've convinced other GMs of that as well. There is no better way to maximize what a trade partner will give you than to convince them that you are unwilling to trade. They may keep Jimmy Garoppolo, but even if they weren't intending to, this is likely how they'd play it until they got the value they wanted. They've put themselves in a position where they can afford both QB's salaries next year. That doesn't mean they'd carry them into the season, whether it's a franchise tag or a long term deal.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I agree with everything except trading everyone. I don't think he would trade Brady.

If he sees Brady slip 5% in his performance in 2017 and projects him to slip 15% in 2018 and sees Jimmy at the same level, hes gone.

Bill is shrewder than shrewd and I know you know this.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

If he sees Brady slip 5% in his performance in 2017 and projects him to slip 15% in 2018 and sees Jimmy at the same level, hes gone.

Bill is shrewder than shrewd and I know you know this.

Brett favre had a major dropoff in 2010 when he hit 40. If tom has a dropoff and jimmy goes onto be a stud for another team, bill is going to regret it. Can you imagine if ted thompson traded aaron rodgers? He'd be out of a job.

 

[luuked]

Brett favre had a major dropoff in 2010 when he hit 40. If tom has a dropoff and jimmy goes onto be a stud for another team, bill is going to regret it. Can you imagine if ted thompson traded aaron rodgers? He'd be out of a job.

Who cares what happened to other players at the age of 40 ? What relevance does this have specifically for Brady ?

Something tells me that no other QB in the recent past has taken care of himself as well as Brady. Also Brady relies on completely other things that don't deteriorate that fast than what happened with Favre.

Historic comparisons in this situation are totally meaningless. I think we can all agree that as long as Brady plays on this level and shows no signs of substantial drop-off he will be the QB of the Patriots. How long this will be who knows.. it could be 2 years... it could end up being 6 years if he dodges any injury and really can maintain his arm strength. At some point JG will want to be a starter and if that overlaps with Brady still being on top of his game I don't think BB & co will be able to come up with a economically viable solution to keep JG around.

 

[Froob]

I know everyone blames Reche Caldwell's drop for 100% of that loss, but I don't think that's fair. Yeah, he should have caught it. But we scored 34 ****ing points that day.

There wasn't much money spent on the offense, but it's not like we had a ton of money left over gaining interest. Miguel's cap page from that year has us pretty low on cap space, and he mentions that according to other figures, we were around 76 cents below the cap.

Miguel's UNOFFICIAL 2006 Patriots Salary Cap Information Page

Very little money went towards the offense, but that money went towards a defense that gave up 32 points in the second half of that game. Caldwell could have dropped every pass in the second half and it shouldn't have mattered.

He's become our Bill Buckner, but like Bill, he didn't deserve even a quarter of the blame that he's gotten over the years. 34 points on the road should be enough. If the defense gives up 27 points or less, we go to the Super Bowl with that cheap piece of **** offense.

Refs boned us, Caldwell was mugged in the endzone on 3rd down on the second to last drive of the game. Total ********.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Brett favre had a major dropoff in 2010 when he hit 40. If tom has a dropoff and jimmy goes onto be a stud for another team, bill is going to regret it. Can you imagine if ted thompson traded aaron rodgers? He'd be out of a job.

Exactly.

Love Tom to death but if in 2019 Tom is 80% of what he was and Bill trades Jimmy it goes against every single personnel move he has made here at NE since 2000

 

[Tony2046]

Brett favre had a major dropoff in 2010 when he hit 40. If tom has a dropoff and jimmy goes onto be a stud for another team, bill is going to regret it. Can you imagine if ted thompson traded aaron rodgers? He'd be out of a job.

Brett Favre was 27 when he won his Super Bowl. Brady is 39.

Brett Favre was a gunslinger. Brady is a tactician.

Brett Favre's diet consisted of "meat, potatoes and beer" and has recently changed his diet after retirement. Brady eats avocado ice cream.

There are forty year olds that run triathlons while other forty year olds huff and puff their fat asses up a flight of stairs.

This isn't a knock on Favre btw. He's in better shape than I am and was a fun QB to watch.