Tom Bradys Arm Strength

[Deus Irae]

I just wish Brady threw it far enough to hit Moss in stride in Superbowl XLII. That was a touchdown right there.

Why don't you just kick everyone in the balls, while you're at it.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

Jamarcus Russell had the strongest arm. It means that much!

 

[patfanken]

There used to be the thought that whatever arm strength you brought into the league was what it was. It was never going to get better, only worse. Brady came into the league with what was at best marginal arm strength. And like most things in his career, he broke the mold and through his hard work on his footwork and mechanics actually built up his arm strength over the years to the point where he was being metioned in the same breath as other "big armed" QB's over the last decade.

I can't think of another QB who ever became a harder thrower the longer he was in the league. Tom Brady is truly and extraordinary athlete.

 

[wolverinejoe80]

that almost catch to moss is 75-76 yards.

 

[scott99]

Brady is actually getting better. Throwing a ball through a brick wall or 80 yards on your knees has nothing to do with playing QB.

I so agree with this. He's deadly accurate and throws beautiful passes. That 4th quarter and OT in SB 51, nobody in the history of the NFL can compare to that performance. He was just a stone cold killer in that game late. Amazing to see for a 39 year old. He's better than he was 10 years ago.

 

[mosslost]

The winner of most NFL QB's in throwing competition that I can recall threw it about 75-80 yards.

Yes, that sounds about right. However that is with full motion, all mechanics engaged and at least a jogging start. Rodgers can just use his arm, in a tough spot, without any stepping into it and get it 65 yards on target. THAT is arm strength. Brady can't do that.

 

[mosslost]

that almost catch to moss is 75-76 yards.

Yes and he had like a ten yard running start, full mechanics engaged, full windup, etc. like I said before, in a similar scenario (no one any where near me, in my 20's, I could throw a football 60 yards under those circumstances). Arm strength was not a big part of that throw in SB 42, it was more the science of his full use of his full throwing mechanics. Arm strength is part of that, but it is even more about knowing how to throw a football. Rodgers makes certain kinds of throws entirely on arm strenght that Brady could never throw. It does not mean much really though, as Brady is the GOAT.

 

[mosslost]

I just wish Brady threw it far enough to hit Moss in stride in Superbowl XLII. That was a touchdown right there.

he threw that pass about as hard and as far as he could. It traveled 75 or so yards in the air and essentially did hit a moving target nearly dead on. Even without defenders it is hard to catch a ball traveling 75 full yards in the air and that kind of angle and speed (most bombs in actual games are caught somewhere far shorter than 75 yards and run in the rest of the way, or they are not from your own ten-ish yard line. So, it would have been hard if Randy was alone, but there were 2 defenders right there. I don't think Brady could throw any farther or if he can it would not be by much.

 

[mosslost]

If the only thing that mattered is arm strength Bledsoe would have been one of the greatest QBs who ever lived. On his knees at the 50 the guy could throw it through the uprights. Means mostly nothing.
FULL DISCLOSURE: I heard Troy Brown say this.. who knows if that was just legend or what.

 

[Tony2046]

Yes, that sounds about right. However that is with full motion, all mechanics engaged and at least a jogging start. Rodgers can just use his arm, in a tough spot, without any stepping into it and get it 65 yards on target. THAT is arm strength. Brady can't do that.

You've been listening to Joe Buck again, haven't you?

"The Great Aaron Rodgers"

"He once threw a ball to a wide open receiver thirty yards down field that no other QB in the history of the NFL could throw"

 

[IcyPatriot]

Brady has always been above average in velocity ... though not great.
However as I remember it what matters is total time from hike to ball reaching the sideline or target ... Brady's is top notch.
Interesting note 55 mph is the mark at the combine ... Watson's was 49.

 

[MassPats38]

Cam Newton, in my opinion, probably throws the best deep ball in the game, in part due to his arm strength (with that said, his intermediate and short passing is far from outstanding because he apparently cannot learn touch). Favre, Elway, Bledsoe and even Cutler were known for arm strength (usually evidenced by receivers dislocating fingers during receptions).

The arm strength topic seems to go hand-in-hand with the aging concern. I would prefer Brady not be labeled as a big arm but rather a precise, disciplined passed who can read the field, because that means he will likely last much longer in the NFL than all of the big arms. His willingness to adjust his throwing mechanics hopefully signifies that as well.

 

[Drewwho]

Compare Brady's 39 year old arm to Peyton Manning's 39 year old arm. enough said!

 

[Drewwho]

Ryan leaf had a strong arm too

 

[Simpelton]

Cam Newton, in my opinion, probably throws the best deep ball in the game, in part due to his arm strength (with that said, his intermediate and short passing is far from outstanding because he apparently cannot learn touch). Favre, Elway, Bledsoe and even Cutler were known for arm strength (usually evidenced by receivers dislocating fingers during receptions).

The arm strength topic seems to go hand-in-hand with the aging concern. I would prefer Brady not be labeled as a big arm but rather a precise, disciplined passed who can read the field, because that means he will likely last much longer in the NFL than all of the big arms. His willingness to adjust his throwing mechanics hopefully signifies that as well.

Kinda reminds me of a debate that seems almost completely unrelated until you think about it.

The debate is about the Sherman tank and the Panther tank in WWII. The Panther tank had a gun with an effective range several times that of the Sherman tank, its gun was far more powerful and far more accurate and armchair historians like to make a big issue of its "superiority." Lost in their parading of this superior attribute is the fact that the Sherman actually won far more battles against the Panther than it lost. Statistically, the superior tank was the Sherman.

Why?

Simply put? The Sherman was more reliable. The Sherman was built to be quickly and efficiently repaired. This meant that there would be more Shermans in a formation than its equivalent enemy would have. The Sherman was built for ergonomics, so its crew could operate at peak efficiency for longer. Most tank on tank battles were happening within the effective ranges of both vehicles when the tanks were shooting at each other.

Most of all the Sherman's gunner had his own periscope instead of just a telescopic sight, because the Americans were the first to figure out that who won a tank battle didn't come down to who had a better tank, it came down to who saw whom first and fired the first shot, something like 8 out of 9 times vision, rather than showy armor plates or gun size, decided victory. A tank with a second pair of eyes was a tank that won battles.

And that's where I think the comparison loops back to Brady. Brady is the Sherman in this analogy. He ticks all the boxes of attributes that actually lead to victory with his superior vision, reliability and dependability on the field. The showy over-scouted quarterbacks are like the Panther. They look good on paper and deceive the casuals. Like the Panther, these quarterbacks are built to show off and to impress the easily impressed. And why shouldn't they? Showing off is how they get their money. Brady is built to compete and win. He doesn't get his money until he can prove he can perform at the same level as these showpieces do. And so he does, by being smarter about the way he does things then the gunshows ever learn to be.

 

[TinhWoodhead]

The argument against his arm strength has nothing to do with how far he can chuck one with a full wind up. You will notice that Brady does need time for his full motion to whip that thing with his whole motion to get it that far. (The Super Bowl 42 one is a good example)

He is the GOAT easy, however Rodgers can chuck it 65 yards with really no time falling backwards mostly with arm strength with no running start. Brady needs all his mechanics to get that kind of throw off. I could throw a football roughly 60 yards when I was in my 20s with noone and nothing going on around me using all the throwing mechanics, body and a running start. Bledsoe could literally fling the ball using arm. He was not a super great all time QB but he could do some of that. Farve and Rodgers had/have ridiculous arm strength.

must be all the cheese that they ate/eat

 

[zydecochris]

Kinda reminds me of a debate that seems almost completely unrelated until you think about it.

The debate is about the Sherman tank and the Panther tank in WWII. The Panther tank had a gun with an effective range several times that of the Sherman tank, its gun was far more powerful and far more accurate and armchair historians like to make a big issue of its "superiority." Lost in their parading of this superior attribute is the fact that the Sherman actually won far more battles against the Panther than it lost. Statistically, the superior tank was the Sherman.

Why?

Simply put? The Sherman was more reliable. The Sherman was built to be quickly and efficiently repaired. This meant that there would be more Shermans in a formation than its equivalent enemy would have. The Sherman was built for ergonomics, so its crew could operate at peak efficiency for longer. Most tank on tank battles were happening within the effective ranges of both vehicles when the tanks were shooting at each other.

Most of all the Sherman's gunner had his own periscope instead of just a telescopic sight, because the Americans were the first to figure out that who won a tank battle didn't come down to who had a better tank, it came down to who saw whom first and fired the first shot, something like 8 out of 9 times vision, rather than showy armor plates or gun size, decided victory. A tank with a second pair of eyes was a tank that won battles.

And that's where I think the comparison loops back to Brady. Brady is the Sherman in this analogy. He ticks all the boxes of attributes that actually lead to victory with his superior vision, reliability and dependability on the field. The showy over-scouted quarterbacks are like the Panther. They look good on paper and deceive the casuals. Like the Panther, these quarterbacks are built to show off and to impress the easily impressed. And why shouldn't they? Showing off is how they get their money. Brady is built to compete and win. He doesn't get his money until he can prove he can perform at the same level as these showpieces do. And so he does, by being smarter about the way he does things then the gunshows ever learn to be.

There are some subjects (e.g., "will Jimmy G be traded") where it seems like you read 1000 variations of the same post.

That is certainly not true with your post! It isn't every day you see content like this on Patsfans.com.

Interesting info on the Sherman tank, I learned something, so I like, thanks!

 

[wolverinejoe80]

Yes and he had like a ten yard running start, full mechanics engaged, full windup, etc. like I said before, in a similar scenario (no one any where near me, in my 20's, I could throw a football 60 yards under those circumstances). Arm strength was not a big part of that throw in SB 42, it was more the science of his full use of his full throwing mechanics. Arm strength is part of that, but it is even more about knowing how to throw a football. Rodgers makes certain kinds of throws entirely on arm strenght that Brady could never throw. It does not mean much really though, as Brady is the GOAT.

for brady's defense he was abused for 4 qtrs against giants tough defense. and brady generates his power with his legs and hips. and i remember brady's fastball was clocked at 61mph in sports science which is faster than any QBs in recent combine.

but yeah rodgers is mostly all arm. he doesn't need to use his legs to generate power.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Why don't you just kick everyone in the balls, while you're at it.

Tom's arm looks just as strong as this guy's

 

[mosslost]

for brady's defense he was abused for 4 qtrs against giants tough defense. and brady generates his power with his legs and hips. and i remember brady's fastball was clocked at 61mph in sports science which is faster than any QBs in recent combine.

but yeah rodgers is mostly all arm. he doesn't need to use his legs to generate power.

no need to defend Brady to me, especially not on that throw.. That was an incredible throw..