Jason McCourty released by Tennessee

[long distance]

I think it's kind of funny that the Pats would probably be signing McCourty to replace Ryan, when the Titans cut McCourty because they had replaced him with Ryan.

This was actually projected by some people couple of months ago.

The funny thing - ironic in fact - would be that after this “exchange“ Pats come out with good #2-3 CB for cheap again while TEN pay even more for CB that simply cannot take #1 duties..

After all is said and done the BB CB twist could end up with paying Gilmore instead of Butler, exchanging cheaper J-Mac for expensive Ryan, and getting Cooks as net gain in the process.

 

[varjao]

So give BB more orange juice.

Unbelievable the Titans paid 10Mi a year for Ryan. Some GMs are like those people who when buying clothes, instead of analyzing the quality, fit etc just go for the brand.

 

[mgteich]

Really?

Dude people have been posting threads about this or that cornerback literally all offseason. Perhaps we wouldn't have as much interest in Jason specifically if not for Devin, but you bet your bottom dollar there is some interest around here in any decent CB who's available for nothing but money, especially in light of the still unresolved situation with Butler.

Yes, we have looked at defensive backs all off-season.

Perhaps you have missed the signing of Gilmore, and the re-signing of Harmon.

 

[Deus Irae]

Yes you really should get in rehab. Could change your life.

I'm not the one posting like he's high as a kite.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Would love to have both McCourty's in New England. I assume the move was cap motivated. But JMac would surely be an upgrade at the #2 corner position.

 

[jimnance]

I'm not the one posting like he's high as a kite.

Step#1: Stop the denial. You'll then be on the road to recovery. Good luck!

 

[convertedpatsfan]

I think it's kind of funny that the Pats would probably be signing McCourty to replace Ryan, when the Titans cut McCourty because they had replaced him with Ryan.

I'm not sure if that's totally accurate. I think they wanted McCourty back, at a lower price. Otherwise they should have cut him right away and let him access the free agency market sooner.

Alternatively, they may have held onto him in hopes of trading him, in which case, it may be that Ryan was his replacement. But you didn't hear any rumours of trade availability, so I tend to think it was the first scenario.

 

[Wiluven]

Would love to have both McCourty's in New England. I assume the move was cap motivated. But JMac would surely be an upgrade at the #2 corner position.

Number 3 I assume? JMac is not better than Gilmore or Butler.

 

[mgteich]

I'm not sure if that's totally accurate. I think they wanted McCourty back, at a lower price. Otherwise they should have cut him right away and let him access the free agency market sooner.

Alternatively, they may have held onto him in hopes of trading him, in which case, it may be that Ryan was his replacement. But you didn't hear any rumours of trade availability, so I tend to think it was the first scenario.

You indicate that McCourty wasn't available for trade, so they cut him. That makes little sense. Clearly, the team would have called lots of teams trying to get a trade. The fact that there was no press about negotiations indicates (to me) that there was little or no interest.

 

[supafly]

You indicate that McCourty wasn't available for trade, so they cut him. That makes little sense. Clearly, the team would have called lots of teams trying to get a trade. The fact that there was no press about negotiations indicates (to me) that there was little or no interest.

Jason has missed 14 games in the past two years, and even though 12 of those came in 2015 due to two separate groin surgeries, it's still worth noting. Health may have been a concern, as well as any team taking on that salary, of course.

Personally, I don't really think he's all that great, but we're always looking for better depth at the right price.

 

[mgteich]

Jason has missed 14 games in the past two years, and even though 12 of those came in 2015 due to two separate groin surgeries, it's still worth noting. Health may have been a concern, as well as any team taking on that salary, of course.

Personally, I don't really think he's all that great, but we're always looking for better depth at the right price.

Sure, as folks often say here, he'd be a fine addition at a minimum salary.

I think that Belichick really likes Rowe. I suspect that Butler will play outside on 1st down and then nickel when Rowe comes in. Unless someone gives us a 1st, I don't see Belichick getting rid of Butler, and creating a hole.

Like Ryan, if Butler has a solid season, someone will pick him up for $10M AAV.

 

[supafly]

Like Ryan, if Butler has a solid season, someone will pick him up for $10M AAV.

If that's what it would take to lock up an outside CB that everyone feels is in the top 10, we should go ahead and lock him up for that price.

Unfortunately, I think he'll cost much more.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

You indicate that McCourty wasn't available for trade, so they cut him. That makes little sense. Clearly, the team would have called lots of teams trying to get a trade. The fact that there was no press about negotiations indicates (to me) that there was little or no interest.

I don't think that's what I wrote.

To me, there were really 2 scenarios:

1. Try to renegotiate McCourty's contract, or
2. Try to trade him.

We didn't hear any rumors about 2, so it makes me believe it was scenario 1.

 

[Biffins]

sign him for vet min

 

[jimnance]

Can Rowe play just about anywhere? I mean, would he really be lining up in the slot, for example?

To me, he looked like a serviceable outside CB due to his size, which is his biggest strength (in my opinion, of course). I don't think he's fluid or quick enough to handle slot responsibilities on a regular basis. Actually, I'm not even sold on him as our CB2. I think he was adequate, but still needs a lot of work.

I mostly agree with you about Rowe. But I wrote that partly based on "future projection"; Rowe is one of only 3 cbs in the NFL at 6' or taller, who had outstanding 3cone quickness- which usually translates in a cb to the ability to cover smaller,quicker wrs. Btw, Gilmore is one of the other two- so the Pats now have,on paper, 2 of the only 3 tall cbs who should be able to cover the slot.( Something Sherman doesn't do well, despite the clueless posts of some here).
So far,Rowe has not done much of that,but he's still young-and I'm guessing BB will help him reach his potential. So you're right-BUT, he has the skills to cover the slot- may just be a matter of reps.( Btw,his coverage on that Julio Jones incredible catch was perfect).

 

[supafly]

I mostly agree with you about Rowe. But I wrote that partly based on "future projection"; Rowe is one of only 3 cbs in the NFL at 6' or taller, who had outstanding 3cone quickness- which usually translates in a cb to the ability to cover smaller,quicker wrs. Btw, Gilmore is one of the other two- so the Pats now have,on paper, 2 of the only 3 tall cbs who should be able to cover the slot.( Something Sherman doesn't do well, despite the clueless posts of some here).
So far,Rowe has not done much of that,but he's still young-and I'm guessing BB will help him reach his potential. So you're right-BUT, he has the skills to cover the slot- may just be a matter of reps.( Btw,his coverage on that Julio Jones incredible catch was perfect).

Informative post, but I just have a hard time envisioning Rowe in the "star" position, and if a guy like Sherman were to come in, it surely wouldn't be for that spot, either. I think both are pretty much exclusively outside CBs. Obviously, I could be wrong as this is just my .2 cents.

 

[mgteich]

I don't think that's what I wrote.

To me, there were really 2 scenarios:

1. Try to renegotiate McCourty's contract, or
2. Try to trade him.

We didn't hear any rumors about 2, so it makes me believe it was scenario 1.

???

Of course they tried to renegotiate Jason's contract.

After that didn't work, it is clear (at least to me) that they tried to trade the player. Since there was no rumors, it is likely that no one was interested.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Number 3 I assume? JMac is not better than Gilmore or Butler.

Until Butler signs his tender, he is not a Patriot. So I'm working with the current roster. Gilmore is #1. If Jmac signs he would be #2 and Rowe would be #3.

When Butler signs is also crucial to signal his intentions. If he signs before the draft, this might mean he is open to a trade and wants out.

If he doesn't sign his tender until after the draft, the Pats likely are less likely to trade him because the return would be a 2018 draft pick at earliest.

Article here:
Malcolm Butler scenarios: Timing is crucial if CB signs tender with New England Patriots

The other good point the article makes is that if Butler just plays out his $4m tender he could increase his stock greatly. And then when he enters the free agent market in 2018 he could be looking at Gilmore or better money at just age 28.

Most likely 1/4m + 5/65m > 3/30m + new contract at age 30.
But Butler must bet on himself that he stays healthy in 2017 and plays well.
If it was age 27 Revis, we'd see a holdout. LOL.

But the Patriots signed Gilmore so they are mostly immune even if Butler holds out they already have a #1 quality CB in place.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

???

Of course they tried to renegotiate Jason's contract.

After that didn't work, it is clear (at least to me) that they tried to trade the player. Since there was no rumors, it is likely that no one was interested.

The original post said they signed Ryan to replace McCourty. But I think they wanted to keep both if they could. That's all.

 

[jimnance]

Informative post, but I just have a hard time envisioning Rowe in the "star" position, and if a guy like Sherman were to come in, it surely wouldn't be for that spot, either. I think both are pretty much exclusively outside CBs. Obviously, I could be wrong as this is just my .2 cents.

Well that's pretty much all he's done at this point. I'm just saying he's got the physical tools to cover the slot- and here I'm speculating, that BB might have him play some at spot just to mix things up.probably comes down to how well he does it in practice- since damn,with je11 and cooks- that's 2 of the best quick wrs in the game. Of course,the Pats have guys who can do it already,especially butler,maybe one of the Joneses. But Butler Gilmore Rowe are the 3 best cbs Pats have, so I would think they might have both Gilmore and Rowe do some slotwork this summer. Butler would still probably do more of it, but with pick plays sometimes causing switchoffs, the other 2 are going to be covering a slottype once in a while.