Pats still interested in Sherman

[scott99]

Why don't we start a deal around Butler for Sherman, obviously we'd have to give more. Butler, a 3rd this year and a 2nd next year ? Would that do it ?

 

[Ivan]

butler for Sherman straight up could be a deal i see both sides doing.

I'd love that but I don't see Seattle doing it.

 

[Ivan]

Why don't we start a deal around Butler for Sherman, obviously we'd have to give more. Butler, a 3rd this year and a 2nd next year ? Would that do it ?

Too much. Butler and a fourth this year is as high as I would go.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

I absolutely love aggressive BB

 

[signbabybrady]

Interesting so good chance it's either Butler or Sherman here probably way more likely Butler. Obviously there is no guarantee you could get Sherman even if you move Butler but it would seem like its at least been explored as a contingency.

And I was just starting to relax a little on the Butler front.

 

[FCB02062]

once again, 98.5 has its programming for the day...

 

[Thelonious]

He annoys the hell out of me: I have no interest in rooting for the jackass. He'll cost too much. No one really knows how good he'd be outside of his present surroundings/system. Butler is a very good player, younger, in hand, and a good egg, for short money. WTF are we even talking about this for?

 

[PatsBoy12]

He annoys the hell out of me: I have no interest in rooting for the jackass. He'll cost too much. No one really knows how good he'd be outside of his present surroundings/system. Butler is a very good player, younger, in hand, and a good egg, for short money. WTF are we even talking about this for?

I guess we're talking about an All-pro who would likely flourish in NE vs a guy we're not even certain will be on the roster after the draft? I'm not arguing with you so much as I'm pointing out that Butler being in NE in 2017, while seemingly likely, is hardly guaranteed. If you can replace him with a guy like Richard Sherman, yeah, you kick the tires on that a few times to see what it would take. Expressing interest does not necessarily mean anything will happen.

 

[Joey007]

Now there's an interesting concept - trade Butler and a 4th for Sherman and a 3rd. Seattle gets a younger player that they can extend on similar money as Sherman but get the first year cheap, and it only costs them one round's worth of pick movement.

I think this is something that would be a win for everyone. No one is significantly worse after the trade.

 

[Ross12]

I think this is something that would be a win for everyone. No one is significantly worse after the trade.

Yeah, I agree. Seattle isn't exactly "rebuilding" but I'm pretty sure they know they're better off trying to build to be better over the next 3-4 years than trying to "win now." My guess is that they'd be happier with a really good CB who's a few years younger on a 5 year deal than Sherman for the next 2 years, while also getting this year at a lower rate. Conversely, the Patriots are somewhat inclined to be really good this year and probably next, and Sherman makes them better. They would only be spending about $7m this year more to upgrade from Butler to Sherman, and then get another year of Sherman at a fair price.

Seattle gets a really good corner locked up for a while. New England gets a slightly better corner on a short term deal. Everyone's happy.

 

[PatsBoy12]

Again, I'll reiterate that I don't think anything comes of this. However, it's fun to imagine who the heck would be throwing the ball on a secondary comprised of Richard Sherman, Stephon Gilmore, Eric Rowe, Devin McCourty and Patrick Chung/Duron Harmon. Heck, even if you replace Sherman with Butler, it's still RIDICULOUS!

 

[BobDigital]

So, some (insanely optimistic) people here would be expecting the 11th overall pick for Malcolm Butler, but would only part with a 2nd rounder for Richard Sherman?

I don't expect the 11th for Butler. I think a first would be a great deal even if just 32nd. Maybe a mid 2nd is the best we can do.

Also it is not about the player it is about the contract. I think they are worth near the same. Butler probably just a bit more cause his first year is so friendly and he will end up probably being cheaper than Sherman with less risk.

 

[Bourne Again Christian]

How weird since Butler ended their Superbowl.
My guess they involve another player and picks as well.
I volunteer Jordan Richards

 

[Ring 6]

I'd love that but I don't see Seattle doing it.

Depends on how much they would have to pay butler. Cheaper player under contract longer balances out talent gaps.

 

[Ivan]

Now there's an interesting concept - trade Butler and a 4th for Sherman and a 3rd. Seattle gets a younger player that they can extend on similar money as Sherman but get the first year cheap, and it only costs them one round's worth of pick movement.

Good enough, terms are settled. Get this done Ross, no excuses.

 

[Deus Irae]

Now there's an interesting concept - trade Butler and a 4th for Sherman and a 3rd. Seattle gets a younger player that they can extend on similar money as Sherman but get the first year cheap, and it only costs them one round's worth of pick movement.

Seattle's not making that trade.

 

[FourierSeries]

No surprise that the feeling is mutual.

 

[jimnance]

Malcolm Butler right now is a better cb than Sherman.

Malcolm is faster, quicker,tougher and a better tackler. Sherman cannot cover antonio brown, je11, cooks or any other quick smaller wr. he is still one of the best in the nfl but i just cant believe how many of you undervalue Butler.

Lets get this straight: BB does not value Gilmore over butler. There are economics involved. Gilmore is under control by the pats, malcolm could walk next year. Ill bet the farm that if butler is an ufa next year-he will get a BIGGER contract than gilmore. And he should, because hes a better player. gilmore is also young with big upside. sherman is not young, has no upside and while still very good, will start losing ability each year. It alsomakes no sense to have 3 tall cbs and no one to cover the antonio browns of the league.

I actually like sherman, on and off the field, unlike some here. But butler is a better player and is still ascending. would really suck imo if the pats cant keep him for at least this year. Of course, with or without him, theyre still the best team in the league. But with butler, pats have the best secondary in the nfl. Would be scary how good this team could be.

 

[Ivan]

I want this to happen if for no other reason than to watch the heads of the fans of the 31 to spontaneously explode.

 

[Ross12]

Good enough, terms are settled. Get this done Ross, no excuses.

I'm trying, but for some reason Pete isn't answering my calls.

Seattle's not making that trade.

Yeah, I'm not sure what the Seahawks are looking for exactly. How would you modify my idea to make it more plausible in your opinion?