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Greedy: I Want the Next Two Seasons to be the Best in Patriot History

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I suppose it's subjective. I'm happy calling most of these last 17 seasons "successful", even if they don't end up in championships.
 
The OP mentions the next TWO seasons of domination. So it's not 19-0 people, it's 38-0.

Some drama and adversity might be fun too.
 
My favorite seasons are the ones where the team improves during the year and plays it best ball at the end. That always bothered me about 2007 - that team peaked and was trying to hang on at the end. A loss in the last few weeks of the season would not have been the worst thing for that team.
 
The OP mentions the next TWO seasons of domination. So it's not 19-0 people, it's 38-0.

Some drama and adversity might be fun too.

There is ALWAYS drama - you can count on it.
 
My favorite seasons are the ones where the team improves during the year and plays it best ball at the end. That always bothered me about 2007 - that team peaked and was trying to hang on at the end. A loss in the last few weeks of the season would not have been the worst thing for that team.

That 2007 regular season....

W, 38-14
W, 38-14
W, 38-7
W, 34-13
W, 34-17
W, 48-27
W, 49-28
W, 52-7

Up to this point, they had been just ridiculously dominant. Average game score: 41-16. +25 points per game. Insane.

They they had their first hard game of the season, at Indy. Only winning by four, in a game they trailed midway through the fourth quarter. Down 20-10 in the fourth. Came back to win.

W, 24-20

Then they had another huge blowout win, maybe making that Colts game an aberration.

W, 56-10

And then two tough games in a row, against Philly and Baltimore.

W, 31-28
W, 27-24

But then they seemed to get their act together with these three wins.

W, 34-13
W, 20-10
W, 28-7

Average score: 27-10. Very healthy victories. They seemed to have kind of righted the ship (which is funny given that they hadn't lost yet). But then came the Giants game.

W, 38-35

A hard fought game, a harbinger of things to come, unfortunately.
 
What would be especially sweet if JG was traded for all those picks from Cleveland and which resulted in another generation of domination for NE? Simply that it likely wouldn't have happened without deflategate and Roger suspending Brady for 4 games (and allowing Jimmy G more exposure).
 
19-0 does not mean much except to the drug addled mind of Mercury Morris, prison can play tricks on your brain... there is no prize for achieving that goal...
You have GOT to be kidding. 19-0 would be a HUGE deal, deservedly so, and this forum would erupt in spontaneous orgasm.

Saying "it doesn't mean much" is sour grapes. We are better than that.
 
This team doesn't need to go 19-0 for its legacy but I'd be lying if I said I'm not cheering for it to happen.

Besides... it will make Mercury Morris and the rest of them irrelevant.

Who?
 
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I think this board needs a slogan like "Don't say no to 19-0!" Something catchy like that.

I want 19-0 and I am not afraid to say it. I want it even more so cause they failed to get it in 2007. If they don't get it as long as they win super I am of course very happy but why not get the cherry on top?
 
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lets go back to back 24-0 (including offseason and preseason games)
 
That 2007 regular season....

W, 38-14
W, 38-14
W, 38-7
W, 34-13
W, 34-17
W, 48-27
W, 49-28
W, 52-7

Up to this point, they had been just ridiculously dominant. Average game score: 41-16. +25 points per game. Insane.

They they had their first hard game of the season, at Indy. Only winning by four, in a game they trailed midway through the fourth quarter. Down 20-10 in the fourth. Came back to win.

W, 24-20

Then they had another huge blowout win, maybe making that Colts game an aberration.

W, 56-10

And then two tough games in a row, against Philly and Baltimore.

W, 31-28
W, 27-24

But then they seemed to get their act together with these three wins.

W, 34-13
W, 20-10
W, 28-7

Average score: 27-10. Very healthy victories. They seemed to have kind of righted the ship (which is funny given that they hadn't lost yet). But then came the Giants game.

W, 38-35

A hard fought game, a harbinger of things to come, unfortunately.
I remember after a blowout win, against Buffalo I believe, Brady's usual Monday interview, he said, and I'm paraphrasing, "we try to crush every team". I remember hearing that and cringing. I kept thinking, keep that **** in the locker room, don't say that in public to the press. EVERY game after that was a dog fight.
 
You have GOT to be kidding. 19-0 would be a HUGE deal, deservedly so, and this forum would erupt in spontaneous orgasm.

Saying "it doesn't mean much" is sour grapes. We are better than that.

People are telling themselves they don't care about 19-0 because they know its not happening in all likelyhood. If it actually did happen, those same people would be calling it the best season ever and the best pats team ever with non stop celebration of how great the accomplishment is.
 
To be honest with you, I'm REALLY happy with how 2 out of the last 3 seasons have panned out. Anything on top of that is just gravy. I root and hope we win the championship every year, but I know nothing is guaranteed and injuries unfortunately happen, and are the great equalizer. 2015 season is an example. Stay healthy and this team could beat anyone. Relatively healthy in 2014 & 2016 and they won it all. Overcoming Gronk's loss was amazing and great foresight on Belichick's behalf to have the depth to do it.

One game at a time folks.

do NOT give up on the gravy.

 
Well since we are being totally delusional, here's my take:

1. We trade JG for the #12, and 53rd, and the conditional pick pck next season that is likely to be a 2nd but could be a first if the Browns win 8 games.
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2. We trade Butler for #42 and #76. Getting those 2 picks are better than just the #32 for either players or trades. I know this is a delusional thread, but even in a delusion we are NOT getting the #11

3. We sign a motivated Revis for the vet minimum and Manold for $6MM (just a reminder we had 5 ex- Jets on that 2001 team.)

4. We draft Derrick Bennet at #12 and add a great speed, length, and size combo off the edge and with the 42nd pick we grab Quincy Wilson a 6'1 206lb CB with at 6.7 second 3 cone. (Sidney Jones is also acceptable) Now armed with 2 picks in the 3rd round we use one of them to get Adam Shaheen 6'7 TE from Ashland who can develop this season without any pressure. And then use the other 3rd rounder to grab a RB, (Mixon would be iudeal Connor would be more likely at that point). After THAT haul, everything else would be gravy, and I haven'even used the #52. My delusion is getting tired.

5. Sign Ryan Fitzpatrick to compete with with Brissett for the back up role. ($1MM guaranteed on a $4MM salary and $2MM in incentives)

THAT would be a team that would be stacked an upgraded all over the field while giving us enough high picks that we could add to posisitions of need for the future. Remember the superbowl run that we are on now is fueled by those great drafts we had in 2010-12. We've had a few off years since, and this delusion will set us up for the next great draft run.
 
If people are expecting trades like those proposed in the OP, they are going to be disappointed and angry when they hear what we actually get when (if) we trade those two guys away.
 
5 Super Bowl wins have been great, majestic, heart-pounding, special. Of course. But as a fan, I look at the roster, at the moves Belichick has made so far this off-season, and truly believe that with just a few more bold moves, the next two seasons (and perhaps even the next 3 or 4 seasons) can eclipse what has already been accomplished.

How so, you ask? First, let's start with 19-0. Of course, New England was within a whisper of accomplishing this goal. It's on the table now and if Belichick makes these few remaining bold moves, it could quite possibly happen. There will always will some luck involved in a perfect season, but it's there and within reach.

Also consider all of New England's Super Bowl wins -- tight, down to the wire. How about domination, a blow out victory that begins the debate about the best team in NFL history? Sure, all this is excessive, greedy, and simply too much to ask or even consider -- except in New England's case, with its roster, its head coach (best ever), and its starting QB (best ever).

Being the best you can be, chasing greatness at its highest level, separating who you are and what you've accomplished, is what elite franchises do.

So, let's begin the chase. Let's play hardball and put together the most talented roster in Patriot history --

You know where it begins. While some want to keep the backup QB, there's a desperate team (Cleveland) with multiple draft picks and a huge need for a QB. They've let it be known they're interested. Belichick has played this perfectly. At one point, getting pick #12 in the first round was thought to be a great deal for NE. Now, most reporters believe Cleveland is willing to give up #12 and another 2nd round pick - and perhaps even more than that. So play hardball with these guys, wait until just before the draft and get the most possible value.

Here is what I think NE will get --

Cleveland's 1st round pick (#12); Cleveland's 2nd round pick (#33) Cleveland's 2nd round pick (#52).

Next, you play hardball with New Orleans. Either they give up their pick (#11 1st round) for Malcolm Butler, or he comes back. Either way, the Patriots are in great shape -- they keep Butler for another year and have two great corners, or they have pick #11 and select an elite CB in the draft.

For discussion sake, let's say NO does agree to give up #11. Here would be New England's haul:

1st round: #11 & #12
2nd round: #33 & #52
3rd round: #72 & #96
4th round: #131
5th round: #163 & #183
6th round: #200
7th round: #239

That's 11 overall picks in a loaded draft. It gives Belichick the ability to move up and down in a way he never has. On defense, you can get a pass rusher, corner, linebacker. On offense, you can get a running back, tight end, tackle, and guard, perhaps even another young QB to develop. With that many picks, you can target someone you don't even need. Example? John Ross, WR with 4.22 speed. Think he and Cooks might be a combo of speed never seen before in the NFL? Who are you favorite players in this year's draft? NE would have the resources to get anyone it wanted. The Patriots would have so much talent. So much young talent. So much young cheap talent under contract for years to come.

I really think Belichick is getting ready to pull this off. He's ready to pounce. If he does, New England would be in a position to exceed its already remarkable, lofty accomplishments.

As a fan, how can you not be dreaming this dream?
2007 already is the greatest Pats team of all time. (title or not)

Here is the problem with 19-0 talk. When you to get to like 13-0, and have EVERY Playoff advantage clinched.. the final few games are like walking through a mine field.. If you are all sold out on getting to 16-0. Now the Pats are definitely one of the organizations that would go for it, if they are close.. It is just a definite. But there is no question the 2007 Pats were not quite themselves in the AFCCG or the SB, still should have won, but they were spent.

However, the flip side of the coin is take for instance a team that needs to win all the way out to get the number 1 or 2 seed (both the 2003 Pats and 2004 Pats were in this boat). It is probably good for those teams.. So it is probably good for a 12-0 team to win out. I know.. I'm all over the place.
 
2007 already is the greatest Pats team of all time. (title or not)

Here is the problem with 19-0 talk. When you to get to like 13-0, and have EVERY Playoff advantage clinched.. the final few games are like walking through a mine field.. If you are all sold out on getting to 16-0. Now the Pats are definitely one of the organizations that would go for it, if they are close.. It is just a definite. But there is no question the 2007 Pats were not quite themselves in the AFCCG or the SB, still should have won, but they were spent.

However, the flip side of the coin is take for instance a team that needs to win all the way out to get the number 1 or 2 seed (both the 2003 Pats and 2004 Pats were in this boat). It is probably good for those teams.. So it is probably good for a 12-0 team to win out. I know.. I'm all over the place.

Couldn't disagree more, no Lombardi means they aren't the greatest team ever. To this point 2003 remains their greatest team imo.
 
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