Patriots Rumor Butler & Saints working towards finalizing a deal (Thread now UFC Pats Fans Event)

[SHOWTIME15]

If the agent were smart, he'd get Malcolm a long term deal. If Butler signs the tender at $3.9 million, agent commission is capped at 2% (78k).If he negotiated a 4/$34 contract 4/10/10/10, the agent's fee would be 3% or $1,020,000.
What's the Wall street Adage, bulls make money, bears make money but pigs gets slaughtered.... Get greedy and you lose....
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https://compliance.sports.uga.edu/w.../2012_NFLPA_Regulations_Contract_Advisors.pdf
Section 4 B

(a) The maximum fee which may be charged or collected by a Contract Advisor shall be: 11 SECTION 3(B) 12 (i) Two percent (2%) for a player who signs a one (1) year tender while subject to a Franchise or Transition designation, or as a Restricted Free Agent;

the agent is a personal injury attorney who graduated from a no name law school.

 

[The Brandon Five]

the agent is a personal injury attorney who graduated from a no name law school.

Kind of calls into question whether the agent is putting Malcolm's interest ahead of his own.

 

[Richard Camembert]

He had a verbal agreement with KC that he backed out of.

Emmanuel Sanders' agent blasted for negotiating tactics in signing with Broncos

Aha another inexperienced agent hard at work ;D

 

[zipster9]

Although Malcolm is an adult and if he thinks his interests is not his agents top priority, Malcolm should fire his hiney...

 

[ausbacker]

Kind of calls into question whether the agent is putting Malcolm's interest ahead of his own.

This has been one of my suspicions all along. I'm always mindful of the fact that when money is involved, motivations become tainted.

 

[The Brandon Five]

Kind of calls into question whether the agent is putting Malcolm's interest ahead of his own.

Attn: @Pats Fanatic, this is the part that calls it into question (from the post I was responding to):

If the agent were smart, he'd get Malcolm a long term deal. If the agent were smart, he'd get Malcolm a long term deal. If Butler signs the tender at $3.9 million, agent commission is capped at 2% (78k).If he negotiated a 4/$34 contract 4/10/10/10, the agent's fee would be 3% or $1,020,000.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Kind of calls into question whether the agent is putting Malcolm's interest ahead of his own.

Maybe...i was thinking more along the lines of whether he has the competence to represent butler.

 

[meatface]

still waiting

 

[MagicMarker]

The Saints are so close to the salary cap limit that I wonder if the deal and trade have been decided, but Saints need to wait so they can do more offseason moves.

 

[pherein]

The Saints are so close to the salary cap limit that I wonder if the deal and trade have been decided, but Saints need to wait so they can do more offseason moves.

I agree and probably part of the deal is that Butler and BB are allowed to see the end if he gets a high deal and BB gets an #11 pick. Because Saints will never do that, you might get team that will. I think this deal is going to the end of time allowed. If Butler signs tender I think hes in a saints jersey, but has alot of time. Of course Im just making this up as I go along, lol

 

[luuked]

So you believe he can still work out something with the Saints & Patriots?? Found it interesting that Payton was on the radio the same day praising MB..IMO it sounds like that ship sailed from NOLA... Maybe Payton and Derek Simpson like to negotiate in the press??

Saints' Sean Payton offers praise on Malcolm Butler, says visit was 'good'

The situation is a bit complicated in terms of executing the expected trade cleanly.

The Saints have to offer Butler something that works for him without giving out a really big contract because remember that they are also giving up a first round pick. Otherwise why not use the pick on a CB and develop a him at cost control for 4-5 years. Butler is not a tier 1 CB as you have seen him only rarely without safety help on top WRs (Brown comes to mind).

I think there is still a viable chance he is back with the Pats for 2017 because it will not be that easy for the Saints to hit the sweet spot where they feel ok giving up the draft pick AND Butler's camp is fine with the contract.

If that happens I'd suggest Butler takes out an insurance on him getting through the season without injury. Curran said he did some digging and it would cost Malcolm 130k to get a 10m insurance against a career ending injury. Seems like a no brainer if you play on a 4m 1y deal right before hitting UFA.

 

[luuked]

one year cheap..2018 would be $8.5m

You are looking at it the wrong way. Since you can just move cap resources from one year to the other you have to look at deals at their whole and not at a year-by-year basis.

He is essentially a 5m APY player which is cheap if he can be used up to his potential.

 

[luuked]

If I'm New Orleans I don't do #11 for Butler. If I'm NE I don't do it, either. This deal is not great for either team so hopefully it doesn't happen at all.

In what universe is #11 not a good deal for NE ?

 

[pherein]

In what universe is #11 not a good deal for NE ?

You wont get a #11 from Saints. Not sure how many times that has to be said. Never Butler is not worth it. Not being mean , just saying. Cooks might be worth a #11 with what hes done, but a CB no way. WR's always get more.

 

[luuked]

You wont get a #11 from Saints. Not sure how many times that has to be said. Never Butler is not worth it. Not being mean , just saying. Cooks might be worth a #11 with what hes done, but a CB no way. WR's always get more.

Of course it's insane for NO. My point is how would it not be a good deal for NE if it comes up. Some dink said it would be a bad deal for NE.

 

[PatriotDynasty99]

You wont get a #11 from Saints. Not sure how many times that has to be said. Never Butler is not worth it. Not being mean , just saying. Cooks might be worth a #11 with what hes done, but a CB no way. WR's always get more.

WRs are more valuable than CBs? What world do you live in? It's funny but yes, NE will get #11 or Butler back. It's why they gave him the 1st round tender.

 

[luuked]

WRs are more valuable than CBs? What world do you live in? It's funny but yes, NE will get #11 or Butler back. It's why they gave him the 1st round tender.

Thats not how it works. Nobody with a reasonable mind seriously thinks that #11 is an option.

It will be #32 with maybe some sweetening or if Butler and the Saints can't agree on a contract he will be back in Foxboro for one year before he cashes in as UFA.

 

[RayClay]

And what if they don't "want Butler desperately"? What if they offer #32, no more?

They would offer it because New England has leverage. Obviously, they would like to not have to agree with New England as well as agree on contract with Butler, but for that, they would have to pay a #1.

It has nothing to do with being desperate. If NE wants, they could say #11 or no deal. If they except #32, they decided that's what they want. That's leverage. Everything depends on what NE wants to do, unless NO sends #11.

 

[Pats Fanatic]

Attn: @Pats Fanatic, this is the part that calls it into question (from the post I was responding to):

I'm not sure what it is about so ok.

 

[Ring 6]

You wont get a #11 from Saints. Not sure how many times that has to be said. Never Butler is not worth it. Not being mean , just saying. Cooks might be worth a #11 with what hes done, but a CB no way. WR's always get more.

That is exactly why you always have a defense that you can't win with.