The 3-year transition Brady/Garoppollo theory - is there any merit?

[Ivan]

I am just curious, who on earth was suggesting any type of transition in 2014?

I don't think you are understanding, once again, that we are Brady fanboys, not Jimmy fanboys. And we are not suggesting they transition from Brady to JG; we are speculating that may be the Patriots thinking, considering that, if you believe Schefter, which I do, JG is untouchable in trade talks, there is historical precedent for similar moves like this that are almost always considered the right move in hindsight, Brady will be FORTY-TWO in 2019, and despite that JG only played for six quarters, multiple teams saw enough to want to trade a boat load of draft picks for him, while the Patriots know a lot more about him than just six quarters and won't trade him even for what appears to be a very high price.

To ignore there is a plausible succession plan, and considering the contract situation with TB and JG, you are being blind to a plausible idea and accusing people of hating/doubting Brady despite that only a couple of people have said stupid things like SB51 shows he is declining. Brady's play is not declining. He may not decline in two years. They still might choose to move forward with Garappollo. You should try to understand the reasoning behind it instead of being so close-minded. Most everyone is acknowledging there at least plausible arguments both ways...not such a clear black and white decision.

I understand the reasoning entirely and I have stated why I disagree with it completely on repeated occasions. If Garrapolo were under contract through 2020 it might be relevant, where he is gone after 2017 it makes absolutely no sense at all. Tom Brady is still at the top of his game and that game is better than anyone else to play the game, moving on from him in 2018 so people can test out their theories in Jimmy Garrapolo is as dumb as it gets. Garrapolo was asked to cover starting QB for 4 games and couldn't even make it through half of that. And while Garrapolo played really well against two bad teams in September he has never been in any kind of pressure situation and no one has any idea how he would fare in those situations, so moving on from the best clutch player in the history of the NFL makes little to no sense at all.

I actually like Garrapolo but the projections of absolute greatness by his backers are ludicrous at best.

 

[Soliel]

This is an excellent point. I do not want to transition at all ever. I was also having a hard time with the concept of the thread at first until realising people arent advocating doing this. If i had my way, brady would play until he wanted to stop but at the same time, its likely there will be a change in probably two years.... Thats what i see in my mind when weighing all this... I dont like it at all. Hell, i dont even like jg honestly.

 

[Ivan]

I am just curious, who on earth was suggesting any type of transition in 2014?

I don't think you are understanding, once again, that we are Brady fanboys, not Jimmy fanboys. And we are not suggesting they transition from Brady to JG; we are speculating that may be the Patriots thinking, considering that, if you believe Schefter, which I do, JG is untouchable in trade talks, there is historical precedent for similar moves like this that are almost always considered the right move in hindsight, Brady will be FORTY-TWO in 2019, and despite that JG only played for six quarters, multiple teams saw enough to want to trade a boat load of draft picks for him, while the Patriots know a lot more about him than just six quarters and won't trade him even for what appears to be a very high price.

To ignore there is a plausible succession plan, and considering the contract situation with TB and JG, you are being blind to a plausible idea and accusing people of hating/doubting Brady despite that only a couple of people have said stupid things like SB51 shows he is declining. Brady's play is not declining. He may not decline in two years. They still might choose to move forward with Garappollo. You should try to understand the reasoning behind it instead of being so close-minded. Most everyone is acknowledging there at least plausible arguments both ways...not such a clear black and white decision.

No one has ignored any plausible succession plan, just the one that replaces Brady with Garrapolo in 2018, which is the only way Garrapolo replaces Brady.

 

[kennyb]

Why does everyone proclaim JG as "THE REAL DEAL", heir apparent. He looked good in 6 quarters of play. Osweiler looked good in a year of play, good enough for elway to offer a huge contract.

Jg is not the only pony in the world and it's not possible to know if he's the next joe montana at this point.

Look up peterman, qb of pitt. He is very brady like. Trade jg, draft petermn with a 4th and use the draft haul to improve the team.

 

[moosekill]

Some people also seem to forget that trading JG may bring in a whole sheet load of high draft picks. Those draft picks should serve to make the team better, right?

 

[Soliel]

Some people also seem to forget that trading JG may bring in a whole sheet load of high draft picks. Those draft picks should serve to make the team better, right?

I wish they would do that but it hasent transpired. Hard to know whats going on with that because rumors are everywhere and all opposites.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

If you don't think JG is good enough, that's fine. There certainly can be reasonable discussion about that.

I don't particularly care if Brady is ultimately replaced by JG or someone else.

The only thing I'm against is the asinine idea that no matter what NE shouldn't move on from Brady until he's worse than another QB on the roster.

I put seeing NE keep a competitive team going way higher on my list than Brady worship and if that means the team has to move on from Brady before he's done, so be it.

 

[1960Pats]

Another Brady vs Garoppolo thread. What a great idea.

 

[AzPatsFan]

Well yes the end is coming for all of us.

However what makes you think that the end is in 3 years when Brady's MEASURABLES have IMPROVED in each of the last 3 years?

Why not 4 or 5 years before he declines?

What objective data do you wish to present, other than Max Kellerman fantasies? or your Jimmy G love?

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What a complete load of bullsh.t. Garrapolo was asked to fill in for four games and couldn't make it through two. Brady then returned and played like the best player in football for 15 and he's the one you want to get rid of. The best response to this bullsh.t is the one Belichick gave when you guys threw this garbage out in 2014. He sneered at Giardi, that said it all. You don't get rid of the best player in football for a guy who couldn't make it through a month.

The complete lack of respect for Brady among the Garrapolo asslickers is appalling.

Grow up. I love Brady as much as you, but Unitas is gone, Montana is gone, Marino is gone, Favre is gone, and Manning is gone. None could cheat Father Time; and all the avocado ice cream wont prevent Brady from going too. He has outlasted all of them as it is today, and probably will be when he hangs them up or more likely they take his helmet away from him.

 

[Ivan]

If you don't think JG is good enough, that's fine. There certainly can be reasonable discussion about that.

I don't particularly care if Brady is ultimately replaced by JG or someone else.

The only thing I'm against is the asinine idea that no matter what NE shouldn't move on from Brady until he's worse than another QB on the roster.

I put seeing NE keep a competitive team going way higher on my list than Brady worship and if that means the team has to move on from Brady before he's done, so be it.

It's very telling of just how bankrupt your argument is when you have to keep creating strawman positions like this. This entire discussion is about Garrapolo succeeding Brady, which has to happen in 2018 because they aren't keeping multiple franchise pay QB's. No one is saying Brady will play forever only that that he is still playing at the highest level possible and his demise isn't imminent, as most of you claim it is. And some of you think he should only be the QB for the first snap of next season, while others pretend is demise is already apparent.

 

[Ivan]

I can understand why some wouldn't want the threads from the "we're on to Cincinnati" week re-opened, as it would be really embarrassing to see the crap thrown at Brady and the calls to trade him.

Same people who now want Garrapolo to take over.

 

[jimnance]

Another Brady vs Garoppolo thread. What a great idea.

Yeah, what we really need is another Butler thread.

 

[Simpelton]

I can understand why some wouldn't want the threads from the "we're on to Cincinnati" week re-opened, as it would be really embarrassing to see the crap thrown at Brady and the calls to trade him.

Same people who now want Garrapolo to take over.

''we're on to Garoppolo''

Sorry couldn't resist.

 

[Ivan]

''we're on to Garoppolo''

Then Enjoy rooting for Cleveland, it's where you belong.

 

[Simpelton]

Then Enjoy rooting for Cleveland, it's where you belong.

Someone's sense of humor is in the shop for maintenance I see

 

[patsfan13]

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Grow up. I love Brady as much as you, but Unitas is gone, Montana is gone, Marino is gone, Favre is gone, and Manning is gone. None could cheat Father Time; and all the avocado ice cream wont prevent Brady from going too. He has outlasted all of them as it is today, and probably will be when he hangs them up or more likely they take his helmet away from him.

So one presumes that "before he goes" there will be some tangible measurement of physical decline.

Until that happens why plan on a near term transition?

Perhaps you trade JG, groom JB and draft a "replacement in the QB 'rich' 2018 draft, then flip JB and have the replacement ready to go when Brady is 44-46?

What was the purpose of the Patriots mentioning that they are working on an extension of 3-5 years for Brady?

Will some of the 27 M im cap space go towards an extension bonus to keep TB12's cap number 'low'?

Tom Brady, Patriots have preliminary talks on contract extension

 

[Soliel]

The only reason he hasent been traded for number twelve is because badell will take it away

 

[Ivan]

Someone's sense of humor is in the shop for maintenance I see

You just said "Brady has earned the right to be the starting QB for the first snap next season" so why would I think you are joking? You have steadfastly been making the argument to ditch Brady for Garrapolo so I take that as your position,

And I am really tired of people sh.tting on Brady and the fact that it is once again Patriot fans is pretty disgusting to me.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I understand the reasoning entirely and I have stated why I disagree with it completely on repeated occasions. If Garrapolo were under contract through 2020 it might be relevant, where he is gone after 2017 it makes absolutely no sense at all. Tom Brady is still at the top of his game and that game is better than anyone else to play the game, moving on from him in 2018 so people can test out their theories in Jimmy Garrapolo is as dumb as it gets. Garrapolo was asked to cover starting QB for 4 games and couldn't even make it through half of that. And while Garrapolo played really well against two bad teams in September he has never been in any kind of pressure situation and no one has any idea how he would fare in those situations, so moving on from the best clutch player in the history of the NFL makes little to no sense at all.

I actually like Garrapolo but the projections of absolute greatness by his backers are ludicrous at best.

Fair points. I think the main assumption here is this would not be a wacky experiment to see how good Garoppollo is. The entire premise is based on the idea the Patriots FO know what they have and like it. They see him practice every day and have seen enough of his scrimmages, limited game action, preseason games, and overall skills to make a fairly good evaluation of how he will perform in a full-time starter role. See: Packers and Aaron Rodgers. You can definitely think we are speculating wrong, but no one is advocating that we anoint Garoppollo as the successor unless it's clear the team thinks he would be really good, and some recent moves and non-moves give that idea some legitimacy.

 

[Simpelton]

You just said "Brady has earned the right to be the starting QB for the first snap next season" so why would I think you are joking? You have steadfastly been making the argument to ditch Brady for Garrapolo so I take that as your position,

And I am really tired of people sh.tting on Brady and the fact that it is once again Patriot fans is pretty disgusting to me.

Nobody is crapping on Brady. You're asking a level of commitment that the team never gives to anyone. no one hates Brady but you're SOOOOOOOOOO over the top about it that it's easy to want to try to bring you back to reality by posting something pragmatic