UPDATES on Butler situation: Butler wants to be "A Patriots for Life" AND "paid like a Top 10 CB"

[Love The Drake]

Nobody is going to offer more than 10.5 if a 1st comes with it

 

[XLIX]

Yea I'm not sure I buy into the whole indentured servitude thing.

However, I do wonder if based on his evaluation of Malcolm, BB has reached the conclusion that Malcolm has already hit his ceiling and will never evolve into a Top 5 CB thus why he won't pay him top 5 CB money (that and he doesn't have to.)

As crazy as it sounds, Butler was actually a UFA a couple years ago. The players I have sympathy for are ones like Garoppolo who have zero control over their own careers and, due to the nature of the position, don't even really get a chance to play beyond fill-in duty.

I think there should be a QB exemption to the CBA where they become RFA's sooner if they aren't starting. Just one man's opinion.

 

[Love The Drake]

I heard the talking heads on NFL network explain other teams hesitancy to sign NE players and I agree they look at them like possibly stale food.
Why dont they want you?

 

[RobertWeathers]

He would lose a lot of money waiting until age 30 to be a free agent compared to age 27.

If he signed a 3/$24m at 26 and signs a 3/$36 at ~29 he making $60m max but reasonably less as he most likely won see $13m at 32. Who knows. Again, its a matter of opinion. Mitigate financial/career risk early or go for it

You can't have it both ways. On the one hand you are saying (paraphrasing) "he should take the short term deal and wait until age 30 to be a UFA." Then in the very next paragraph you say "God help him if he blows out his knee." It's a lot more likely he blows out his knee in a 4-year timespan than in a 1-year timespan.

Assuming money is his top priority, I don't take a penny less than $55M this year and if I can't get that this year then I take out an insurance policy, play for $4M then hit the open market in 2018 and make even more.

I didn't mean to say it like that. The assumption is he signed the 3yr deal last year, pocketed the $10m and then blew out his knee (god forbid) and collected insurance money if he suffered a career ender.

 

[RobertWeathers]

As crazy as it sounds, Butler was actually a UFA a couple years ago. The players I have sympathy for are ones like Garoppolo who have zero control over their own careers and, due to the nature of the position, don't even really get a chance to play beyond fill-in duty.

I think there should be a QB exemption to the CBA where they become RFA's sooner if they aren't starting. Just one man's opinion.

They'd call it..........."The Jimmy Rule"

 

[upstater1]

If Malcolm had been extended...

Some basic math: Butler's 700k (2016) + 3.9m (2017) = 4.6m

4.6m + $10m + $10m = $24.6m

7m x 4 years = $28m

I think Butler's agent is doing math wrong.

Someone needs to explain to him how NFL contracts work, because a $7m a year offer over 4 years = $28m.

2 years at $10m after your contract runs out, plus the 2 prior years = $24.6m.

PLUS, you get guaranteed money in case of injury with the $28m.

 

[XLIX]

If Malcolm had been extended...

Some basic math: Butler's 700k (2016) + 3.9m (2017) = 4.6m

4.6m + $10m + $10m = $24.6m

7m x 4 years = $28m

I think Butler's agent is doing math wrong.

Someone needs to explain to him how NFL contracts work, because a $7m a year offer over 4 years = $28m.

2 years at $10m after your contract runs out, plus the 2 prior years = $24.6m.

PLUS, you get guaranteed money in case of injury with the $28m.

3.9 + 23 + 8 + 10 + 11 + 12 > 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7

 

[mariomega]

3.9 + 23 + 8 + 10 + 11 + 12 > 7 + 7 + 7 + 7 + 7

23?

I did not get your logic.

 

[borisman]

He's not gonna play safety. He came here to play corner. Don't be surprise to see more press coverage this year.

I don't know why you're telling me this, but I'm exiting stage left.

I think he was refering to my post from page 3 or 4. The funny part is I was commenting on how BB told Butler he won't pay more than $10m for a CB. I said, in italics, that he'll (Gilmore) be playing safety. Directly under that post I wrote:
italics = sarcasm

No need for you to exit stage left. It was a misunderstanding of epic proportions.

 

[PatsBoy12]

I think he was refering to my post from page 3 or 4. The funny part is I was commenting on how BB told Butler he won't pay more than $10m for a CB. I said, in italics, that he'll (Gilmore) be playing safety. Directly under that post I wrote:
italics = sarcasm

No need for you to exit stage left. It was a misunderstanding of epic proportions.

Gotcha. I was so confused. Lol

 

[XLIX]

23?

I did not get your logic.

After the 3.9, the rest of that equation is Gilmore's contract in real dollars per year (rounded up). My belief is that Butler gets an equivalent contract as a UFA in 1 year.

 

[mariomega]

Oh, I see.

But Butler will never get Gilmore's money, IMHO.

He will sign his tender, play for 3.9m and he can sign a 4y/40m next year as UFA, still a TON of money.

 

[XLIX]

Oh, I see.

But Butler will never get Gilmore's money, IMHO.

He will sign his tender, play for 3.9m and he can sign a 4y/40m next year as UFA, still a TON of money.

4/40? Seriously? I have to vehemently disagree. If Butler is a UFA next year (and assuming he maintains his current level of play without injury of course), when the cap will go up yet again, he brings in a very equivalent deal to what Gilmore got last week.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I have no idea why people are clinging to the idea that Butler is still in the team's long term plans. There could be some possibility that they take the Denver Broncos model and essentially make Malcolm Butler a Chris Harris to while Stephon Gilmore would be Aqib Talib, with Butler covering the quick receivers and Gilmore playing press against the big outside ones. However, they have already invested a lot of money in the secondary with McCourty and Harmon there as well.

With good safety play and overall defensive schemes, we have seen plenty of cheap options and project come in and do fine: Eric Rowe, Brandon Browner, Kyle Arrington, etc. at either the #2 CB or nickel back positions. I don't know how much sense it makes to pay a guy $10M+ to play that position when we already have two elite players in our secondary (McCourty, Gilmore) along with other solid cover guys (Harmon, Chung is good as strong safeties go). I just don't see the Patriots model as spending a lot for two CBs...they signed McCourty to a big deal in part to overcome the assumed dropoff to their #2 cornerback.

 

[borg]

How is it stupid? It won't affect negotiations with other teams and, if anything, he has gained some sympathy from the fandom who agrees he is worth more than $7M per year.

Of course it does. Other teams will be working off the $6-7 mill number....not the unknown number.
And your sympathy premise....how in the world does fan sympathy factor into bigger dollars? Does BB poll fans requesting input on contracts? Are other GMs scouring the rosters looking to correct contractual injustices?

 

[MagicMarker]

If the Patriots signed Butler in 2016 at

2016 - $1M
2017 - $4M
2018 - $10 M
2019 - $13 M

That's 4 years, $28 M or $7 M per year. Sure they could move that money around with signing bonuses and guarantees, but that isn't a bad deal -- especially if it was what they were talking about last season -- two seasons before UFA.

 

[Peachhead]

Jeff Howe? @jeffphowe 21m21 minutes ago
Patriots told Butler last season they wouldn't pay a CB more than $10M annually, so the Gilmore contract was definitely a gut punch.

Do we (or more importantly Butler) know what's been reported about Gilmore's contract is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? I worry that Butler is getting freaked over something that isn't entirely true. It wouldn't be the first time an agent (in this case Gilmore's) put out contract numbers for his client that were, at best, misleading. Or at worst, total BS.

Does Gilmore's "average" include tons of incentives, and a best case scenario? Does it include an obviously bogus bonus year(s) late in the contract where it balloons all of a sudden to a ridiculous amount, where he and the team assumes he'll be cut or restructure? Those would drive the average up on paper, but it doesn't mean Gilmore will get every penny initially reported by his agent.

 

[XLIX]

Of course it does. Other teams will be working off the $6-7 mill number....not the unknown number.
And your sympathy premise....how in the world does fan sympathy factor into bigger dollars? Does BB poll fans requesting input on contracts? Are other GMs scouring the rosters looking to correct contractual injustices?

Fan sympathy won't affect the Patriots nor will the Patriots offer to Butler affect other teams. Leaking the info is not a significant factor either way, but this is just another example of people trying to paint the agent as an incompetent buffoon when all he is doing is what typical agents typically do.

 

[jah]

They'd call it..........."The Jimmy Rule"

And you know this would be compared to the ineligible receiver rule, "Brady" (actually instituted before 2008) rule, and the upcoming Collins/McClellin rule.

 

[slash83]

I wish I was in a position to complain about making 4 million.