Pats not trading Garoppolo - Schefter

[Huckleberry1]

Super Bowls are team wins. Coaching plays a huge part in success its not all on the QB. Brady understands this.

Name the "solid" QBs who have won a Super Bowl in the last 10 years?

I believe Brady has four to five years of GREAT QB play left, and that is what gives them the best chance at winning Lombardi's, and that's the point. You guys can have your solid QB's, I'll take greatness.

 

[XLIX]

No one here is disrespecting Brady. Some of us are questioning if he can maintain this level of play into his 40's, when literally no other QB in the history of the league has ever done it.

The odds are that the Pats will need a new QB in the very near future & that it is highly unlikely they will find another QB as good as JG. Securing JG over the long run, gives the Pats a chance at another 10 year championship window. I can't think of anything, other than retaining BB's services, that is more important to the organization.

You're using ridiculously vague terminology. WTF does it mean that "The odds are that the Pats will need a new QB in the very near future"...? 1 year? 3 years? 5 years?

I am looking at the next 5 years and seeing that the chances of winning more Super Bowls are maximized by keeping the greatest QB of all time, who is currently playing as well as ever, on our team and letting his unproven backup go somewhere else.

 

[XLIX]

If Bill was ever going to break a rule of his it would be for Tom. Brady did play amazing this season, it was 1 of his best seasons ever. He showed improvement in almost every way. Which is amazing. Not only that but it was his QB play that won the Super Bowls, it wasn't like he was riding on the defense to carry him or a great running attack. They won on Brady's arm and a well balanced team.

Manning had neck surgery came back and smashed NFL records and then was done the next season, or was on a steep decline. Was it because of the neck? That doesn't make sense.. it was because other parts of his Body were breaking down and I am sure the neck didn't help.

Off topic but what Manning did that season after his neck surgery almost doesn't make sense?

It does when you consider the fact that it cannot be reasonably doubted that he was using HGH to get back on the field, and he "fell off the cliff" as soon as the NFL started testing for HGH.

 

[XLIX]

Calm down with the disrespectful crap. Brady himself knows NFL jobs are not a popularity contest and it isn't about what you did in the past. Its about the future.
From here on out Brady is one hit away from retirement.

Every single player in the league is one hit from retirement.... but if you're suggesting Brady is somehow more injury prone than Garoppolo and we should keep Garoppolo due to a less likely chance of injury, well...... I just don't know how to respond to that level of silliness...

 

[sambam94]

CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora reports the Browns have "significant interest" in Tyrod Taylor.

The Cleveland Plain Dealer recently reported Taylor was the Browns' top fallback option if they can't land Jimmy Garoppolo. Per La Canfora, "no one I've talked to here at the Combine" believes Taylor will accept the pay cut the Bills want him to take, and "many in the league" believe Tyrod will end up in Cleveland.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I'd rather "languish in NE" for 1 year (is it really "languishing" to be on the best team in football backing up the best QB in football?) and go to free agency in 2018 than sign a 6 year deal in some godforsaken hellhole that I don't want to play in.

If I was Garoppolo, I would refuse a trade unless it was to a place I want to be for the dollars I want to make (and yes I know he can't technically "refuse a trade" but he can refuse to sign a new deal with the new team, and no team is going to trade for him without a new deal).

I agree that Jimmy has that ability to poo-poo a destination but it would be a very, very bad move career-wise.

With that said I do think that once a team and BB have worked out a trade he would let Yee and Jimmy have a discussion around what a long-term deal would look like. Yee would then heavily advise his client to take it if it were reasonable.

 

[XLIX]

I agree that Jimmy has that ability to poo-poo a destination but it would be a very, very bad move career-wise.

No it wouldn't, not even in the slightest. If Jimmy "vetoed" a trade to Cleveland tomorrow and then became a free agent in 2018, do you think the Bears or Jaguars or 49ers (or their fanbases) would give the slightest damn what he did to Cleveland the previous year? If they thought he was a talented QB and potentially their QB of the future, they wouldn't care one bit whatsoever what he did to some other team in March 2017.

With that said I do think that once a team and BB have worked out a trade he would let Yee and Jimmy have a discussion around what a long-term deal would look like. Yee would then heavily advise his client to take it if it were reasonable.

This is another vague term "if it were reasonable".... what is reasonable...? Quite honestly, if I'm Garoppolo, then my negotiation starts at Osweiler money. I may be willing to discount that a bit to get to a team I really want to be with but really what I want more than anything is to be a UFA because that is where the big paydays are.

 

[sambam94]

The Boston Herald reports the Patriots have yet to receive a trade offer for Jimmy Garoppolo "anywhere close" to New England's asking price.

And the Patriots "won't unload Garoppolo unless a team meets their price," the Herald's Jeff Howe confirmed. Howe recently suggested New England's price tag is "at least" one first-round pick in addition to a second-rounder.

 

[IcyPatriot]

The Boston Herald reports the Patriots have yet to receive a trade offer for Jimmy Garoppolo "anywhere close" to New England's asking price.

And the Patriots "won't unload Garoppolo unless a team meets their price," the Herald's Jeff Howe confirmed. Howe recently suggested New England's price tag is "at least" one first-round pick in addition to a second-rounder.

Absolutely the right price pre draft ...
If he is not traded Bill will sign a veteran FA going into camp for security
and if a team loses their QB in camp Bill will deal Grop for a higher price.

 

[FoxboroFlyer]

Teams are terrified to in their minds "over pay" simply because it's the Pats. Any other team, here's two firsts!

This is an example of getting so far into the opposing teams head that it makes it next to impossible to execute a fair trade.

 

[RobertWeathers]

No it wouldn't, not even in the slightest. If Jimmy "vetoed" a trade to Cleveland tomorrow and then became a free agent in 2018, do you think the Bears or Jaguars or 49ers (or their fanbases) would give the slightest damn what he did to Cleveland the previous year? If they thought he was a talented QB and potentially their QB of the future, they wouldn't care one bit whatsoever what he did to some other team in March 2017.
This is another vague term "if it were reasonable".... what is reasonable...? Quite honestly, if I'm Garoppolo, then my negotiation starts at Osweiler money. I may be willing to discount that a bit to get to a team I really want to be with but really what I want more than anything is to be a UFA because that is where the big paydays are.

You are grossly overestimating Jimmy's leverage. He has none.

Discounting is reasonable. That's the definition.

 

[Tony2046]

I'll say what I think, and the Max Kellerman crap is as disrespectful as it gets. And it's more than ironic that you call Brady " one hit away" when your binky couldn't make it through 2 games while Brady went 14-1.

 

[XLIX]

You are grossly overestimating Jimmy's leverage. He has none.

He has a lot of leverage right now. The fact that there is only 1 year remaining on his deal gives him a great deal of leverage. As I said, he can "veto" any trade because nobody is going to trade for him without a new deal - and if they did, that puts him in an even better position where he gets to play AND be a free agent within 1 year (unless he was placed in the "horrible" position of being franchised for a measly $20+ million).

After this year, he has all the leverage he needs. The Patriots are not going to franchise him to keep him as a backup. And if they franchise him with the intent to trade him, no team is going to trade for him absent at least a deal in principle in place.

That's why, if he is smart, he will ride things out for 1 year until he is a free agent UNLESS some team he would be happy playing for makes him an offer he thinks is fair. He doesn't have to take any crap-ass offer he gets from some team the Patriots forced on him.

 

[RobertWeathers]

He has a lot of leverage right now. The fact that there is only 1 year remaining on his deal gives him a great deal of leverage. As I said, he can "veto" any trade because nobody is going to trade for him without a new deal - and if they did, that puts him in an even better position where he gets to play AND be a free agent within 1 year (unless he was placed in the "horrible" position of being franchised for a measly $20+ million).

After this year, he has all the leverage he needs. The Patriots are not going to franchise him to keep him as a backup. And if they franchise him with the intent to trade him, no team is going to trade for him absent at least a deal in principle in place.

That's why, if he is smart, he will ride things out for 1 year until he is a free agent UNLESS some team he would be happy playing for makes him an offer he thinks is fair. He doesn't have to take whatever crap-ass offer he gets from some team the Patriots forced on him.

He can't veto a trade. Pats can send him anywhere they want.

Do you really think Jimmy is going to let a year burn off his career as a starter because he is holding out for a few million more or doesn't like a city?

It's not going to happen .

 

[deroc5050]

Name the "solid" QBs who have won a Super Bowl in the last 10 years?

I believe Brady has four to five years of GREAT QB play left, and that is what gives them the best chance at winning Lombardi's, and that's the point. You guys can have your solid QB's, I'll take greatness.

Joe Flacco? Peyton Manning? There is a couple and 1 of those QB's was absolutely terrible. Are you kidding me? Teams win Super Bowls not QB's. This has been demonstrated time and time again. If QB's won Super Bowls Brady and Roders would be playing each other every year.

 

[XLIX]

He can't veto a trade. Pats can send him anywhere they want.

One of the posts I wrote (that you apparently read since you responded to it) said:

"yes I know he can't technically "refuse a trade" but he can refuse to sign a new deal with the new team, and no team is going to trade for him without a new deal"

You even responded:

"I agree that Jimmy has that ability to poo-poo a destination"

I thought it was clear when I put veto in quotes that we were still going with that working definition of "he can't technically refuse a trade but he can refuse to sign a new deal with the new team, and no team is going to trade for him without a new deal."

Yes the Patriots can send him anywhere they want, but they cannot force him to sign a new deal with them or anyone else. And nobody is going to give up a haul of draft picks absent at least an agreement in principle.

As such, for all practical intents and purposes, he can veto any trade. You even agreed with that statement, so I cannot understand why now you are saying "he can't veto a trade."

 

[ausbacker]

CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora reports the Browns have "significant interest" in Tyrod Taylor.

The Cleveland Plain Dealer recently reported Taylor was the Browns' top fallback option if they can't land Jimmy Garoppolo. Per La Canfora, "no one I've talked to here at the Combine" believes Taylor will accept the pay cut the Bills want him to take, and "many in the league" believe Tyrod will end up in Cleveland.

Cleveland can't help being Cleveland.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Joe Flacco? Peyton Manning? There is a couple and 1 of those QB's was absolutely terrible. Are you kidding me? Teams win Super Bowls not QB's. This has been demonstrated time and time again. If QB's won Super Bowls Brady and Roders would be playing each other every year.

That's two out of ten, one who had an unreal defense. The list of QB's who win Super Bowls is heavily weighted towards really good to great QBs? "Solid QB's" don't get it done.

People are welcome to buy into Max Kellerman all they want, I'm not buying it. Brady's got four more great years imo, and as he said he'll re-evaluate then.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Joe Flacco? Peyton Manning? There is a couple and 1 of those QB's was absolutely terrible. Are you kidding me? Teams win Super Bowls not QB's. This has been demonstrated time and time again. If QB's won Super Bowls Brady and Roders would be playing each other every year.

Last 3 Super Bowls, Brady/Wilson

Newton/Manning

Brady/Ryan

 

[PatriotsPimp136]

CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora reports the Browns have "significant interest" in Tyrod Taylor.

The Cleveland Plain Dealer recently reported Taylor was the Browns' top fallback option if they can't land Jimmy Garoppolo. Per La Canfora, "no one I've talked to here at the Combine" believes Taylor will accept the pay cut the Bills want him to take, and "many in the league" believe Tyrod will end up in Cleveland.

The browns are a joke. Are they really having that much trouble in giving us number 12 and a second rounder? They have a ton of picks and cap space.