Pats not trading Garoppolo - Schefter

[Ivan]

No, I was being sarcastic to someone who says JG has a "tendency toward injury" because he got one injury when he was absolutely pasted.

You think that's bad one poster even said that the posters who wanted Brady traded early in 2014 were right.

I'm just busting your balls QM, I respect you I just think you were batshit crazy on that take.

 

[sb1]

Cant say if JG is injury prone... but I bet 8 sacks in his first 94 pass attempts in the NFL might give teams pause if they are thinking about a first round draft pick price to pick him up. That's not the level of RG3 sack prone but that's not wonderful either. Shows there's work to do.

The more sacks you take the more likely you will be injured. Not rocket science...

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

Howe says they are looking at back ups QBs in case they trade Jimmy...hmm

 

[sb1]

Yea there does seem to be a bit too much confidence regarding Jimmy G being a franchise QB.

I think he's talented and a decent risk for a team to take compared to the current list of QB FA and draft prospects but by no means is he a can't miss All-Pro future SB MVP.

The question is... will a team give up their first round pick for at best right now a talented guy with plenty of upside? I say no they will not but I could be wrong.

 

[Clonamery]

Howe says they are looking at back ups QBs in case they trade Jimmy...hmm

That's a working theory.

 

[RobertWeathers]

The question is... will a team give up their first round pick for at best right now a talented guy with plenty of upside? I say no they will not but I could be wrong.

Yes I have no idea. I think the market is still squishy. Teams need to know how much guaranteed money the high end QB prospects want and how their workouts and interviews go. They also need to sit down with guys like Romo and Glennon and figure out the same thing.

After all that it very well could be that a mid 1st and 2nd rounder and $20m in guaranteed $ for Jimmy is reasonable.

Who knows...

 

[Tuck]

If I'm a GM thinking about giving up a first and my job hinges on JG's success, I would absolutely be thinking about why he only lasted a game and a half when the bullets were firing for real. I'm not saying I wouldn't do the deal, especially considering the alternatives, I'm just saying his durability would be one of my top concerns in the evaluation.

 

[Ivan]

The question is... will a team give up their first round pick for at best right now a talented guy with plenty of upside? I say no they will not but I could be wrong.

I think someone will. QB is obviously the most important position on any team and whike that have busted some balls on Garrapolo succeeding Brady I think a good number of teams have assessed their QB situation and the QB's available in this draft and realize Garrapolo gives them a much better chance to win now, and in the NFL nothing matters more than that. I'm not greedy though, I would settle for the Browns 1st overall in return for JG.

 

[Tony2046]

Agree completely, half of his detractors here are using the same " he's going to drop off a cliff" argument Kellerman used, and all Brady did was To go 14-1 and lead the greatest comeback in NFL history. The other half are using the " he could get hurt" argument, when it was the guy they want who only lasted 5 1/2 quarters of live action who they want behind center.

Absolutely NOTHING in Brady's play indicates any drop off whatsoever. He takes better care of himself than any player ever has and it shows in his play and his ability to rebound from playing. A week after the Super Bowl he was skiing and told King he felt great, so it's pretty clear that his body is not listening to the clock it's listening to how he treats it. Brady will be the QB for at least 4 more years and will get them at least one more Lombardi, if not more. Talk of getting rid of him so his back up can play is literally insane.

I agree with the father time concept but I also acknowledge that father time treats those who eat avocados differently that those who eat meat lovers pizza with a 2 liter bottle of diet coke.

Is it really that hard to believe that a guy who treats his body the way Brady does would last five to seven years longer than the average QB?

 

[Ring 6]

I think someone will. QB is obviously the most important position on any team and whike that have busted some balls on Garrapolo succeeding Brady I think a good number of teams have assessed their QB situation and the QB's available in this draft and realize Garrapolo gives them a much better chance to win now, and in the NFL nothing matters more than that. I'm not greedy though, I would settle for the Browns 1st overall in return for JG.

Somehow, my toning down the overexuberance people are having regarding JG has turned into me seeming to be beating him up, which is not what I am doing.

If it were a no brainer to trade the #1 overall pick for a player who was a late 2nd and has not played much for 3 years, then why wouldn't we see #1 picks traded for players all the time?
I think it would be tremendous if JG could be under contract as Brady's back up until Brady is ready to retire, and then be the replacement, but its just not feasible.
Brady is playing at least 3 more years, barring something unforeseen. We know he isn't going to be cut this year after winning the SB.
We can be pretty sure he won't be cut next year, one year removed from winning the SB, and most likely playing like one of the few best QBs in the league.
So how do you keep a guy around who wants a chance to play? You really can't.
If you could get a similar trade value next year as you could get this year, then it would be a great idea to hang on to him.
But you won't get much of anything next year, because the only way to trade him is to tag him, which they may or may not have the cap space to do, and if they do, what team would trade a boatload for a guy they know we would have to cut if we don't trade.

I admire the creative thinking, but it just isn't possible. So you have to trade him while his value is highest.
Just like you can't be in 2 places at one time, you can't keep both of these QBs, and there simply is no decision about which one you keep.

 

[varjao]

If I'm a GM thinking about giving up a first and my job hinges on JG's success, I would absolutely be thinking about why he only lasted a game and a half when the bullets were firing for real. I'm not saying I wouldn't do the deal, especially considering the alternatives, I'm just saying his durability would be one of my top concerns in the evaluation.

He only lasted a game and a half because he did a dumb play when there was no need to stretch the play like that. Rookies do that kind of thing, JimmyG in that situation and with 3 years of experience should have been smarter but that's fixable. He took a hell of a shot, there is nothing indicating that he is fragile.

 

[PatriotsPimp136]

I think someone will. QB is obviously the most important position on any team and whike that have busted some balls on Garrapolo succeeding Brady I think a good number of teams have assessed their QB situation and the QB's available in this draft and realize Garrapolo gives them a much better chance to win now, and in the NFL nothing matters more than that. I'm not greedy though, I would settle for the Browns 1st overall in return for JG.

Jimmy G's better than all these QBs in this draft and i am not being a homer. Team's would be foolish not to give a first rounder or more for this guy. I think maybe because it's the patriots they wanna try and fleece us.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

There are dozens of QBs who did nothing of substance or rode the bench early in their careers but went on to be very good players later on.

Steve Young and Rich Gannon are others that come to mind

Aaron Rodgers is the most recent example.. he sat for 3 years on the bench just like Garrapolo

 

[Tuck]

He only lasted a game and a half because he did a dumb play when there was no need to stretch the play like that. Rookies do that kind of thing, JimmyG in that situation and with 3 years of experience should have been smarter but that's fixable. He took a hell of a shot, there is nothing indicating that he is fragile.

I think it is more subjective and I look at the play differently than you do. I don't think it was a very hard hit. Certainly a hit you can expect a qb to see several times a season. The problem was that he was caught by a taller defender, falling away and the guy was able to get his center of gravity up around JG's neck and cave in the shoulder socket and the AC when he sandwiched JG against the ground.

A taller qb will not have as much trouble in that situation because it's harder for the defender to get his center of gravity up high where it can do damage to the shoulders and collar bone When the defender drives him to the ground.

Others here seem to see it as a one off thing and it may be but I don't think it can be dismissed as insignificant. Bottom line he played a game and a half and was knocked out with an AC sprain in his throwing shoulder. It's something to think about if you're a GM and your job depends on the move.

 

[MainePatsFan26]

He got injured once on a really hard hit and now that's a "tendency toward injury"? Oh come on.

I guess Brady has a "tendency toward injury" after missing 2/3 of an AFCCG and a whole season with leg injuries.

True he hasn't been injured since he hasn't been playing much. But you look at his frame and play style in this league and I'd put good money on him being an injury prone player like Romo when given more playing time.

 

[deroc5050]

Yes I have no idea. I think the market is still squishy. Teams need to know how much guaranteed money the high end QB prospects want and how their workouts and interviews go. They also need to sit down with guys like Romo and Glennon and figure out the same thing.

After all that it very well could be that a mid 1st and 2nd rounder and $20m in guaranteed $ for Jimmy is reasonable.

Who knows...

Also and I hate to say this, cause we all know Felger. But Felger brought up and interesting point. If the Pats want to trade JG, JG's agent could tell any team trying to sign him to go screw because I will not sign a long term deal with you. Thus any team trying to trade for JG would most likely not give up much if they don't have a guaranteed deal in the works.

Felger is saying when JG is a free agent he can basically pick and choose where he wants to go or at the very least has more control over his destiny..

If JG gets traded to Cleveland this season and he has an average or below average year for what ever reason, he won't be able to cash in... like he would if he just waited a year and then signed as a free agent in 2018.

It does make some sense.

 

[BelichickFan]

Also and I hate to say this, cause we all know Felger. But Felger brought up and interesting point. If the Pats want to trade JG, JG's agent could tell any team trying to sign him to go screw because I will not sign a long term deal with you. Thus any team trying to trade for JG would most likely not give up much if they don't have a guaranteed deal in the works.

Felger is saying when JG is a free agent he can basically pick and choose where he wants to go or at the very least has more control over his destiny..

If JG gets traded to Cleveland this season and he has an average or below average year for what ever reason, he won't be able to cash in... like he would if he just waited a year and then signed as a free agent in 2018.

It does make some sense.

No it doesn't make sense. The first part of the argument is JG not wanting to sign a long term deal (bolded above), the second part is JG not being able to get a long term deal (also bolded). The logic isn't there. If he's traded now, he can lock in a long term deal (admittedly not with the team of his choosing) and play in 6 months not 18 months.

Additionally, like Cassel, he could be franchised in 12 months and traded to a team of the Patriots' choosing.

 

[RayClay]

If I'm a GM thinking about giving up a first and my job hinges on JG's success, I would absolutely be thinking about why he only lasted a game and a half when the bullets were firing for real. I'm not saying I wouldn't do the deal, especially considering the alternatives, I'm just saying his durability would be one of my top concerns in the evaluation.

Maybe they can draft a quarterback with bionic shoulders?

 

[aluminum seats]

Brady got knocked out of a playoff game his first season playing. He was able to come back for the Super Bowl obviously, but still.

I very much doubt JG is injury prone.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Also and I hate to say this, cause we all know Felger. But Felger brought up and interesting point. If the Pats want to trade JG, JG's agent could tell any team trying to sign him to go screw because I will not sign a long term deal with you. Thus any team trying to trade for JG would most likely not give up much if they don't have a guaranteed deal in the works.

Felger is saying when JG is a free agent he can basically pick and choose where he wants to go or at the very least has more control over his destiny..

If JG gets traded to Cleveland this season and he has an average or below average year for what ever reason, he won't be able to cash in... like he would if he just waited a year and then signed as a free agent in 2018.

It does make some sense.

It makes sense but Dooch is waaaay overestimating Jimmy Gs leverage.

Right now Jimmy G has zero leverage. The Patriots own his rights. They will trade him to whomever they want.

Jimmy is in no position to dictate where he goes and what he demands contractually until he builds up some stock or becomes a FA.

Once the NEP trade him he is under contract with the other team.

BB might let Don Yee talk to the other team after a deal had been connsumated (see Cassell/Pioli/2009)

If he were to play hardball BB would play hardball back, keep him and he'd sit behind Tom and another year off his career as a starter would pass by.