Garoppolo Trade Talks to Heat Up This Week

[jboston19]

I'm betting whatever package comes back includes but is not limited to a third round pick next year. We're losing our own in all likelihood to the Eagles for Rowe.

 

[The Gr8est]

I don't think #1 is on the table and if another team is offering higher then #12 Cleveland throws in #33. Now that's an interesting choice. Do you take #3 from Chicago or #12 and #33 from Cleveland? I would take the 2 picks....adding 3 top 30 players from a loaded draft makes the pats super bowl favorites for the rest of Brady's career.

Actually, since we are hearing it even being mentioned, I think #1 IS on the table. As someone mentioned previously this talk is not only negotiation with the Pats and other teams, putting this out for public consumption is a trial balloon and conditioning the Browns fans to get them adjusted to what the possible compensation may need to be.

 

[bruce_w]

There is zero tangible evidence that JG is anything close to a great QB. Maybe he will someday but he "is a great QB?"... no. And he's not worthy of being mentioned in the same breath as Tom Brady so not sure why they are being compared.

You better go tell that to BB and just about every other person in the Patriots organization, coaches, players and even Tom Brady himself. Don't confuse ability with accomplishment when evaluating talent. If you do you will always be a dog chasing his own tail.

 

[YOUGOTMOSSED]

I don't think #1 is on the table and if another team is offering higher then #12 Cleveland throws in #33. Now that's an interesting choice. Do you take #3 from Chicago or #12 and #33 from Cleveland? I would take the 2 picks....adding 3 top 30 players from a loaded draft makes the pats super bowl favorites for the rest of Brady's career.

That is a tough choice. I guess it depends on who is available at 3. I'd be happy with Jonathan Allen then I'll keep my fingers crossed that Malik Hooker falls to us at #32 due to his two recent surgeries. That's my draft day pipe dream.

 

[pazrul72]

Actually, since we are hearing it even mentioned, I think #1 IS on the table. As someone mentioned previously this talk is not only negotiation with the Pats and other teams, putting this out for public consumption is a trial balloon and conditioning the Browns fans to get them adjusted to what the possible compensation may need to be.

I agree you gotta get your fans on board and that's why you are hearing it. You are also hearing how in love with Garrett they are and if you can get him and Grop for your top 3 picks it will be seen as fair and a good deal. Maybe even a bargain I stead of giving up 1

 

[yopats]

Jaguars 4th pick. Remember, you heard it here 1st.

That shipped sailed when they didn't hire McDaniels..

 

[yopats]

Just wanted to chime in briefly with my little addendum to this issue. One thing I have not seen mentioned much is the possibility for a player for player trade here.

Aside from the JJ Watt speculation (which just doesn't make any sense from Houston's POV, given the subsequent cap ramifications), I really haven't seen this line of thinking mentioned much.

Everyone seems to be caught up in what teams make sense relative to their draft position but it would not surprise me in the least if Belichick pulled a random trade out of the blue and we see Jimmy traded for a player at a need position. We don't see a lot of player for player trades in the NFL due to the league's asinine trade rules, but because Jimmy is cheap for 2017, that may loosen the reigns a bit.

No I don't have any ideas about who we're talking about here, but I am suggesting that limiting potential trade partners to teams with draft picks that make sense is a bit misguided.

Agreed my dream scenario is that bidding war starts and Chicago offers up the #3 pick and Akiem Hicks

 

[sb1]

You better go tell that to BB and just about every other person in the Patriots organization, coaches, players and even Tom Brady himself. Don't confuse ability with accomplishment when evaluating talent. If you do you will always be a dog chasing his own tail.

They said a lot of the same things about Brissett too, plus there's always the factor that they are trying to sell him to other teams. The latter shouldn't be dismissed... if they really thought he was great wouldn't they want to keep him?

If the Pats went 0-4 to start the season I doubt Garoppolo will be attracting any sort of attention so accomplishment is indeed what it's all about. His game vs ARI and the first half of the Dolphins game...and to me all the touting of his accomplishments in those games are a little overblown. Either way that's 6 quarters of meaningful football. Way too premature to say he is or isn't great.

 

[Rob0729]

I keep hearing suggestions that the Browns, 49ers, or Bears could trade down to the mid-1st round and pick up some extra picks before trading the 1st to the Pats for Jimmy.

That's a nice plan, as long as you know that your competition isn't willing to trade their original pick for him.

The problem is a lot of teams won't give up much to trade up this early to get into the top 5. No one has a feel for how players will go near the top. If you are targeting someone and trade up to say #3, he could end up going 1 or 2 or his stock could drop by the end of April where he could be had at #10. So finding a trade partner will be hard to find.

 

[Rob0729]

Looking at what the Redskins gave up to get RG3, a guy who had never played in the NFL, the #12 pick seems like very little.

And its really a perfectly fair reasonable comparison. By offering a 1st rounder for JG you are saying he is a franchise QB. So if you think JG is a franchise QB pay the franchise QB rate established by the Redskins for RG3 trade

The Skins traded for the #2 pick, not the player. Unfortunately in the NFL, the #2 pick (even though you are drafting an unproven talent) is worth more than a back up QB who has shown some flashes of elite QB potential in actual NFL playing time.

 

[YOUGOTMOSSED]

That shipped sailed when they didn't hire McDaniels..

Jag's VP Coughlin and BB are friends. Coughlin doesn't seem to like Bortles and is smart enough to know you can't win anything in this league without a QB. Jags really have nothing to lose and I don't think anyone available at #4 is going to turn that franchise around.

 

[sb1]

I don't know why people keep equating JG to prospects picked high in the draft.

Sure there's the uncertainty factor but JG is also 5 years older than they are, has played in Belichick's system, a system that let's face it has not produced top QB talent that has left for other teams and has success unless you call Hoyer and Cassel successes.. and unlike the draft picks, JG will be a FA next winter.

JG will be 26 in November. Tom Brady was a 2 time Super Bowl champion at that age.

If the Browns or Bears are dumb enough to trade for JG with a straight swap of #1 or #3 then I won't complain

 

[Ring 6]

If he is not 100% sure on his decision that scenario can play out. Belichick is certainly considering that playing less games might have helped Brady, we may have seen certain things in practice and wants to wait a little longer before making the right call, it came to light this past week that he wants to outlast Brady in the league so he's got an eye in the future.

Stop with this 'it came to light' stuff. It was speculation and you write it here as if BB held a press conference and stated his goal is to be in the league longer than Brady. It was some guy guessing.

So you still think that BB wants to wait a year, see how Brady is doing, and consider cutting him after this year? Why is he working on an extension then?

I think Belichick would rather get less draft capital than make a premature decision. So this scenario is not very likely I agree, but if he offers are just 2nd rounders then he is gonna tell them to F off, quality backup is important and you roll the dice only if there is a 1st involved and some chance Id say.

Yeah I disagree with this. Brady is the QB here. That will not change in 12 months. There is no realistic way to keep him beyond 2017.
You probably can't trade him next year.
Sure, there is value to every player even if they don't play, but 2 2nds for example, is a hell of a lot more than nothing, and a hell of a lot more than what Jimmy G would contribute in his only remaining year.

 

[The Gr8est]

The Skins traded for the #2 pick, not the player. Unfortunately in the NFL, the #2 pick (even though you are drafting an unproven talent) is worth more than a back up QB who has shown some flashes of elite QB potential in actual NFL playing time.

Actually the Skins traded it for a QB. Since Luck and RG3 were both coming out they were guaranteed to get one of them.

There are no similar QB talents in this draft.

 

[Ring 6]

Yeah I heard the same thing when Brady came in for Bledsoe. It is pretty damn clear he is a great QB. Obviously you don't think so, if it takes you as long as it took most people to see how good Brady was I can't help you.

I certainly hope you are one of those people that overuses the word great.

 

[Ring 6]

Jaguars 4th pick. Remember, you heard it here 1st.

Zero chance

 

[The Gr8est]

I don't know why people keep equating JG to prospects picked high in the draft.

Sure there's the uncertainty factor but JG is also 5 years older than they are, has played in Belichick's system, a system that let's face it has not produced top QB talent that has left for other teams and has success unless you call Hoyer and Cassel successes.. and unlike the draft picks, JG will be a FA next winter.

JG will be 26 in November. Tom Brady was a 3 time Super Bowl champion at that age.

If the Browns or Bears are dumb enough to trade for JG with a straight swap of #1 or #3 then I won't complain

Actually I DO consider Cassell and Hoyer successes. They can't all be GOATs. Is the standard for success that the QBs need to be top 10 QBs?

Two years ago in one week there were 4 games with Pats-connected QBs starting games; Brady, Cassell, Hoyer, and Mallett.

 

[Nehalem]

JG will be 26 in November. Tom Brady was a 3 time Super Bowl champion at that age.

Incorrect. Tom Brady didn't win his 3rd Super Bowl ring until his age 27 season.

In fact JG has more Super Bowl rings at age 25 than Brady

 

[sb1]

Incorrect. Tom Brady didn't win his 3rd Super Bowl ring until his age 27 season.

In fact JG has more Super Bowl rings at age 25 than Brady

Ah, that is correct. He was 27 at the start of that season. 2-time then. My bad. LOL

I wonder if there's a stat somewhere for rings as a backup.

 

[Nehalem]

Actually I DO consider Cassell and Hoyer successes. They can't all be GOATs. Is the standard for success that the QBs need to be top 10 QBs?

Two years ago in one week there were 4 games with Pats-connected QBs statting games; Brady, Cassell, Hoyer, and Mallett.

Brian Hoyer went 10-6 as a starter for the Cleveland Browns. If you look at JG as a better Hoyer, than as a Browns fan I am getting excited.