What a weird performance from Brady

[LivinLovin&Breathin_Brady]

??????

The ball was thrown in front of Floyd (whether bad throw or Floyd not running the route properly, who knows). He had to lunge forward for it and it ticked off his hand.



As one of my co-workers likes to say -- you're smokin' crack. For one thing, Edelman set the franchise postseason receptions record before that INT.

You sound so petty right now.

Are you really trying to argue about whether the ball was behind or in front of Floyd? The ball was off-target, that was my point.

To your second point, I was simply trying coming up with any excuse for why Tom Brady would be stupid enough to force a ball to little Edelman who was covered in defenders from every angle, maybe he was worried about the all-time reception record.

You know Brady is going to target Edelman about 10 times next week too and when he forces something and turns the ball over, I will be complain about it, as usual.

 

[mgcolby]

Don't be too quick to trade Jimmy G. We have been struggling the first half most of the season even against weak teams like Jets, SF and etc.

Do you watch the game? The Pats are 2nd in the league in 1st half points scored behind Atlanta.

 

[AvocadoIceCream]

No, I mean weird. when you're deadly accurate 30 yards away but inaccurate 7 yards away, that is weird.

You're not giving him credit for his hail Mary passes, I hope? Those were brutal

 

[upstater1]

You're not giving him credit for his hail Mary passes, I hope? Those were brutal

Why were they brutal? Other people get credited for the same exact thing. All morning long people have been saying Hail Marys are the greatest things ever.

Besides, those were only 2 plays. What about the deadly accurate throws 30 yards across the field long before a WR even broke on them--deadly accurate, perfect throws. He did that multiple times.

How else do you think he averaged 15 yards per completion?

 

[bormio]

You're not giving him credit for his hail Mary passes, I hope? Those were brutal

There was nothing wrong with those passes - particularly the one to Edelman. Heck, he waved for Edelman to go deeper before hitting him with a strike. People call it brutal because it is out of character with what we normally do - but that was what Houston was giving us. As an aside, Edelman really has learned how to play WR - that was the sweetest "professional" pushoff to get separation.

 

[Bonzo]

Counterpoint:

1. To give credit where it's due: the Texans D played really well. That's a playoff defense, period.
   
   
2. Credit Brady and especially McDaniels for having the courage to beat the Texans' pressure by going vertical and making our gains in chunks. That is super out of character.
   
   
3. Furthermore credit Edelman for making some really sensational catches and bailing Tom out of a couple throws that had a bit too much air under them (in part b/c he had trouble stepping into his throws due to the pressure). In particular, there was the one that was sort of a jump ball. Edelman got away with what was probably an OPI; but even if it had been called, it still beats the hell out of an INT! With that dude scrapping out there like that, no wonder Tom trusts his so much!

I feel pretty okay about a team where the other 52 players are good enough that, even on a lousy day at QB, we double the opponent's point production.

 

[AvocadoIceCream]

Why were they brutal? Other people get credited for the same exact thing. All morning long people have been saying Hail Marys are the greatest things ever.

Besides, those were only 2 plays. What about the deadly accurate throws 30 yards across the field long before a WR even broke on them--deadly accurate, perfect throws. He did that multiple times.

How else do you think he averaged 15 yards per completion?

It was probably his worst game all season... that's all I'm saying

 

[RobertWeathers]

It was probably his worst game all season... that's all I'm saying

It was his worst game. Its not debatable.

To put it in perspective I bet 90% of the QBs who have every played would be happy with it.

For Tom, you can see how BS he was after the game.

I don't expect to see that again.

 

[70Dart]

He threw into coverage on the second INT, he missed a short one to Edelman during white knuckle time, he was jittery from getting pummeled, I blame Floyd for INT one because he stopped running, but...

Brady was money downfield. Even on the passes that were dropped by Bennett and I forget who. I mean, he was throwing some great passes 20 yards downfield.

But short passes? He had a pretty bad game.

I want Mitchell back. ASAP.

The offensive line wasn't giving him a whole lot of time to make plays either. Brady was hit 8 times? and sacked twice? I think those are the numbers. He only completed 18 of his 38 passes. At any other time, a QB held under 50% passing is going to lose. We had the benefit of playing a weak offense, but Brady still managed to have an almost 300 yard passing performance. Bottom line, the Offensive line will need to play better next week.
As for the Floyd interception. It could go either way, did he slow down, did Brady throw it just a touch to far ahead of him? Who knows, I do know this, Floyd is paid to catch the football, it looked like a catchable ball from where we were sitting. Hopefully the jitters are gone, we can't lay down and underestimate the Steelers.

 

[Ring 6]

I hate to give such a generic answer but it really was a bit of everything.

Good D meets + meh QB play + meh blocking + WRs not making some catches they could have = inconsistent offense.

Actually the QB play was very good.
The answer is, defense takes away high percentage plays and forces offense into deeper, slower developing plays, results in many big plays, added pressure (and therefore the part of good QBing known as throwing the ball away when no one is open and you are facing a sack) so its a DIFFERENT offense, and aside from uncharacteristic turnovers on fluky plays, ultimately pretty much just as successful.

 

[Ring 6]

It was his worst game. Its not debatable.

To put it in perspective I bet 90% of the QBs who have every played would be happy with it.

For Tom, you can see how BS he was after the game.

I don't expect to see that again.

He was pissed because he turned the ball over. Take away the fluky ints, and recognize what the defense is doing, and Brady played like he always plays, but in this case rather than high percentage short passes, he needed to throw lower percentage deeper ones.
He beat what the defense did, just as he always does. If he tried to play like he did say vs Miami, it would not have been as good.

 

[Deus Irae]

You sound so petty right now.

Are you really trying to argue about whether the ball was behind or in front of Floyd? The ball was off-target, that was my point.

To your second point, I was simply trying coming up with any excuse for why Tom Brady would be stupid enough to force a ball to little Edelman who was covered in defenders from every angle, maybe he was worried about the all-time reception record.

You know Brady is going to target Edelman about 10 times next week too and when he forces something and turns the ball over, I will be complain about it, as usual.

Whether that ball was in front of Floyd, or behind, is a huge difference, and it weakened your argument when you got it wrong. And someone pointing out that significant error is not being petty. They are getting an important detail correct.

 

[Ring 6]

With 5:56 left in the 3rd quarter Brady had thrown for 274 yards.
Houston defended the short areas and made Brady throw deep, and he did that.
Had the game been close he would have ended up with 400. Take away the 2 fluky picks, and it was Brady taking what the defense was giving.
Just because what they are giving is different than what normally happens doesn't mean brady didn't play well, but this game probably showed why other teams don't play him that way.

 

[SVN]

As per WEEI just now Brady has 30 interceptions in 32 playoff games and 9 in the last 6 games or some stat like that with them underling that brady has had average playoff games in recent times.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

As per WEEI just now Brady has 30 interceptions in 32 playoff games and 9 in the last 6 games or some stat like that with them underling that brady has had average playoff games in recent times.

yes, just like his SB MVP performance.

Putting his interception total into context, he is averaging 1 per playoff game. He has thrown a lot of picks because he has played in so many games in the playoffs.

 

[upstater1]

You sound so petty right now.

Are you really trying to argue about whether the ball was behind or in front of Floyd? The ball was off-target, that was my point.

To your second point, I was simply trying coming up with any excuse for why Tom Brady would be stupid enough to force a ball to little Edelman who was covered in defenders from every angle, maybe he was worried about the all-time reception record.

You know Brady is going to target Edelman about 10 times next week too and when he forces something and turns the ball over, I will be complain about it, as usual.

Ball was on target. Floyd stopped running then got alligator arms.

 

[RobertWeathers]

He was pissed because he turned the ball over. Take away the fluky ints, and recognize what the defense is doing, and Brady played like he always plays, but in this case rather than high percentage short passes, he needed to throw lower percentage deeper ones.
He beat what the defense did, just as he always does. If he tried to play like he did say vs Miami, it would not have been as good.

Yep. None of his throws were complete brain farts. I think he was inaccurate on a handful of throws most likely due to the tight man to man coverage, the receiver not being in the right place at the right time and the pressure (and coverage) was forcing him off his timing.

 

[patsfanincleveland]

I think the negativity comes from the fact they we're not used to seeing the Patriots consistently hurt themselves with TO's, bad penalties, poorly executed plays etc.
Had they been playing a better QB/offense this game could have had a very different outcome.
The good thing is this will only help the Patriots going forward.
A clean, easy blowout serves no purpose for the Patriots in preparation for the better opponents they'll face coming up.
There is lots of bad film for this team to look at and improve on and Bill Belichick has a big smile on his face right now. He will not have a problem fighting his teams over confidence and getting their attention this week.

This actually about sums it up.

The 16 yards per completion is actually the key stat. You don't need a high completion percentage when completing passes like that.

387 yards and 27 points in basically a half isn't too bad.

Besides who left in the tournament can actually replicate what Houston did?

It's also very clear, we have the superior defense left in the tournament.

 

[Ring 6]

Yep. None of his throws were complete brain farts. I think he was inaccurate on a handful of throws most likely due to the tight man to man coverage, the receiver not being in the right place at the right time and the pressure (and coverage) was forcing him off his timing.

I didn't really see inaccurate. I saw a high number of throw aways and a high number of low percentage throws.
The farther you throw it, the less likely you are to complete it, so all completion percentages are not equal.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I didn't really see inaccurate. I saw a high number of throw aways and a high number of low percentage throws.
The farther you throw it, the less likely you are to complete it, so all completion percentages are not equal.

I'd be interesting to see the distance of each throw and compare that to his 2016 average for each distance.

Yep. I bet he hit the average for 25+ yard throws but was clearly lower on the intermediate ones.