According to Jason Cole, teams are alreadying vying for Garoppolo!

[RobertWeathers]

Do you go by Walters Football Chart?
Walters Football Site: NFL Draft Value Chart

Thought i read somewhere that teams no longer use this system but something else?

 

[nabwong]

It's hard to look at Bortles regression and see a winner. There's not a ton of QBs in the league's history who have regressed and then recovered. But the league is full of guys like RG3, Vince Young, Osweiler, et al who have had a decent to good year, started to suck and never recovered.

There certainly aren't many examples. I can think of Romo, Alex Smith, Kerry Collins, and Warner.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I've seen that suggested elsewhere too.

I have as well.

That is not an option because I said so.

 

[Captain Cliche]

There's one other factor at play here:
Durability.
Jimmy G only started 2 games and went down.
If you're the Pats do you factor that into your decision if a good offer comes up??

Absolutely a guess on my part, but Brissett looks to be one tough SOB.
Didn't he get hammered throught out his college career??

 

[rochrist]

There's one other factor at play here:
Durability.
Jimmy G only started 2 games and went down.
If you're the Pats do you factor that into your decision if a good offer comes up??

Absolutely a guess on my part, but Brissett looks to be one tough SOB.
Didn't he get hammered throught out his college career??

Yes, because two games is absolutely all you need to determine that!!!!

 

[fnordcircle]

I have as well.

That is not an option because I said so.

I think what upsets me about it is that it kind of makes sense. Brady plays for the hometown to round out his career - so it's not like he's shipped off to ****ing Minnesota or something. Josh and Brady are tight. It would give that franchise a huge lift in terms of fan interest. It solves the JimmyG problem and the Patriots would get a good haul of draft picks.

I hate the entire idea.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I think what upsets me about it is that it kind of makes sense. Brady plays for the hometown to round out his career - so it's not like he's shipped off to ****ing Minnesota or something. Josh and Brady are tight. It would give that franchise a huge lift in terms of fan interest. It solves the JimmyG problem and the Patriots would get a good haul of draft picks.

I hate the entire idea.

I'll go totally rogue on this with a little history supporting my crazy conspiracy theory.

Back in 1988, the NHL Board of Governors gave the LA Kings major (under the table) revenue sharing considerations so they can pay/afford Wayne Gretzky to play in a major US market.

In LA and SF, you have two franchises in top 5 markets that completely suck and with new stadiums.

It would not surprise me at all if Bend Over Bob cut a deal with Goody, Kroenke or York to send Brady to the West Coast for a boatload of whatever.

Hes sold out the fans before. Whats stopping him as long as the Pats continue to win?

 

[HawaiianPatsfan]

Jason Cole should replace the dude for the Hotels.com commercials. "Captin Obvious". I swear, I don't understand how that guy has a job. 95% of his "insider reports" are **** that is CLEARLY Obvious to anyone who remotely follows the game, and the other 5% are this "reports" where things are more than likely to happen just based on logic. Cris Sims is a joke, but cole is even worse than him. Bleacher report has a good website, but their staff is such Garbage. Don't even get me started on Freeman. Cole though, **** that clown.

 

[BradyFTW!]

I don't think chalking it all up as sunk cost works in this scenario. There's a lot of other factors.

There's only a sunk cost from the owner's standpoint. The GM and scouts? If they declare Bortles a bust they're done. The only shot they have is that he turns it around.

And from the owner's standpoint I think there's more than just sunk cost - there's also the PR aspect and doubtlessly a little pride at stake here too. Sometimes it's really hard for people to admit they're wrong.

That's all true, but it's a separate (albeit related) set of issues. Drafting, developing, and paying Bortles is a sunk cost. What you've described doesn't contradict that, but is basically the standard list of petty, stupid, prideful, and/or self-serving reasons why people double down on the wrong decision rather than making the right one.

 

[mgcolby]

There's one other factor at play here:
Durability.
Jimmy G only started 2 games and went down.
If you're the Pats do you factor that into your decision if a good offer comes up??

Absolutely a guess on my part, but Brissett looks to be one tough SOB.
Didn't he get hammered throught out his college career??

Rodgers broke his elbow against us in relief of Favre and had another broken bone in relief before taking the reigns full time (if I'm not mistaken on the 2nd injury).

 

[fnordcircle]

That's all true, but it's a separate (albeit related) set of issues. Drafting, developing, and paying Bortles is a sunk cost. What you've described doesn't contradict that, but is basically the standard list of petty, stupid, prideful, and/or self-serving reasons why people double down on the wrong decision rather than making the right one.

I didn't mean to imply that it contradicts that, just that it's a little glib to say 'sunk cost, idiots!'. I'm not even saying their reasons are good ones, just that it's more than that.

 

[ForThoseAboutToRock]

I think what upsets me about it is that it kind of makes sense. Brady plays for the hometown to round out his career - so it's not like he's shipped off to ****ing Minnesota or something. Josh and Brady are tight. It would give that franchise a huge lift in terms of fan interest. It solves the JimmyG problem and the Patriots would get a good haul of draft picks.

I hate the entire idea.

I thought you were perma-banned? WELCOME TO MY IGNORE LIST

 

[jah]

I thought you were perma-banned? WELCOME TO MY IGNORE LIST

Do you ignore everyone who posts something you disagree with?

 

[OhExaulted1]

Depends how high. By high i mean top 7 or higher.

1 first round pick can be worth more than 3 or even 4 other first round picks and if we get one that is really high i would look to trade down to multiple first round picks.

The Browns have #12 and #52. Adding those 2 would equal about the 7th pick on most charts.

 

[patchick]

Thought i read somewhere that teams no longer use this system but something else?

For a while the "Jimmy Johnson chart" was out of whack in weighing the very top of the 1st round, because of the skyrocketing salaries involved. There was huge risk in giving massive $$ to untested players. But with the rookie cap in place it's a good estimate of trade values.

 

[ForThoseAboutToRock]

Do you ignore everyone who posts something you disagree with?

Did you note to whom I'm responding? @fnordcircle is a treasure. I'm just goofing. His forum signature for much of the last year was a big shiny "WELCOME TO MY IGNORE LIST" and his Supporter custom text said something about being banned...

That all being said I don't want Brady to be traded and would probably weep openly on the streets if it were to occur.

 

[Nikolai]

There's one other factor at play here:
Durability.
Jimmy G only started 2 games and went down.
If you're the Pats do you factor that into your decision if a good offer comes up??

Absolutely a guess on my part, but Brissett looks to be one tough SOB.

I see what you're saying, but Nick Saban thought the same thing about Drew Brees and look where that got him. The point is, it's pretty difficult to project injury probabilities into the future with a young person like Jimmy G. It's not like the Romo situation.

Didn't he get hammered throught out his college career??

Most of us did.

 

[NormZauchin]

I doubt that Brady would be happy with a move to any west coast team, with or without Josh. Such a trade would virtually eliminate any chance of his winning additional titles, could possibly result in losing seasons thus tarnishing his legacy, and, finally, might get him killed behind a crappy offensive line. If informed that he was being traded, he might just say "I'm retiring."

 

[RayClay]

It's hard to look at Bortles regression and see a winner. There's not a ton of QBs in the league's history who have regressed and then recovered. But the league is full of guys like RG3, Vince Young, Osweiler, et al who have had a decent to good year, started to suck and never recovered.

Our own Jim Plunkett possibly being the gold standard

 

[RayClay]

There's one other factor at play here:
Durability.
Jimmy G only started 2 games and went down.
If you're the Pats do you factor that into your decision if a good offer comes up??

Absolutely a guess on my part, but Brissett looks to be one tough SOB.
Didn't he get hammered throught out his college career??

I don't know. Maybe we should body slam Brisset right on his throwing shoulder, them make him throw.

I'm thinking any qb who ever played might want to avoid future surgery by letting it heal.

Playing Could Put Jimmy Garoppolo At Risk For More Severe Shoulder Injury