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When did I say not to? I am pointing out that YOU agree he is better equipped to make the decision and has more information at his disposal. To imply you can consistently pick his mistakes implies you do not agree with that and you know better..


You seem to have trouble and/or are dumfounded by the fact that I can respect Bill’s overall football intelligence as being vastly greater than our own and yet still disagree with some of his moves. It’s really not all that crazy. After all, he is still human. When he does make mistakes it’s not that crazy to think that intelligent football fans would be able to spot them.


Of the things I listed, I actually agree with his actions in most cases…

  1. I’m more in favor of the Philly onside kick than not – but don’t care either way.

  2. I strongly supported the decision to kick at NYJ.

  3. I hated the gameplan against Miami.

  4. I could care less about the letters he writes.

  5. I’d rather still have Collins and Jones to help Brady win another championship (even knowing they’d walk the next year).
The point is that he is NOT above questioning even as great as he is. If I had to defend one of the moves he made (like one of the ones I agree with above) my response wouldn’t be “Bill is Bill so he must have done what is right and you are wrong.” That’s my point.
 
The Dolphins game is one big mystery to me and I have no idea what was going on inside the building. The team appeared unprepared and not focused. Yes, we were missing key players but that game was borderline embarrassing and I agree with everyone critizising the coaching staff for it.


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See...this is my point. He is not above questioning. It's not like you have NO right to disagree with his gameplan just b/c he knows more. Like you I agree wiht most of the other items. I just think it's fine to have a discussion and not end with "well, if it's Bill's call then it must be right"
 
See...this is my point. He is not above questioning. It's not like you have NO right to disagree with his gameplan just b/c he knows more. Like you I agree wiht most of the other items. I just think it's fine to have a discussion and not end with "well, if it's Bill's call then it must be right"

I get that. But you are coming to conclusions after Collins has been gone for 1 game. That is not reasonable.
 
You seem to have trouble and/or are dumfounded by the fact that I can respect Bill’s overall football intelligence as being vastly greater than our own and yet still disagree with some of his moves. It’s really not all that crazy. After all, he is still human. When he does make mistakes it’s not that crazy to think that intelligent football fans would be able to spot them.


Of the things I listed, I actually agree with his actions in most cases…

  1. I’m more in favor of the Philly onside kick than not – but don’t care either way.

  2. I strongly supported the decision to kick at NYJ.

  3. I hated the gameplan against Miami.

  4. I could care less about the letters he writes.

  5. I’d rather still have Collins and Jones to help Brady win another championship (even knowing they’d walk the next year).
The point is that he is NOT above questioning even as great as he is. If I had to defend one of the moves he made (like one of the ones I agree with above) my response wouldn’t be “Bill is Bill so he must have done what is right and you are wrong.” That’s my point.
But the person who answer that bill must be right will be correct more than you.
That's the point.
You seem to think I am saying you can't guess. I am not but I am saying if you second guess belichick you will be wrong more than right. You admit that when you say he knows more than you.

You seem to be saying he knows more than you except when you know he's wrong then you know more.
 
I get that. But you are coming to conclusions after Collins has been gone for 1 game. That is not reasonable.

That's our sample size at the moment. I, too, hope it turns out ok.
 
The biggest loss on the defensive side of the ball from 2015 to 2016 isn't Collins or Jones... it's Hicks. The Patriots BADLY miss what he brought to the table.

CB/interior pass rush are my #1 priority in this years draft depending whos available for us. Int p.r. is 2nd only to QB for me.

QB
Int pass rush
LT
Edge
CB
Int oline
LB
S
WR
RB
 
When you think about the 2014 team you really start to appreciate how things need to come togetehr to win a Super Bowl.

After all, I think we all look back at that team and think about how great both our offense and defense were. Yet it's still crazy to think that even as perfect as those units were we were still 1 yard away from coming up short.
 
To classify it as luck would insinuate that we as fans have absolutely no knowledge of the game and or strategy to even formulate a logical opinion...which I would disagree with.

So because Bill is Bill and we are merel3y only fans we can't even merely discuss things like........

1.) If an onside kick against Philly was the right move?

2.) if electing to kick in OT against hte Jets was the right move?

3.) if the entire gameplan against the Dolphins in the season finale was the right move?

5.) If letting go of Jamie Collins and/or Chandler Jones was the right move

....because Bill has so much more knowledge than us.

Please, this is a fan forum, we're supposed to have these discussions. If not, what are we doing here?

It's ok to ask questions about those things, but the problem is that it's always done in hindsight after we already know the end result

If the Saints in their SB against the Colts failed to recover the onside kick they opened the second half with, they would have ultimately lost the SB and everyone would be saying what a ridiculously idiotic call that was

Sometimes you need to have a set of stones on you and play super aggressively.. sometimes it works out and you're declared a genius, with women throwing their panties at you everywhere you go (at least how I picture it going down, don't tell my wife), but sometimes it doesn't work out and you look like an idiot

There isn't a person alive or dead that has coached perfectly their entire career, or made the correct decision with every player on their roster... there are successes and failures in the ultra competitive business of football and I feel good knowing that we have one of the greatest football minds in the history of the game coaching our team and making those decisions..

So when they work out, I'll take a xanax and celebrate... and when they don't work out, I'll take 10 xanax, 10 shots of whiskey and cry with my blankey for a night, then pick myself up and move on with my life.. because I know that BB hits and has successes much more than he misses or has failures

Im ALMOST over the Collins trade.. this loss didn't exactly help me move on. . and I can understand his long term reason for doing it, but I still don't understand the short term.. I feel like having a player like Collins, even if you had to change his roll and just have him rush the passer would have been more valuable to the team and it's chances of winning a 5th superbowl compared to the late 3rd round (or possibly 4th rounder) that we got from Cleveland.. that's how I feel and it bothers me a lot, but I know that if I had a Genie Lamp and could pick anyone to be the coach/GM of this team, I would use my wish on a mountain of coke and hookers (don't tell the wife) because there is no one else id want other than BB
 
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It's ok to ask questions about those things, but the problem is that it's always done in hindsight after we already know the end result

I think you aren't giving the people on this board enough credit. Sure, there will be those who base their opinions on the end result, but I think many others can look at it objectively at the time the decision is being made (as if they didn't know the result). For instance, I still strongly support kicking off against the Jets in OT last year and still strongly support going for it on 4th and 2 aginst the Colts in 09.


Sometimes you need to have a set of stones on you and play super aggressively.. sometimes it works out and you're declared a genius, with women throwing their panties at you everywhere you go (at least how I picture it going down, don't tell my wife), but sometimes it doesn't work out and you look like an idiot
Agreed, I wish the defense would play aggressive.

There isn't a person alive or dead that has coached perfectly their entire career, or made the correct decision with every player on their roster... there are successes and failures in the ultra competitive business of football and I feel good knowing that we have one of the greatest football minds in the history of the game coaching our team and making those decisions..
Absolutely agree here. Everyone makes mistakes, and we should be free to discuss and have our own opinions. I just hate it when people try to end the discussion with 'well BB is smarter than you so whatever your opinion is must be wrong'.



Im ALMOST over the Collins trade.. this loss didn't exactly help me move on. . and I can understand his long term reason for doing it, but I still don't understand the short term.. I feel like having a player like Collins, even if you had to change his roll and just have him rush the passer would have been more valuable to the team and it's chances of winning a 5th superbowl compared to the late 3rd round (or possibly 4th rounder) that we got from Cleveland.. that's how I feel and it bothers me a lot, but I know that if I had a Genie Lamp and could pick anyone to be the coach/GM of this team, I would use my wish on a mountain of coke and hookers (don't tell the wife) because there is no one else id want other than BB

Agree again, I hope my "I think BB may have been wrong on this call or that decision" doesn't translate to "I think he should be fired".

So it sounds like we agree on many things but you're probably just phrasing it much better than I.
 
I'm curious. If Brady doesn't fumble the snap, or Blount gets 2 feet more, or Gronk separates earlier, their GREAT defense gives up the same 31 our PATHETIC one did.
I don't understand that.
We are supposed to complete 70% of passes for 10 yards an attempt against a 'great' D but our D is horrible when it allows about the same thing?

Apples and oranges.
NE D is not defending against the NE O.
SEA D is not defending against the SEA O.
 
There was no onside kick in this game. If you mean the dropkick then we gave up 10-15 yards of space in exchange for maybe catching the opponent off guard. Was it necessary ? Nope. Was it arrogant ? Perhaps. Is it the cause for losing that game like so many claim ? Definitely not.

Not to mention that if Ebner had kicked it where he was supposed to NE very likely would have gotten the ball back.
 
Apples and oranges.
NE D is not defending against the NE O.
SEA D is not defending against the SEA O.

That's absolutely fair. But then at the same time it is also fair to point out that Seattle's O has gotten better compared to the last few games. Otherwise I wonder why the same people that dismiss the PPG statistic for our D, can use Seattle's past offensive performances as some kind of indicator how potent their offense is now.
 
Apples and oranges.
NE D is not defending against the NE O.
SEA D is not defending against the SEA O.
We are still talking about how they played. They played about the same and over the course of the season have also played about the same
 
Seattle had one of the worst offenses in the league. They scored 12, 6, and 3 points in three of their games before Sunday. Giving up 31 to them is far different than giving up 24 to a healthy Patriots offense playing at home.

Anyone arguing otherwise, well, there's no hope for them.

Well I'm going to argue otherwise.

If you're just looking at the numbers you aren't seeing the whole picture.
  • Wilson was hurt and now he's healthy. For a mobile QB that means a lot for everyone involved.
  • They've been running the ball all year with the underwhelming Christine Michael who they just outright released. His most productive game was 111 yards total offense against San Fran in week 3.
  • They just started turning to a much more dynamic running back in Prosise. 153 total yards last Sunday in his first start.
And now they have a healthy Rawls coming back. I think of it as if we've been running the ball with Bolden all year, then decided to turn to Dion midway through the season and then got a healthy Blount back the week after.

Offensively, this team is much improved from just two weeks ago and is just going to be getting better. Looking at their schedule it wouldn't surprise me if they run the table for the rest of the year.
 
Seattle- 17.0 points allowed per game
NE- 17.9

Seattle- 335.6 yards allowed per game
NE- 353.2

Seattle- 235.5 passing yards allowed per game
NE- 253.6

Seattle- 100.2 rushing yards allowed per game
NE- 99.5

Seattle- 42.7% on 3rd down
NE- 41.3%


Seattle also allowed Ryan Fitzpatrick and the jests to score 17 points and put up 310 yards. But as usual on here Pats allowing 17 points and 330 yards to the jests is proof they are bad but Seattle allowing 17 points and 310 yards is a evidence of a great defense. AND no Eric Decker didn't play against Seattle.
 
Seattle's D lost to Tampa Bay yesterday. No help from the Seattle offense, but when Tampa Bay's offense outscores Seattle's offense at least part of the (credit) goes to the Seattle defense.
 
Seattle also allowed Ryan Fitzpatrick and the jests to score 17 points and put up 310 yards. But as usual on here Pats allowing 17 points and 330 yards to the jests is proof they are bad but Seattle allowing 17 points and 310 yards is a evidence of a great defense. AND no Eric Decker didn't play against Seattle.

to be fair to the seahawks, the jets scored on one absolutely fluky play where avril sacked fitzpatrick and forced a fumble. the seattle players thought it was an incomplete forward pass so they just stood around thinking the play was dead, but a jets player picked it up and ran it in for a score:

Watch Seattle Seahawks vs. New York Jets [10/02/2016] - NFL.com

so discounting that fluky play, the seahawks D only gave up 10 points to the jets.
 
Seattle- 17.0 points allowed per game
NE- 17.9

Seattle- 335.6 yards allowed per game
NE- 353.2

Seattle- 235.5 passing yards allowed per game
NE- 253.6

Seattle- 100.2 rushing yards allowed per game
NE- 99.5

Seattle- 42.7% on 3rd down
NE- 41.3%


Seattle also allowed Ryan Fitzpatrick and the jests to score 17 points and put up 310 yards. But as usual on here Pats allowing 17 points and 330 yards to the jests is proof they are bad but Seattle allowing 17 points and 310 yards is a evidence of a great defense. AND no Eric Decker didn't play against Seattle.
You left out the eye test which clearly shows the numbers are a fraud and Seattle is the best defense in the NFL and the Patriots are the worst.
 
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