PATS TRADE JAMIE COLLINS!!!

[Bradyking12]

Yea I don't think that game would go well.

It wouldn't be 43-8 but maybe 28-13ish.....

No Gronk as well, we put up only 16 against Denver that was when their defense wasn't all that let alone compared to Seattle's

 

[chris_in_sunnyvale]

Coincidentally, I went back today and watched the 4th quarter of SB49, because that's something that can always be counted on to put a smile on my face. If you go back to the last Seattle drive, the defense was--as you said--a Butler goal line INT from collapsing in the last 2 minutes.

The bolded is the overlooked dirty secret...that BB's Patriots defenses have collapsed in the last 2 minutes of every Super Bowl. I admit I'm shoehorning the Greg Lewis TD in SB39 into this claim, but one out of six doesn't nullify the overall sentiment. Anyway, I digress...

Regards,
Chris

 

[Deus Irae]

We make SB48 and we get butt raped like Denver imo

Brady doesn't **** himself the way Peyton did, which means the Patriots would have had a shot.

 

[chris_in_sunnyvale]

Brady doesn't **** himself the way Peyton did, which means the Patriots would have had a shot.

Emphasis on "the way" Peyton did. No, Brady doesn't put up that kind of stink bomb, but Brady didn't exactly play too well vs. Denver in that Gronkless game. I had a hard time then and still do now thinking the Pats had a real shot against Seattle. I don't consider 2013 a missed opportunity like I do the 2006 and 2015 AFCCGs.

Regards,
Chris

 

[Bradyking12]

Brady doesn't **** himself the way Peyton did, which means the Patriots would have had a shot.

No way in hell we would of had a shot, now with Gronkowski, possibly but even then unlikely, our issues in '13 we're bigger than just Gronk being out for the year

 

[PF_SU]

The bolded is the overlooked dirty secret...that BB's Patriots defenses have collapsed in the last 2 minutes of every Super Bowl. I admit I'm shoehorning the Greg Lewis TD in SB39 into this claim, but one out of six doesn't nullify the overall sentiment. Anyway, I digress...

XXXVIII was quite a strange game. You had both defenses absolutely dominating for the first 25 minutes. And then all hell breaks loose with 24 points in the last five minutes of the second quarter. Then both teams go scoreless the entire third and combine for 37 points in the fourth (although the Patriots drive for the first points of the second half began late in the third).

 

[Wheelman]

Hybrid my ass!

Collins gets owned rushing from the edge. Hightower is the better edge rusher. Collins was dominant rushing thru the A gap.

 

[RobertWeathers]

XXXVIII was quite a strange game. You had both defenses absolutely dominating for the first 25 minutes. And then all hell breaks loose with 24 points in the last five minutes of the second quarter. Then both teams go scoreless the entire third and combine for 37 points in the fourth (although the Patriots drive for the first points of the second half began late in the third).

Yea it was very weird.

While I think SEA wins by a couple of TDs, BB and TB12 would manage the game well enough to keep it reasonable in the early 4th qtr. say 21-10. In the end, I;d be too much Lynch and too much of that SEA defense.

 

[PF_SU]

Hybrid my ass!

Collins gets owned rushing from the edge. Hightower is the better edge rusher. Collins was dominant rushing thru the A gap.

That's the way to go if he wants to get close to making some $15 million per. Let his agent hype him up, good for him if he gets paid.

As for pass rushing ability, I think Hightower is the superior rusher, both from the edge and via the A gaps. Collins is the all-around knife you use in space while Hightower is the hammer near the LOS.

 

[Froob]

We make SB48 and we get butt raped like Denver imo

I think they're move competitive because they aren't as mentally weak as the donkeys but yeah Seattle wins by two scores for sure.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Hybrid my ass!

Collins gets owned rushing from the edge. Hightower is the better edge rusher. Collins was dominant rushing thru the A gap.

I'm going to give Collins the benefit of the doubt and assume that's what he's referring to - that he's a strong blitzer, which is a lot different than claiming you're a strong edge rusher. It's an extremely valuable skill that has led to a lot of big plays for us, so I think it's reasonable to point to it in contract negotiations. But it's also a skill that teams don't pay nearly as much for, because an A gap blitzer can't influence the game with anywhere near the regularity that an edge rusher can.

But if there are teams willing to pay him elite edge rusher money, then... good for him, I guess. Just another annual reminder that there are some truly stupid front offices around the league. If he ends up getting Von Miller money, I'm glad someone else is paying it.

 

[PF_SU]

But if there are teams willing to pay him elite edge rusher money, then... good for him, I guess? Just another annual reminder that there are some truly stupid front offices around the league. If he ends up getting Von Miller money, I'm glad someone else is paying it.

I doubt he'll get anywhere close to Von Miller money, but I can see somebody signing him for a bigger amount than what Kuechly got, both in average per and guaranteed money. Something like five-year $68 million with $30 million guaranteed.

 

[DaBruinz]

Yes if they sign more than they lose then you don't get any comp picks, but they will almost certainly lose more than they sign because they have 14 players destined to become UFA!

After the Season the following Pats are set to become UFA:
Hightower
Bennett
Sheard
Blount
Harmon
Bolden
Delevin
Cannon
Long
Scruggs
Vollmer
Mingo
Ryan
and they have an option on Branch that if they decline he too will become a UFA

What I'm saying is that even if the Pats resign a few of these guys, there is still enough talent there that will garner enough contracts to off set any players that the Pats would sign in Free Agency. Now keep in mind excluding the list about, the Pats already have 38 players signed for 2018, plus a draft class of at least 8 more.

The only thing that make sense about this trade is if the Pats they think they will easily reach the max 4 comp picks (without figuring in the loss of Collins) and they traded Collins away to get an additional pick. Because other than that, this trade makes no sense for either team.

I hope all this speculation is wrong and the pick is a "conditional" pick and the condition is that the Browns sign Collins long term. Because if its for a Compensation pick, the Pats will basically get nothing in return for Collins.

Where do you get that they will almost certainly lose more than they sign? With the exception of Bolden, Devlin, Vollmer, Scruggs and Mingo, all those players are key players on this team. Guys who see a majority of the snaps game in and game out. They sure as hell aren't going to be replaced by rookies. I can guarantee you that Bolden, Scruggs, and Devlin, if signed somewhere else, won't receive offers that qualify for Compensatory picks. They'll get vet minimum offers at best. Vollmer isn't likely to score a big deal because he's 32 and coming off a major injury.

The Patriots aren't going to lose all of them. I expect Hightower, Bennett, Sheard, Long and Cannon to re-sign. So, that bring us to Ryan, Harmon, and Blount. Hmm.. You actually believe that the Patriots won't sign 3 eligible UFA?? 3 guys to make more than 2M a pop.

 

[DaBruinz]

Where are you getting this info from?

It's what has been reported..

 

[deroc5050]

Regardless of what ever the reason he was basically off loaded for nothing.. Its an ugly part of the NFL, you watch a player develop and if he is to good or going to get to much money for his 2nd contract he is sent somewhere else. Its like don't get attached to players because they are here for there rookie deal and then most likely gone.

I think having Collins and Jones on the defense this year would have increased our chances of winning another super bowl. And if the pats defense blows it in the playoffs.. these moves should be highly criticised

 

[Froob]

Brady doesn't **** himself the way Peyton did, which means the Patriots would have had a shot.

True but it would have been a struggle. Cutting Lloyd probably wasn't the best decision. Not that he'd have been the get us over the hump guy but, we were really lacking recievers in Denver. Austin Collie was the only one getting open.

 

[Mack Herron]

A lot of negativity about losing Collins but the biggest reason may be the stunning ascension of Roberts. Perhaps BB saw the untenability of playing the rookie over the All Pro in a contract year.

 

[QuantumMechanic]

The bolded is the overlooked dirty secret...that BB's Patriots defenses have collapsed in the last 2 minutes of every Super Bowl. I admit I'm shoehorning the Greg Lewis TD in SB39 into this claim, but one out of six doesn't nullify the overall sentiment. Anyway, I digress...

In SB38 you had both Wilson and Harrison go out injured.

In SB49 I wouldn't call making a ridiculously lucky catch on a ball that Butler broke up "collapsing". Aside from Collins's massive mistake at the beginning of SEA's final drive, the defense had some nice pass breakups. I just checked the play-by-play on PFR and it was:

• SEA starts on own 20, 31 yd play to NE49 (Collins's mistake) (2:02)
• Butler breaks up a bomb to Kearse (1:55)
• Browner covers up Matthews on another bomb. (1:50)
• 11yd to Lockette to the NE38 to pick up the first down. (1:41)
• The ridiculousness to Kearse to the NE5. (1:14)
• Hightower stones Lynch at the NE1 (1:06)
• The Butler did it! (0:26)

 

[mosey threetupu]

Not gonna read all 37 pages but.....

How many times has a big trade where we lose a guy turned out to be a crusher? Zero?

I don't like it either but I trust BB

They win the 2006 SB if Branch is on the team. They got a 1st for him and used it on Merriweather.

 

[Tuck]

In SB38 you had both Wilson and Harrison go out injured.

In SB49 I wouldn't call making a ridiculously lucky catch on a ball that Butler broke up "collapsing". Aside from Collins's massive mistake at the beginning of SEA's final drive, the defense had some nice pass breakups. I just checked the play-by-play on PFR and it was:

• SEA starts on own 20, 31 yd play to NE49 (Collins's mistake) (2:02)
• Butler breaks up a bomb to Kearse (1:55)
• Browner covers up Matthews on another bomb. (1:50)
• 11yd to Lockette to the NE38 to pick up the first down. (1:41)
• The ridiculousness to Kearse to the NE5. (1:14)
• Hightower stones Lynch at the NE1 (1:06)
• The Butler did it! (0:26)

Thank you for pointing out Collins' meltdown in the SB. I had forgotten about that. Apparently Belichick has not.