OT: Chargers WR Parker likely out vs. Pats

[jcdavey]

Re: ot: chargers wr parker likely out vs pats

How is that laughable?
When you lose the best player you have at a position that is already weak, you have issues.
Without Caldwell, we would have had greater problems last year.

I dont understand your point. You lose your #1 receiver, have a bunch of nobodies behind him, and thats not a problem?
Do you think you dont need WRs?

Turner seems to be more concerned than you.

oh and turner would be concerned if it was anyone...standard coach speak, you know that

make up a list of guys you think getting hurt would really affect san diego's offense, and let me know where parker's name is on it

 

[jcdavey]

Re: ot: chargers wr parker likely out vs pats

You can say that all you want, but Parker was your #1 WR. YOU have concluded all on your own that guys who were sitting on the bench behind him, and a rookie that has shown nothing are now ahead of him.
How can Floyd be an upgrade to Parker if all along Parker played ahead of him.

Go ahead and think that a RB and TE can make WRs unneccesary. You will be very disappointed.

floyd got hurt, but i mean just take a look at parker's glowing td numbers last season compared to vj's and floyds...mister #1 wr lol

you said one right thing in your whole post, "was" ie 2006 yardage leader

i'm just letting you know, if you think san diego lost their 'best' wr, you're not sounding like a knowledgeable football fan....i mean i know you guys loathe other teams fans here, but i'd think you would dislike laboring under false ideas.

 

[Ring 6]

Re: ot: chargers wr parker likely out vs pats

the point is, in NE you guys can lose a guy like moss, or last year caldwell, and not have great problems because you have brady who can make any wr look better than they are...this is a fact , and we can lose a guy like parker and not have great problems, we have gates and 2 to 3 wrs who were expected to start ahead of parker, not to mention LT

face it.......of all the skilled players on offense, parker was way down the list of guys we didn't want getting a 10 week injury

It depends on your standards. Sure you can be a decent team without WRs. We were a good team with weakness at WR, but it cost us falling short of winning the SB.

You ALREADY have great problems at WR. Your pretense that you want 2-3 other guys to beat him out has nothing to do with this. Until otherwise shown (and please direct me to the articles and comments from the coaches that say Parker was beaten out by these nondescript options, and that he was demoted) you just lost your best WR.
Where we agree on MOST teams it wouldnt be much of a loss, because he isnt that good. On yours it could be devastating because he is the best you have.

Teams win by not having weaknesses to be exploited, teams lose because they have weaknesses exploited. Your weaknesses just got deeper.

By the way, if LT and Gates are all you need for an offense, why did you not win before 2006?

 

[jcdavey]

Re: ot: chargers wr parker likely out vs pats

It depends on your standards. Sure you can be a decent team without WRs. We were a good team with weakness at WR, but it cost us falling short of winning the SB.

You ALREADY have great problems at WR. Your pretense that you want 2-3 other guys to beat him out has nothing to do with this. Until otherwise shown (and please direct me to the articles and comments from the coaches that say Parker was beaten out by these nondescript options, and that he was demoted) you just lost your best WR.
Where we agree on MOST teams it wouldnt be much of a loss, because he isnt that good. On yours it could be devastating because he is the best you have.

Teams win by not having weaknesses to be exploited, teams lose because they have weaknesses exploited. Your weaknesses just got deeper.

By the way, if LT and Gates are all you need for an offense, why did you not win before 2006?

ypur avg wrs last year isn't what cost you in the colts game, you can point to caldwell's drop but i can point to gaffney's great td catch

the simple fact of last year's afccg loss is, you didn't put your foot on indy's throat, the same way sd didn't put it's foot on NE's throat when they had the chance, and we both paid for it

you had a 20-3 lead and those are games the NE D usually closes out with no problem, till last season

i mean, the fumbles into the end zone for both teams? that's something that usually happens only to NE opponents, not you guys too.

the ending fact is, you let a team like NE or indy stay alive too long, they burn ya

 

[jcdavey]

oh also, teams with weaknesses still win, indy had weaknesses last season and they won it all

alot of it is luck...whether you choose to believe that or not

ray lewis tipping a gift wrapped int on it's way to ed reed?

peyton throwing two gifts to law, and kc's anemic offense doing nothing with a worn down 400+ carry rb?

mccree not able to wrap up an int and not realizing troy brown was on the field? fumbles into the endzone?

you play on talent and get close to each other in score, but one or two lucky bounces can determine the winner

 

[Ring 6]

Re: ot: chargers wr parker likely out vs pats

floyd got hurt, but i mean just take a look at parker's glowing td numbers last season compared to vj's and floyds...mister #1 wr lol

you said one right thing in your whole post, "was" ie 2006 yardage leader

i'm just letting you know, if you think san diego lost their 'best' wr, you're not sounding like a knowledgeable football fan....i mean i know you guys loathe other teams fans here, but i'd think you would dislike laboring under false ideas.

I am wrong to say they lost their best, because they lost their TWO best.
Parker caught more passes than Floyd and Jackson COMBINED. In fact he caught more last year than they have COMBINED in their career.


You are just latching on to wishful thinking. You know your best WR sucks, so you have convinced yourself that the other guys who couldnt beat him out in the past are without question better. You are left right nwo with zero WRs of NFL starting quality. The fact that the one you lost wasnt of starting quality either doesnt mean you have no problems it means you had severe problemms to begin with and they just got worse.

 

[Ring 6]

oh also, teams with weaknesses still win, indy had weaknesses last season and they won it all

alot of it is luck...whether you choose to believe that or not

ray lewis tipping a gift wrapped int on it's way to ed reed?

peyton throwing two gifts to law, and kc's anemic offense doing nothing with a worn down 400+ carry rb?

mccree not able to wrap up an int and not realizing troy brown was on the field? fumbles into the endzone?

you play on talent and get close to each other in score, but one or two lucky bounces can determine the winner

Indy diednt win despite their weaknesses. They didnot win every toher year because of their weakensses, and they did win last year because at least in the short term of the playoffs their defense was a strength.

Indy's defense is far from good, but in last years playoffs it was the best one in the NFL. Lightning in a bottle, circumstnaces, whatever, they played great D in the playoffs. If their D in the playoffs played like it did all season long they would have no chance to win the SB.

 

[jcdavey]

Re: ot: chargers wr parker likely out vs pats

I am wrong to say they lost their best, because they lost their TWO best.
Parker caught more passes than Floyd and Jackson COMBINED. In fact he caught more last year than they have COMBINED in their career.


You are just latching on to wishful thinking. You know your best WR sucks, so you have convinced yourself that the other guys who couldnt beat him out in the past are without question better. You are left right nwo with zero WRs of NFL starting quality. The fact that the one you lost wasnt of starting quality either doesnt mean you have no problems it means you had severe problemms to begin with and they just got worse.

how many tds did parker have though? i forgot

 

[jcdavey]

Indy diednt win despite their weaknesses. They didnot win every toher year because of their weakensses, and they did win last year because at least in the short term of the playoffs their defense was a strength.

Indy's defense is far from good, but in last years playoffs it was the best one in the NFL. Lightning in a bottle, circumstnaces, whatever, they played great D in the playoffs. If their D in the playoffs played like it did all season long they would have no chance to win the SB.

yeah indy's D was really strong in that what was it? 41-38 afccg ...wow such strong defenses

they played 2 anemic offenses in baltimore and kc, then actually played a real offense and you guys handed them the game on a silver platter, just like we did for NE

but yeah indy played good defense

 

[jcdavey]

oh and if indy had faced a better than average rb in the playoffs or one who wasn't killed by the most carries by a rb of all time, they'd have been exposed, but they really didn't face any solid rbs, till the sb...but that was cancelled out by a pretty bad qb....

 

[Ring 6]

Re: ot: chargers wr parker likely out vs pats

ypur avg wrs last year isn't what cost you in the colts game, you can point to caldwell's drop but i can point to gaffney's great td catch

the simple fact of last year's afccg loss is, you didn't put your foot on indy's throat, the same way sd didn't put it's foot on NE's throat when they had the chance, and we both paid for it

you had a 20-3 lead and those are games the NE D usually closes out with no problem, till last season

i mean, the fumbles into the end zone for both teams? that's something that usually happens only to NE opponents, not you guys too.

the ending fact is, you let a team like NE or indy stay alive too long, they burn ya

Sure, the defense was primarily to blame but the team had WR issues all year long. Better quality at Wr would have sustained drives, kept the offense on the field, and scored more points.
I totally agree the D holds the lionshare of blame, but when the D spends 24 minutes on the filed in the second half (or whatever it was) the offense could have heloped avoid it.
The 03-04 Patriots would have won that game simply by staying on the field on offense. The WR position made it more difficult to stay on the field, especially on a day where Indy overcommitted to the run and were not going to beat by that.
Same thing you guys will see this year. If I dont have to woory about WRs beating me, I can play defense that forces them to.

 

[Ring 6]

Re: ot: chargers wr parker likely out vs pats

oh and turner would be concerned if it was anyone...standard coach speak, you know that

make up a list of guys you think getting hurt would really affect san diego's offense, and let me know where parker's name is on it

It would be pretty high.
Obviously Rivers, LT, and Gates would hurt more. Parker is probably #4. You could sustain an OL injury better, because your OL doesnt suck to start with. Losing oyur best WR is a severe blow.

 

[Ring 6]

Re: ot: chargers wr parker likely out vs pats

how many tds did parker have though? i forgot

The 2 guys you are talking about are 6'5 receivers who no doubt are better red zone options. The thing you seem to miss is Parker is the guy getting you to the red zone.
If you think an offense is only about who catches the pass that puts you in the end zone, you do not understand the game.

Explain to me if these nobodies are better receivers than Parker why did they sit on the bench behind him all year?

 

[Ring 6]

oh and if indy had faced a better than average rb in the playoffs or one who wasn't killed by the most carries by a rb of all time, they'd have been exposed, but they really didn't face any solid rbs, till the sb...but that was cancelled out by a pretty bad qb....

They played good defense. You keep trying to overcome fact with opinion.

Now Larry johnson isnt a good rb because you decided he was tired and useless.
They held the Ravens, a decent offense to what, 3 points.
The Patriots had a good running game, and the Colts refused to let them run under any circumstances.

That run D in the regular season would have surrendered 100 yards to the worst back in the league. It improved. I believe it was a short lived thing, but they improved.


It does not surprise me at all that the fan of a team who hasn't won a playoff game in years and years, decides to feel better about that by calling playoff wins luck.

 

[jcdavey]

Re: ot: chargers wr parker likely out vs pats

It would be pretty high.
Obviously Rivers, LT, and Gates would hurt more. Parker is probably #4. You could sustain an OL injury better, because your OL doesnt suck to start with. Losing oyur best WR is a severe blow.

#4? wow you really don't know my team like you think you do

i'd have it

LT
Gates
Rivers
McNeill
VJ
Dielman


maybe parker 7th on some lists, but personally i'd rather see him go down than floyd, or the rookie davis

oh and our center was a pro bowl player too, so he'd be an important loss

the two names you may not recognize on that list are olinemen...they're kind of important in our offense...just a bit

 

[jcdavey]

Re: ot: chargers wr parker likely out vs pats

The 2 guys you are talking about are 6'5 receivers who no doubt are better red zone options. The thing you seem to miss is Parker is the guy getting you to the red zone.
If you think an offense is only about who catches the pass that puts you in the end zone, you do not understand the game.

Explain to me if these nobodies are better receivers than Parker why did they sit on the bench behind him all year?

VJ actually played alot last year...actually had the bigger catches...you might remember him from the pats playoff game....

the game parker fumbled a punt in

floyd had a great game in cincy but the reason he wasn't on the field alot last year was the same reason parker won't be this year

i'm just saying, keep acting like parker is that important to our offense, if it makes you feel better

cause most of us had him no higher than 3rd going into this season...it's just the truth

honestly, do you have caldwell rated as your #1 wr right now?

 

[Ring 6]

yeah indy's D was really strong in that what was it? 41-38 afccg ...wow such strong defenses

they played 2 anemic offenses in baltimore and kc, then actually played a real offense and you guys handed them the game on a silver platter, just like we did for NE

but yeah indy played good defense

Indys defense was as important to the win as their offense. You do not come back from a deficit without playing good D. Their D made stops and got the offense back on the field. If they played mediocre D in the second half, the offense would not have had enough chances to get back in the game.

I'm not building up the Colts D, but when you count up those points, lets not forget a defenseive Td, and an 80 yard ko return either.

 

[jcdavey]

They played good defense. You keep trying to overcome fact with opinion.

Now Larry johnson isnt a good rb because you decided he was tired and useless.
They held the Ravens, a decent offense to what, 3 points.
The Patriots had a good running game, and the Colts refused to let them run under any circumstances.

That run D in the regular season would have surrendered 100 yards to the worst back in the league. It improved. I believe it was a short lived thing, but they improved.


It does not surprise me at all that the fan of a team who hasn't won a playoff game in years and years, decides to feel better about that by calling playoff wins luck.

even pats fans said he was tired and useless after the record amount of carries....i'm not saying anything that hasn't been said a hundred times before

take a look at who the colts played and you'll realize their D still sucked, but they were let off the hook...by you guys, it's just true

just like we let you off the hook

 

[Ring 6]

Re: ot: chargers wr parker likely out vs pats

#4? wow you really don't know my team like you think you do

i'd have it

LT
Gates
Rivers
McNeill
VJ
Dielman


maybe parker 7th on some lists, but personally i'd rather see him go down than floyd, or the rookie davis

oh and our center was a pro bowl player too, so he'd be an important loss

the two names you may not recognize on that list are olinemen...they're kind of important in our offense...just a bit

Your argument is ludicrous.
Parker BEAT OUT AND PLAYED AHEAD OF Jackson and Floyd (please stop using the injury excuse, Floyd was active for 12 games) but you now feel that because Parker is not that good that this means the guys who sat behind must be good?
I agree with you that Parker is not a good NFL starting WR. What you seem to be hiding from is that most likely means the men who FAILED TO BEAT HIM OUT FOR A JOB are worse.

 

[jcdavey]

Indys defense was as important to the win as their offense. You do not come back from a deficit without playing good D. Their D made stops and got the offense back on the field. If they played mediocre D in the second half, the offense would not have had enough chances to get back in the game.

I'm not building up the Colts D, but when you count up those points, lets not forget a defenseive Td, and an 80 yard ko return either.

i think you're building up indy's D a bit, they weren't that good of a defense, they just got bailed out in the playoffs.

they certainly didn't have to face any really solid O till NE, and NE should have put them away....by running

you guys had 2 rbs avg more than 6 yds against on their D, but you split the carries out rather than having one rb work them over

and maroney got owned by them, dillon actually made progress

if you guys would have had a rb who could have (or if you'd chosen to) eaten up around 20+carries to exploit their weakness, you would have won