Jimmy's Value

[AzPatsFan]

Matt Cassel's contract was up which meant that his new team had to pay the going rate for a starting QB.

Otherwise, I expect Cassell would have brought a 1st round pick.

Jimmy has another year on his contract and a better track record as a prospect, than Cassell, who hadn't started a game since high school, until he had to take over for an injured Brady.

Cassel could be traded as the Pats had a QB going into his prime. Any pick now would have to be used to find the next QB. so there is no net gain. The situations are not parallel.

In two years if POLO has proved himself, you pay him and keep him.

 

[Ring 6]

You're right.

With the abundance of NFL* quality QBs in the league, and given the ease of finding one, why would any team in need of a franchise QB trade a 1st round pick or more, for a QB, from a team noted at successfully developing QBs, and who has already shown to be able to win NFL* games in hostile environment?
It is easier just to step into the backyard and pick one off of the franchise QB tree.

God only knows why the Rams chose to trade away so much in order to draft their franchise QB. You may have heard of him, Jared Goff, the guy who was so impressive he was inactive in week #1.

Wait. Teams should give up a king ransom for Garropolo who sat for 2 years and has now played one pretty good game, because the guy who was just drafted sat for one game?
OK, but that is a very odd logic.

 

[sb1]

Matt Cassel's contract was up which meant that his new team had to pay the going rate for a starting QB.

Otherwise, I expect Cassell would have brought a 1st round pick.

Jimmy has another year on his contract and a better track record as a prospect, than Cassell, who hadn't started a game since high school, until he had to take over for an injured Brady.

Very true but Jimmy is only a year away himself. A team would basically be giving a first rounder for a one year rental with still a lot of question marks. Nobody knows how good Jimmy really is and we still won't after 4 games. If he plays 16 like Cassel did - and obviously nobody wants to see that - we will have a better idea. I value NFL experience over your track record as a prospect.

I just can't see a team being that stupid.

And as I said people talked about how much Mallett was going to bring back and it didn't exactly work that way so that is jading in this case as well.

 

[The Gr8est]

The Patriots are noted for successfully developing QBs?
I think Kevin Oconnell, Brian Hoyer, Matt Cassel, Ryan Mallet wish you were coaching an NFL team.

And yet one week last season Brady, Cassel, Hoyer, and Mallet all started the same week.

 

[IllegalContact]

this should generate a few chuckles:

Tom Brady On Cowboys? Colin Cowherd Can Envision QB Leaving Patriots

 

[Ring 6]

And yet one week last season Brady, Cassel, Hoyer, and Mallet all started the same week.

Are you trying to tell me that organizations will point to Matt cas sell Brian hoyer and Ryan mallet and say we need to pay extra to get a QB who was coached up like them??
Seriously?

 

[sb1]

I love how the media is desperately trying to play up a rift between Brady and BB where there is none.

 

[IllegalContact]

Are you trying to tell me that organizations will point to Matt cas sell Brian hoyer and Ryan mallet and say we need to pay extra to get a QB who was coached up like them??
Seriously?

on the other hand, it took Jimmy exactly one start to look better than all of them

 

[The Gr8est]

Are you trying to tell me that organizations will point to Matt cas sell Brian hoyer and Ryan mallet and say we need to pay extra to get a QB who was coached up like them??
Seriously?

No, I am saying that having 4 QBs from the same organization, all starting in the same week, is evidence of a team that can develop QBs.

Do you know of a team with a better track record?

Maybe you'd prefer a higher price tag and pay to draft a "Can't miss" prospect like Jared Goff, or a trade a 1st+ for a QB like Sam Bradford.

 

[Ring 6]

No, I am saying that having 4 QBs from the same organization, all starting in the same week, is evidence of a team that can develop QBs.

Do you know of a team with a better track record?

Maybe you'd prefer a higher price tag and pay to draft a "Can't miss" prospect like Jared Goff, or a trade a 1st+ for a QB like Sam Bradford.

No its not when 3 sucked and got benched. How many started last week?
Those 3 guys are proof the Patriots have NOT developed a QB anyone would want.

So wait, you have now decided the Garropolo is better than Goff because Goff sat game 1, while Garropolo played pretty well in game 1 of year 3?

You seem to think that Garropolo became a cant miss in 1 game?

 

[Ring 6]

on the other hand, it took Jimmy exactly one start to look better than all of them

Its one game.
The argument he was making was that JG would be more valuable to other teams based upon the Patriots track record of developing QBs.
I was pointing out that track record is not a positive thing.

 

[IllegalContact]

I love how the media is desperately trying to play up a rift between Brady and BB where there is none.

you're going to get this .... after all, it was the media that was the fuel for the deflategate fiasco

maybe there was an agenda, but the NFL needed the media to grow it to the size it became

the media does not enjoy dealing with the pats as they are, so they piss on them whenever they can

 

[AzorianPats]

Cassell took the Patriots to 11-5, many of those games in hostile environments too - his resume was much deeper than Jimmy's will be... and he didn't get a first rounder. Why should I think Jimmy will?

And in the unlikely event that BB agrees with you that Jimmy could be a franchise QB then why would the Pats trade him at all?

Cuz Jimmy has shown more promise than Sam Bradford..and he went for a kings ransom.

 

[Brit patriot]

If Jimmy can get a great body of work, then some QB hungry team will go for him. There is no comparison to Mallett as no-one had seen Ryan play, and therefore there was no evidence he could lead a franchise.

Look at Matt Flynn..one good game and he became rich!

 

[Ring 6]

Cuz Jimmy has shown more promise than Sam Bradford..and he went for a kings ransom.

No he hasn't. If Bradford wasn't made of glass he would be a top QB

 

[IllegalContact]

Its one game.
The argument he was making was that JG would be more valuable to other teams based upon the Patriots track record of developing QBs.
I was pointing out that track record is not a positive thing.

that's true, but I see a difference between Jimmy and the rest of them

 

[The Gr8est]

No its not when 3 sucked and got benched. How many started last week?
Those 3 guys are proof the Patriots have NOT developed a QB anyone would want.

So wait, you have now decided the Garropolo is better than Goff because Goff sat game 1, while Garropolo played pretty well in game 1 of year 3?

You seem to think that Garropolo became a cant miss in 1 game?

OK, so three of them sucked...

There are not 32 good NFL* QBs on the planet, if there were then unproven college QBs would not cost the draft capital that teams are using to acquire them.

The book hasn't finished being written yet for Jimmy, but the first chapter looks pretty good, and if he performs the same through four games, then if BB decides to trade him next offseason, he will get a 1st round pick from a desperate team in a QB starved league.

 

[AzorianPats]

No he hasn't. If Bradford wasn't made of glass he would be a top QB

How many winning seasons Bradford has?

 

[sb1]

Cuz Jimmy has shown more promise than Sam Bradford..and he went for a kings ransom.

I think we need to see a lot more than one real NFL game before coming to that conclusion

 

[Ring 6]

OK, so three of them sucked...

Thete are not 32 good NFL* QBs on the planet, if there were then unproven college QBs would not cost the draft capital that teams are using to acquire them.

The book hasn't been finished wring yet for Jimmy, but the first chapter looks pretty good, and if he performs the same through four games, then if BB decides to trade him next offseason, he will get a 1st round pick from a desperate team in a QB starved league.

Most teams would prefer to start fresh with their own guy.
Look at it this way, if you have the right coaching staff in place, they will develop your guy. If you don't well you are screwed any way.
I think you are jumping the gun after one game. That one game doesn't separate Garropolo from your argument that young QBs are a long shot. Many QBs have had games like JG did last week and gone on to suck. I'm optimistic about him but lets not forget a week ago half the PATRIOT FANS on this board though we had no chance to win BECAUSE OF Jimmy G. The consensus on this board was they would be happy if we went 2-2 with him. If 2-2 with BB and this team is optimistic, then those people are saying they felt he sucked. Not saying they are right, but lets pump the brakes on one game making him a must have can't miss franchise QB.