Jimmy's Value

[AzorianPats]

2008 was such a strange year. Pitt had a great D but if TB12 was in there....we own Pitt.

I don't think the 08 defense is near what this team is.

Offensively I think its obviously close but I like how more diversified the 2016 team is.

08 oline and running game blows 2016 out of the water.

I think 08 Brady was/will be better than 2016 Brady but who knows.

100% agree with everything. 2008 was the end of that dynasty great D.

2016 defense blows 2008 out of the water.

 

[Love The Drake]

If the Jimmy we seen in week 1 is the one we get the next 3 games, JG becomes untradable in my eyes.

You don't trade franchise QB's.

Young Franchise QBS
I love Tom Brady and he will be my favorite player of all time but If we are thinking about the future and Jimmy resembles the GOAT you cant a potential 15 year QB walk out the door for the last 2 years of Bradys earth shattering career.
However if Jimmy turns into a pumpkin the next few games moot point.

 

[long distance]

Id like and I believe TB retires a Pat.
I continue to believe JG is a keeper.
Can this math work out? Time will tell soon...

If Id be a betting man Id bet on one more yr for Brady sooner than three or more.
As much as Id like to watch Brady until I die - the chance for the transition is still there.
The last window is the start of 2018. Jimmy might not want to wait even that.

But there is a lot of football to be played until that crossroad.
A lot depends on how they view JB as well.
But despite uneasy decision looming this is the best QB situation one might have.

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Admitting the bigger chance at the moment is that the math/transition doesnt add up
watching Titans and Mariota (still looking anything but franchise or even future QB) - a nice little dream trade came to my mind as well:
Id hate to trade Jimmy before next season
but if Tennessee would offer their 1st and Henry - Id be tempted to hell.

Fortunately this will not happen but that would be one great trade taking care of our two only needs - and on the cheapest: Top 1st rd pick for top future OT and one of the greatest RB prospects that checks all the boxes on and off the field - all that with minor cap hit the next 3 years ...

But thats just a little daydreaming. Our top need should always be to have the best QB situation we can.

 

[long distance]

And here a great insight from Lombardi how the Pats see Jimmy ...

Michael Lombardi: Patriots think QB Jimmy Garoppolo "fits in perfectly"

 

[AzorianPats]

Young Franchise QBS
I love Tom Brady and he will be my favorite player of all time but If we are thinking about the future and Jimmy resembles the GOAT you cant a potential 15 year QB walk out the door for the last 2 years of Bradys earth shattering career.
However if Jimmy turns into a pumpkin the next few games moot point.

Also think its fair to expect some growing pains from Jimmy. A good test for him will be Buffalo. Say what you want about Rex, but hes a hell of a defensive coach. He still gives Brady fits.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

And here a great insight from Lombardi how the Pats see Jimmy ...

Michael Lombardi: Patriots think QB Jimmy Garoppolo "fits in perfectly"

This is why I don't necessarily see BB trading him away.

 

[LT85]

After a lot of thought, I'm starting to think that this won't be as much about Brady vs Jimmy G, as it will be about Jimmy G vs Brisset.

It is extremely difficult to find a qb who can be a franchise qb. It's even harder to find one who is both talented enough and at the same time is a strong fit with the patriot way. I think Jimmy is a great fit, and if he shows up big time in the next three games, he might even be a perfect fit.

I don't see trading that away for 1-2 more years of Brady. Unless...they think they struck gold twice in a row. When it comes to character, brisset, by all reports, seem like a patriot the same way Jimmy does. If they think he's just as talented as well, then it makes sense to move Jimmy. If not, then I think they'll keep Jimmy around and put him under center from the start of the 2018 season.

 

[Ross12]

IMO, Brady is playing for a 5th ring at this point. If he gets his 5th, he will retire. I know he loves football, but all the league nonsense on top of keeping in excellent football shape at his age has got to be really taxing.

If the Pats can win a 5th this year or next year, and Brady retires, it makes things easy - keep Jimmy as Brady's heir and develop Brissett and see if he can eventually be traded for value if he keeps looking good in preseason - if not, oh well.

 

[NewFeep]

Let's not put him the hall of fame just yet........... But I loved what I saw in AZ

 

[The Gr8est]

IMO, Brady is playing for a 5th ring at this point. If he gets his 5th, he will retire. I know he loves football, but all the league nonsense on top of keeping in excellent football shape at his age has got to be really taxing.

If the Pats can win a 5th this year or next year, and Brady retires, it makes things easy - keep Jimmy as Brady's heir and develop Brissett and see if he can eventually be traded for value if he keeps looking good in preseason - if not, oh well.

I was thinking something similar. If the Pats can get a 5th Superbowl ring, then Brady can ride off into the subset with his head held high as his legal team dies all the heavy lifting on a defamation lawsuit.

Jimmy hopefully shows that he is ready to take over the reins, and steps in as Brady's successor, which he does under the guidance of a new OC as McDaniel begins his second stint as HC of another team.

Matt Patricia stays on as DC and continues being groomed as BB's heir appstent.

The Omissioner takes a couple of months off as he recovers from the anal hematoma inflicted by Brady and the Lombardi Trophy after he hands it to Brady on the podium at the Superbowl after Brady wins the SB MVP.

 

[Grizzafted]

a little stunned by how easily people are writing off Tom's ability to play at a high level at 42 or 43. he takes care of himself, clearly doesn't want to stop playing, and his game is much more defined by his intelligence and precision than arm strength or mobility.

i like jimmy and want to field a competitive team for the next decade, but no fn way do you cut the last two years of Brady's career out under any circumstances, dude has taken us to five straight AFC championship games and two super bowls in the last five years. you milk that cow until it keels over and dies.

 

[Marqui]

a little stunned by how easily people are writing off Tom's ability to play at a high level at 42 or 43. he takes care of himself, clearly doesn't want to stop playing, and his game is much more defined by his intelligence and precision than arm strength or mobility.

i like jimmy and want to field a competitive team for the next decade, but no fn way do you cut the last two years of Brady's career out under any circumstances, dude has taken us to five straight AFC championship games and two super bowls in the last five years. you milk that cow until it keels over and dies.

Don't worry, the team will never let go of Brady before he's completely done no matter what anyone says. They're going to sell away JG to the highest bidder either this season or next offseason.

 

[Ross12]

a little stunned by how easily people are writing off Tom's ability to play at a high level at 42 or 43. he takes care of himself, clearly doesn't want to stop playing, and his game is much more defined by his intelligence and precision than arm strength or mobility.

i like jimmy and want to field a competitive team for the next decade, but no fn way do you cut the last two years of Brady's career out under any circumstances, dude has taken us to five straight AFC championship games and two super bowls in the last five years. you milk that cow until it keels over and dies.

I don't doubt for a second that Brady can play at a high level for several more years. But I do wonder if he will ultimately desire to do so.

 

[sb1]

Getting lots of disagrees on my post which is cool but I stand by it.

There is no way another GM - at least one who isn't high - will offer the Pats anything close to a first round pick based on a 4 game sample size for Jimmy Garoppolo. The comparison to drafted QBs is dubious - this isn't a hot 21-22 year old prospect out of college going at the top of the draft, this is a guy who is in the Pats system, who will be turning 25 this year, and one year away from free agency, with (hopefully only) 4 games under his belt and still with a lot of question marks. He will be one year older than Tim Tebow was when he was Broncos starter.

And didn't we hear this talk before with Mallett? How did that work out? Other teams may be dumb but they're not insane.

No way no how. I'd love to be wrong but it's a pipe dream IMO.

 

[The Gr8est]

Getting lots of disagrees on my post which is cool but I stand by it.

There is no way another GM - at least one who isn't high - will offer the Pats anything close to a first round pick based on a 4 game sample size for Jimmy Garoppolo. The comparison to drafted QBs is dubious - this isn't a hot 21-22 year old prospect out of college going at the top of the draft, this is a guy who is in the Pats system, who will be turning 25 this year, and one year away from free agency, with (hopefully only) 4 games under his belt and still with a lot of question marks. He will be one year older than Tim Tebow was when he was Broncos starter.

And didn't we hear this talk before with Mallett? How did that work out? Other teams may be dumb but they're not insane.

No way no how. I'd love to be wrong but it's a pipe dream IMO.

You're right.

With the abundance of NFL* quality QBs in the league, and given the ease of finding one, why would any team in need of a franchise QB trade a 1st round pick or more, for a QB, from a team noted at successfully developing QBs, and who has already shown to be able to win NFL* games in hostile environment?
It is easier just to step into the backyard and pick one off of the franchise QB tree.

God only knows why the Rams chose to trade away so much in order to draft their franchise QB. You may have heard of him, Jared Goff, the guy who was so impressive he was inactive in week #1.

 

[sb1]

You're right.

With the abundance of NFL* quality QBs in the league, and given the ease of finding one, why would any team in need of a franchise QB trade a 1st round pick or more, for a QB, from a team noted at successfully developing QBs, and who has already shown to be able to win NFL* games in hostile environment?
It is easier just to step into the backyard and pick one off of the franchise QB tree.

God only knows why the Rams chose to trade away so much on order to draft their franchise QB. You may have heard of him, Jared Goff, the guy who was so impressive he was inactive in week #1.

Cassell took the Patriots to 11-5, many of those games in hostile environments too - his resume was much deeper than Jimmy's will be... and he didn't get a first rounder. Why should I think Jimmy will?

And in the unlikely event that BB agrees with you that Jimmy could be a franchise QB then why would the Pats trade him at all?

 

[Ring 6]

IMO, Brady is playing for a 5th ring at this point. If he gets his 5th, he will retire. I know he loves football, but all the league nonsense on top of keeping in excellent football shape at his age has got to be really taxing.

If the Pats can win a 5th this year or next year, and Brady retires, it makes things easy - keep Jimmy as Brady's heir and develop Brissett and see if he can eventually be traded for value if he keeps looking good in preseason - if not, oh well.

I have never heard a word out of Bradys mouth that reaching a certain number of rings would make him want to quit.
Everything I have heard is he wants to play until he can't.

 

[The Gr8est]

Cassell took the Patriots to 11-5, many of those games in hostile environments too - his resume was much deeper than Jimmy's will be... and he didn't get a first rounder. Why should I think Jimmy will?

And in the unlikely event that BB agrees with you that Jimmy could be a franchise QB then why would the Pats trade him at all?

Matt Cassel's contract was up which meant that his new team had to pay the going rate for a starting QB.

Otherwise, I expect Cassell would have brought a 1st round pick.

Jimmy has another year on his contract and a better track record as a prospect, than Cassell, who hadn't started a game since high school, until he had to take over for an injured Brady.

 

[Ring 6]

You're right.

With the abundance of NFL* quality QBs in the league, and given the ease of finding one, why would any team in need of a franchise QB trade a 1st round pick or more, for a QB, from a team noted at successfully developing QBs, and who has already shown to be able to win NFL* games in hostile environment?
It is easier just to step into the backyard and pick one off of the franchise QB tree.

God only knows why the Rams chose to trade away so much in order to draft their franchise QB. You may have heard of him, Jared Goff, the guy who was so impressive he was inactive in week #1.

The Patriots are noted for successfully developing QBs?
I think Kevin Oconnell, Brian Hoyer, Matt Cassel, Ryan Mallet wish you were coaching an NFL team.

 

[Ring 6]

Matt Cassel's contract was up which meant that his new team had to pay the going rate for a starting QB.

Otherwise, I expect Cassell would have brought a 1st round pick.

Jimmy has another year on his contract and a better track record as a prospect, than Cassell, who hadn't started a game since high school, until he had to take over for an injured Brady.

Cassell is an odd case. He was a tagged backup. He defined the market for that.
He wasn't worth a first though, and I think no one would have given up a 1 for him unless they just don't know how to evaluate QBs.