Report: Dion Lewis to undergo 2nd surgery.

[Brady6]

We get Lewis for the second half instead of the first half this season. I think this is good news we keep the wear and tear off him and it allows us to see what we have in Gaffney during the first 6 weeks of the season.

 

[Deus Irae]

This thread is full of customary overreaction. Blount is fine, White is fine, Lewis could be back by the midway point of the year.

People who haven't actually paid attention to White think he's "fine". People who've paid attention know that he needs a lot of improvement just to get close to "fine".

 

[Tunescribe]

Even with the early start he got on rehab, I wasn't optimistic seeing Lewis contribute significantly this season if ever again. Hope I am wrong, of course, but a back of his build and running style doesn't just bounce back from that kind of knee injury. The way he originally injured himself (non-contact) was telltale.

 

[hornetfb85]

 

[Deus Irae]

Even with the early start he got on rehab, I wasn't optimistic seeing Lewis contribute significantly this season if ever again. Hope I am wrong, of course, but a back of his build and running style doesn't just bounce back from that kind of knee injury. The way he originally injured himself (non-contact) was telltale.

A significant percentage of ACL injuries are non-contact. Hell, we saw it with Welker, and we saw it with a dumbass celebrating a sack. There's nothing telltale about such a happening.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I saw Devontae Booker play for the donkeys last night. He looks real solid. I think he was the one guy everyone thought we had a real shot to draft.

I think the concern with him was his knee but he looked good to me

 

[RobertWeathers]

Especially with all the impending FA's next year.

The team might not be more well built in the future than it is right now.

Was Vincent ****ing Valentine really more important than actually having a ground game?

They'll have a ground game but it won't scare anyone nor demand any respect for its playmaking ability.

 

[Huckleberry1]

There is no need to rush at all, IMO. Keep him there and get him set for the late season push.

I agree, Blount, White and Gaffney are all looking pretty good and bringing Lewis back in October makes him more likely to finish the season and will give the offense an in season boost. This team looks really good all the way around.

 

[jefmblrd]

Barring an acquisition, which seems more likely now, it looks like Blount and White and most likely Gaffney to go along with Bolden.

 

[Angelpats]

I agree with most here, if given a choice I would rather have Lewis the second half of the season.

 

[Tunescribe]

A significant percentage of ACL injuries are non-contact. Hell, we saw it with Welker, and we saw it with a dumbass celebrating a sack. There's nothing telltale about such a happening.

Welker's happened on bad grass turf. The "dumbass celebrating a sack" did something odd his body wasn't used to. Lewis has the kind of instinctive running style that puts unusual torque on his knees -- he sharply cuts and pivots with his full body weight often shifted to one leg. Not all backs run like that and he's not a stout guy to begin with.

 

[Mack Herron]

Yes, there is. Most ACLs are contact-related.

Do you have any evidence to support these claims Tune?

Causes and Risk Factors
ACL injuries tend to happen more often in people who play high-impact sports where rapid pivoting and turning are common, such as basketball, football, skiing, and soccer.

AAOS reports that about 70 percent of ACL tears happen without direct contact to the knee.

What Is an ACL Tear?

The most common mechanism of injury is non-contact and caused by cutting.

ESPN feature on ACL Injuries, ACL Tear, ACL Surgery, ACL Injury, Dallas Texas Sports Medicine, Dallas Mavericks

More famous than non-contact ACL injuries—though less frequent—are those involving contact. A

Breaking Down NFL's ACL Epidemic

 

[Tunescribe]

Do you have any evidence to support these claims Tune?

What Is an ACL Tear?

ESPN feature on ACL Injuries, ACL Tear, ACL Surgery, ACL Injury, Dallas Texas Sports Medicine, Dallas Mavericks
Breaking Down NFL's ACL Epidemic

You're right, I was getting them confused -- injuries to the collateral ligaments are normally caused by impact (MCLs, etc.). ACLs are from rapid change of direction.

 

[Mike the Brit]

You're right, I was getting them confused -- injuries to the collateral ligaments are normally caused by impact (MCLs, etc.). ACLs are from rapid change of direction.

There's a question whether the Foxborough turf is conducive to such injuries. The Lewis ACL looked completely innocuous -- no contact and nothing really radical in the way of a cut.

 

[Mack Herron]

You're right, I was getting them confused -- injuries to the collateral ligaments are normally caused by impact (MCLs, etc.). ACLs are from rapid change of direction.

Regardless, there is more reason today to strengthen the position (which I thought needed attention before Black Sunday).

 

[Tunescribe]

There's a question whether the Foxborough turf is conducive to such injuries. The Lewis ACL looked completely innocuous -- no contact and nothing really radical in the way of a cut.

I know what you're saying but I just think it's his "radical" running style. It obviously comes natural to him but the way he shifts in a dime with full weight on one leg is bound to wear on those knees.

 

[TBR]

It sucks, but if there's a silver lining, he'll have less wear & tear on him for the playoffs.

There's a good chance he might not have made it through the entire season if he started playing week 1.

 

[Joey007]

They'll have a ground game but it won't scare anyone nor demand any respect for its playmaking ability.

I suppose, to be fair, we didn't have that in 2014 either.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

Even with the early start he got on rehab, I wasn't optimistic seeing Lewis contribute significantly this season if ever again. Hope I am wrong, of course, but a back of his build and running style doesn't just bounce back from that kind of knee injury. The way he originally injured himself (non-contact) was telltale.

If he was so injury prone..and could play a full year..he could be such a great back in this O...so unfortunate

 

[Mike the Brit]

I know what you're saying but I just think it's his "radical" running style. It obviously comes natural to him but the way he shifts in a dime with full weight on one leg is bound to wear on those knees.

Not sure that an ACL comes from "wear" on the knees. Seems more like a sudden event.

It may be that the extreme muscle development around the knee that you need to be Lewis's kind of "radical" RB creates a pre-disposition, but my experience of ACL injuries has been that lightly built people seem more susceptible.

I just don't trust the NFL turf. I can't remember a single ACL injury during the European soccer championships (played on grass) and Mitchell's shoulder dislocation looked like the sort of thing that any rugby player would have absorbed without a second thought -- put out your arm to absorb the shock as you go to the ground.

OK, I admit, no scientific evidence: maybe it's just me.

EDIT: Googling around, there does seem to be some scientific evidence for a greater number of ACL knee injuries on Turf.