Jets Suck -- 2016 Edition (Official): Futility Confirmed

[JetFan79]

Yet signing an aging CB with an injury history at $16M year 1 then $17M year 2 was just fine?

Yup, Revis is and will be well worth it. Even if he has a down year, his work ethic and leadership also add to the team. Hopefully next off-season a cheaper (but still expensive) longer-term deal can be worked out to keep him in Green for the rest of his career.

Now $7M for the most important position in the game is too much?

Whilst the Ostweilers of this world are getting $18M?

Absolutely. Though that's just my opinion. Most fans, and it would seem Woody, Macc and Bowels, think Fitz is worth 7mil. Ostweiler? **** I dunno, maybe the Texans see a great young QB they can build around for the next decade after he started 7 games?

God, the Jets and their fans are so f****d!

You got nothing. Front-load the piss out of a contract with Fitzy to get him signed, and see what happens --- you literally have no other choice. Make it look sexy but make sure you can cut him a year from now, at most two.

EDIT: Such an approach allows both sides to save face, but the bottom line is you can flush Fitzy down the toilet next year if he sucks.

Meanwhile, if some third stringer needs a face to punch, Geno is still around!

All is well in the Jets world (except you fired that toe-sucking pervert!)

Front-load the contract? Man we're tight with cap this year. We'll have to do some restructuring just to sign the recent FAs, sign rookies and have an in-season emergency fund. Come 2017 we're in good shape again. What worries me is that it's very possible to free up a TON of money for this season re-working a few deals and even dropping some older vets. Really hope that's not done for Fitz. If there was a better option sure.

But I'd prefer to just roll with $1.6mil Geno and see what he has with a good team. Been said before, but he shouldn't have been starting his first couple years and the offense around him BLEW. Wouldn't mind seeing what he can do with a good offense and a few years under his belt now.

If he stinks, oh well, start Petty the second half of the season and see what we have in him. Don't settle for expensive-mediocrity with Fitz.

 

[JetFan79]

Glad you're on board with it. Geno = guaranteed laff-riot Jets suckage!

Now that wasn't very nice.

 

[Ross12]

So you're saying you have to pay $17 million to an aging CB who is slowing down, because of his leadership? I guess that's sort of necessary when your starting QB gets into fights with practice squad-level LBs and gets his jaw busted.... Gonna need a whoooole lot of leadership to make up for that lack thereof!

Really though, the Jets are in a rough place. They're really tight to the cap so they can't front-load a Fitz contract, and they don't want to overpay him which is really the wise choice, but in reality they can't afford to be wise. They sort of need to be stupid and overpay him to at least maintain some level of offensive competence, but they can't afford it... That's tough. Not that I mind!

 

[JetFan79]

So you're saying you have to pay $17 million to an aging CB who is slowing down, because of his leadership? I guess that's sort of necessary when your starting QB gets into fights with practice squad-level LBs and gets his jaw busted.... Gonna need a whoooole lot of leadership to make up for that lack thereof!

Well the leadership definitely helps. Plus he still is one of the best CBs in the game. Will he ever be the old GOAT Revis again?... Probably not. But I'm sure he'll be able to have flashes of that combined with great overall play.

Really though, the Jets are in a rough place. They're really tight to the cap so they can't front-load a Fitz contract, and they don't want to overpay him which is really the wise choice, but in reality they can't afford to be wise. They sort of need to be stupid and overpay him to at least maintain some level of offensive competence, but they can't afford it... That's tough. Not that I mind!

Ha, well I'm glad you take enjoyment from a tough Jets situation. But that is what this thread is all about after all though right?

Seriously though, I don't mind not signing Fitz. I want to see what Geno can do.

 

[Ross12]

I want to see what Geno can do.

Be careful what you wish for...

 

[IllegalContact]

Seriously though, I don't mind not signing Fitz. I want to see what Geno can do.

me too....which begs the question......who do you want to be the next coach in 2017?

 

[JetFan79]

me too....which begs the question......who do you want to be the next coach in 2017?

lol, well played.

 

[JetFan79]

Be careful what you wish for...

Wouldn't really say "wish" exactly. More of a hopeful curios settling for...

 

[rookBoston]

When being able to sign Fitzpatrick to a big money deal is a desirable thing, you know you're in a bad place. But when you can't even afford to do that, you're in a really sad, deep, dark and lonely place.

I can't help but enjoy the Jets emerging cap struggles after watching the misspent enthusiasm of their fans when they "stole" Revis away from the Patriots. If the money had been the same, we all know he would have stayed in Foxboro. But after extravagantly overpaying, Jets management gets to watch the other side of that business decision come to fruition, as they struggle to find the cap space to retain Wilkerson, Ivory, Fitzpatrick and all the other cornerstones of what was a legitimately competitive team in 2015.

All I can say is, Belichick would have never done a Revis deal for those terms, and he's a damn genius at this game. So, Jets fans really need to feel good about their $17mm defensive stalwart. But to my eyes, for that money, Revis has got a high bar before he reaches "worth it", let alone "bargain".

Rumor is the Jets would sign and trade Wilkerson, if they could. Wouldn't it be classic if Belichick picks him up on the cheap, with the cap space he saved by not overpaying Revis? Nah. Never happen. Goodell would intervene. And anyway the Jets would never deal a monster like Wilkerson to the Pats, if they could help it. We'll just have to be satisfied watching him leave the Jets in free agency for some other team, hopefully another one with no fiscal discipline, so the pattern can continue.

But even if they lose their monster DT, just coming into his prime years, the Jets still have their aging, has-been, all world corner, right? That must be a real consolation to them as they try to make up ground with the top AFC teams.

It's really just too hard not to pick on the Jets. They were trending in 2015, and I thought the team played smart and with discipline under Bowles. Such an improvement over the performances of pretty much the same team under Rex, who is truly a clown. But if they can't keep their veteran core in tact because of cap trouble, it's going to get away from them pretty quickly.

 

[JetFan79]

But even if they lose their monster DT, just coming into his prime years, the Jets still have their aging, has-been, all world corner, right? That must be a real consolation to them as they try to make up ground with the top AFC teams.

Regardless of what happens with Wilk, the Jets come out on top there.

1. Trade him. Get a decent pick or player in return and save 15 mil. We still have Sheldon and Williams at DE. Pretty darn good.
   
2. Keep him for what is below his market value. Hell look at what the Giants paid for that Miami DE. Wilk would definitely command more. Probably around 20mil. We'd get to roll out the trio of Wilk, Sheldon and Williams again.

And yup, still got Revis.

It's really just too hard not to pick on the Jets. They were trending in 2015, and I thought the team played smart and with discipline under Bowles. Such an improvement over the performances of pretty much the same team under Rex, who is truly a clown. But if they can't keep their veteran core in tact because of cap trouble, it's going to get away from them pretty quickly.

"Were trending in 2015" and will continue to trend up in 2016.

Just can't mess it up by overpaying for Fitz.

 

[Tunescribe]

Now that wasn't very nice.

The Pats don't need a No. 1 pick to mash your Green Beans twice this coming season. Go Gee-No! (I'll bet you can't wait 'til next fall so you can start looking forward to the 2017 off-season.)

 

[JetFan79]

The Pats don't need a No. 1 pick to mash your Green Beans twice this coming season. Go Gee-No! (I'll bet you can't wait 'til next fall so you can start looking forward to the 2017 off-season.)

I can't talk smack about Jets/Pats games. No way to call who'll win 'em. Always great games. Hopefully it'll continue that way for seasons to come. Odds are they'll probably split again.

 

[Sicilian]

I want to see what Geno can do.

That's the problem. I think you already have.

 

[rookBoston]

"Were trending in 2015" and will continue to trend up in 2016.

Well, good luck to you, friend. Every fan's got to have hope, or what's the point. That's why they play the games, because no one knows how it will break.

But after studying this game for a few decades now, I've decided the game isn't nearly the crapshoot it may seem to be. The consistently top teams run a similar philosophy: Ravens, Broncos, Steelers. And, by the way, the Jets are not running it.

Other teams will flash for a year or two, then disappear into mediocrity again. Does Carolina have staying power? Can Seattle stay at the top after losing so many key players in free agency?

Maybe the Jets are on the rise, but not for long unless they make changes to their front office, not if they're starved for cap space, and not if they're pinning their Championship hopes on Geno Smith carrying them to the Super Bowl. He might get you to a Wildcard game, if things work out and your D is superhuman...but a Championship? That guy will crack in a stiff breeze. You saw how Cam Newton dissolved in the pressure of the moment and he's a prodigy...Geno can only hope to do so well.

 

[JetFan79]

That's the problem. I think you already have.

... not if they're pinning their Championship hopes on Geno Smith ...

And there's the disconnect. Again, most around here (media and fans) agree with this board's opinion of Geno. Myself and a small percentage of Jet fans don't think we've seen what he can do yet.

Everyone is all thrilled at what Fitz accomplished last season. I'm not though. Actually think Geno could have done better.

Time will tell. If he ever gets the chance again.

Problem is, Bowles is a racist. He doesn't like black QBs.

 

[IllegalContact]

And there's the disconnect. Again, most around here (media and fans) agree with this board's opinion of Geno. Myself and a small percentage of Jet fans don't think we've seen what he can do yet.

Everyone is all thrilled at what Fitz accomplished last season. I'm not though. Actually think Geno could have done better.

Time will tell. If he ever gets the chance again.

Problem is, Bowles is a racist. He doesn't like black QBs.

 

[Sicilian]

Problem is, Bowles is a racist. He doesn't like black QBs.

Isn't Bowles black? Not that that negates your point, as I know racism takes many forms, but it would still surprise me.

 

[JetFan79]

Isn't Bowles black? Not that that negates your point, as I know racism takes many forms, but it would still surprise me.

Yeah, he's black, I was just BSin'.

Actually, I think things may have been different last season if Bowles wasn't a rookie coach. Geno may have gone back as the starter week 5 or 6. Instead I think Bowles was playing the "safe" option.

 

[Bill Lee]

If there was a better option sure.

That's the main point, there aren't better options. Somehow the Jets managed to get a useful season out of Fitzy. They must think they still have a viable team (keeping big ticket items like Revis and Wilkerson suggest that they are all in) so you'd think they realize they need a viable QB.

But I'd prefer to just roll with $1.6mil Geno and see what he has with a good team.

The only advantage he has is that at least he's been in the system, but given he's just not very smart I don't know much that matters. He's still going to screw up his reads and throw to the other team.

If he stinks, oh well, start Petty the second half of the season and see what we have in him.

That's what I don't get: the Jets are keeping a lot of expensive vets around, but are on the verge of another season where their best move would be to tank.

When being able to sign Fitzpatrick to a big money deal is a desirable thing, you know you're in a bad place. But when you can't even afford to do that, you're in a really sad, deep, dark and lonely place.

Even worse, they don't seem to know who they are: are they a team with a core group they can build on, or are they also-rans who need to blow the team up and rebuild?

 

[AtomicDawg]

Jets Coach Todd Bowles Desperately Wants Tom Brady Out Of AFC East

“They’ve got a lot of other players other than Chandler Jones,” Bowles told ESPN at the NFL Annual Meeting on Tuesday. “If you get about 20 more of them out of our division, I’ll be happy.”

Sorry Mr. Bowel..I mean Bowles, unless you get Goodell to start up another fake investigation, you'll have to deal with ALL the Patriots this year and for the forseeable future. God bless and enjoy the ass-kickings!