Belichick: Kelly's Firing "Really Disappointing" (Mike Reiss Article)

[TommyD4207]

WTF, Kelly traded Foles and a 2nd round pick to St Louis for injury prone Sam Bradford.

Explains why his team has 6 wins and why the franchise is going south under his rule.

St. Louis took nearly a $4 million cap hit to trade Bradford. Considering they were getting a worse player, and taking a cap hit, a 2nd rounder in the deal was more than appropriate.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Jackson - 30 rec, 528 yds, 4 TD - That's 50 catches, 800 yds and 5 TD off his last (and best) year in Philly

McCoy - 895 yds rushing (4.4ypc), 292 yds receiving, That's 400 yards fewer rushing (150 more receiving) and the same amount of TDs, from his last year in Philly. That's also 700 yards fewer rushing, 250 yards fewer receiving and 6 fewer TDs from his best year in Philly (2013)

Maclin - 84 rec, 1034 yds, 7TD - That's the same amount of catches, 300 yards and 3 fewer TDs than his last year (and best year) in Philly.

Jackson - 2nd year of a 4/$24 million contract ($16 million guaranteed) - First year of 3 straight $9.25million cap hits.
McCoy - First year of a 5/$40 million contract ($26.5 million guaranteed)
Maclin - First year of a 5/$55 million contract ($22.5 million guaranteed)

Belichick overstated a bit, but he's right in the fact that none of them are really near their career years, save for Maclin, and he's making $11 million/yr.

That's ignoring those who have totally tanked like Trent Cole and everyone's binky here Evan Mathis.

Yea the quote was not doing too much. With that said, DJax and Shady have been productive and Maclin has been fine.

I have no idea if BB was not including them or not but the point was that since leaving Philly they have been doing something.

 

[TommyD4207]

Yea the quote was not doing too much. With that said, DJax and Shady have been productive and Maclin has been fine.

I have no idea if BB was not including them or not but the point was that since leaving Philly they have been doing something.

Jackson has 30 catches this year. Keyshawn Martin has 23.

I'll give you the other two, although McCoy isn't anywhere near his standards.

 

[AzorianPats]

Yea the quote was not doing too much. With that said, DJax and Shady have been productive and Maclin has been fine.

I have no idea if BB was not including them or not but the point was that since leaving Philly they have been doing something.

Out of those 3, the only one that's been worth the money is Maclin. Kelly was right in getting rid of Jackson and McCoy.

Philly is a mess, Kelly had a bad year, but he won more with Andy Reid's players than Reid did at the end, and he was building the roster his way. Philly never gave him an opportunity to complete that.

Philly won't, but they should clean house and get rid of Roseman. We are the rare exception of having a coach/GM be successful. Believe it or not, I think the right way is the approach the Seahawks took. They hired Carrol first. And he either handpicked, or was heavily involved in hiring Schneider. I'm of the belief the coach should be head of the football operations, not the GM.

 

[AzorianPats]

Jackson has 30 catches this year. Keyshawn Martin has 23.

I'll give you the other two, although McCoy isn't anywhere near his standards.

I like McCoy, but its obvious he's lost a step. Kelly did a BB in getting rid of a player a year early, then a year late

 

[RobertWeathers]

Jackson has 30 catches this year. Keyshawn Martin has 23.

I'll give you the other two, although McCoy isn't anywhere near his standards.

He missed the first two months of the season and the Skins are 5-3 when he catches a ball.

Comparing Martin and DJax production is not congruent. Look at the ypc.

Regardless, he's produced as opposed to not doing much.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Out of those 3, the only one that's been worth the money is Maclin. Kelly was right in getting rid of Jackson and McCoy.

Philly is a mess, Kelly had a bad year, but he won more with Andy Reid's players than Reid did at the end, and he was building the roster his way. Philly never gave him an opportunity to complete that.

Philly won't, but they should clean house and get rid of Roseman. We are the rare exception of having a coach/GM be successful. Believe it or not, I think the right way is the approach the Seahawks took. They hired Carrol first. And he either handpicked, or was heavily involved in hiring Schneider. I'm of the belief the coach should be head of the football operations, not the GM.

Yep. Not being worth the money is a different story. Those two have met that criteria. KC overpaid for Maclin but he's done well.

DJax and Shady were culture killers. No question Chip needed to ship them out.

Philly did allow Chip to bring in his own personnel guy but Roseman cut his legs off.

 

[Triumph]

St. Louis took nearly a $4 million cap hit to trade Bradford. Considering they were getting a worse player, and taking a cap hit, a 2nd rounder in the deal was more than appropriate.

Foles was a 3rd round pick and has exceeded expectations.

Bradford was the 1st pick in the 2010 draft and has been a bust. This season 17TDs, 13 INTs and 10 Fumbles. For his career 76 TDs, 51 INTs and 37 Fumbles. Philly is looking to draft a QB because Bradford is nothing more than a backup.

Worse player? STL was glad to take the cap hit to get rid of an overpaid under performer like Bradford. Then they fleeced Kelly for a 2nd rounder.

 

[goheels22002]

I doubt it. Belichick has been steadfast in keeping his offensive and defensive systems in place throughout his tenure and Kelly will want to run his offense wherever he goes. I hope he doesn't end up here because I don't want anything to do with his system and want Belichick to continue with the same offense Brady had been running throughout his career.

If Kelly came to New England, he wouldn't have carte blanche to run a college hurry-up, so don't worry that Belichick would cede control. Brady is the best hurry-up QB in NFL history. Brady would also be able to take his foot off the gas when he believes that's the right thing to do. Kelly won't be dictating to the GOAT. Rather, he'll be learning from the Jedi Master.

It would be nice to add some of Kelly's running concepts to what is already in place. Kelly's Oregon running attack was great, and that's where Blount played. It would be great to see a hurry up running game with Blount, Lewis, White, and Bolden. I expect the Pats to go for at least two offensive linemen in the draft - definitely a backup tackle with their #2. Having Kelly around to help make those picks would be great.

For Kelly, a couple of years under the GOAT coach would be good for his future as an NFL HC. His phone is probably ringing off the hook from university programs, but career-wise he would be better off working for BB.

All that said, Belichick will probably appoint somebody we've never heard of who will be our pinata next season. Whatever. IBWT!

 

[Deus Irae]

Yeah, signing Sam Bradford was a savy move right there. Then Tebow and if he didn't pan out you always have Buttfumble Mark Sanchez. I don't fault the Eagles for not letting Kelly near the next Eagles QB. 2013 was a great season for Foles.

The Rams are a mess too. Fischer might get fired.

Foles was traded after 2014. 2014 was not a great season for Foles. And who the hell do you think was the coach when Foles had that great 2013, in the first place?

You're talking out of your ass on this.

 

[Triumph]

Foles was traded after 2014. 2014 was not a great season for Foles. And who the hell do you think was the coach when Foles had that great 2013, in the first place?

You're talking out of your ass on this.

Doh, Foles missed 8 games in 2014. Of course 2014 was not a great season. Still, Foles was 6 - 2 in the games he played in for that season. 2014 Philadelphia Eagles Statistics & Players | Pro-Football-Reference.com

As usual youre wearing your clown shoes defending an idiotic move that eventually got Kelly fired.

 

[RecoveringCowboy]

La Caforna is reporting that Eagles 'brass' and Ryan Grigson are still tight from his days there, implying he could go back there if he's canned by the Colts.

A Roseman-Grigson leadership would easily ensure that Eastern PA and South Jersey will sink into the Atlantic within the next three years.

 

[captain stone]

Almost every single pro transaction Chip made, after he was given control of personnel, was a disaster.
He should've acquiesced to Lurie's demand to relinquish control of personnel in order to save his job as HC, where his game-management performance wasn't good either, so he really had no leverage.
He also displayed insufficient leadership skills in the locker room, making him a 3-way loser.
I don't blame Lurie for ****-canning him.

Bill sounded ignorant when he made those comments defending the indefensible.