Very thin @ CB.. Will a trade for an experienced CB be viable?

[Deus Irae]

No, they didn't. As was just pointed out to you.

You made a false claim. You didn't point anything out. Your comment about Manning, alone, is enough to ignore your claim a the wrongful thing it was.

Manning was an MVP favorite before he faced the Patriots. He had, in fact, racked up a157.2 and 124.2 QB ratings in the two prior games, and he racked up a 111.9 in the following game.

Manning got hurt against the Rams, played well the following week against the Dolphins, and then pretty much fell apart. But to dismiss the pre-injury 2014 Manning the way you did just shows your bias and agenda regarding the stats.

 

[FourierSeries]

You made a false claim. You didn't point anything out. Your comment about Manning, alone, is enough to ignore your claim a the wrongful thing it was.

Manning was an MVP favorite before he faced the Patriots. He had, in fact, racked up a157.2 and 124.2 QB ratings in the two prior games, and he racked up a 111.9 in the following game.

Manning got hurt against the Rams, played well the following week against the Dolphins, and then pretty much fell apart. But to dismiss the pre-injury 2014 Manning the way you did just shows your bias and agenda regarding the stats.

He didn't get hurt against the Rams. You just made that up. He got hurt 4 weeks after that game.

Peyton Manning of Denver Broncos played with torn right quad for the last month of the season

His decline started prior to his injury. It started against us.

 

[PScottman]

A CB trade would be nice but Butler/Ryan/Coleman have been ok. They have 3 months to improve too.

Strategically, further reduction of picks makes little sense in the long game either. The reason: BB will use his theory of quantity to try and recoup quality (loss of the 1st rounder) this draft season.

The hue and cry about the CB situation is deafening, but the adjustment and difference in attention was allocated this year to the DL (Sheard) with eye toward resigning or extending Hightower, Collins, and/or perhaps even Jones in the future as well. Add in McCourty's extension and you have a map as to the "why" of the decision across not just this year, but moving forward.

And I tend to doubt BB tries to "predict" injuries other than his usual depth-to-cap decisions. If Brown hadn't gotten hurt would we be having this discussion? (Likely because many still think the Pats should've re-signed Browner and Revis at HUGE money).

 

[Deus Irae]

He didn't get hurt against the Rams. You just made that up. He got hurt 4 weeks after that game.

Peyton Manning of Denver Broncos played with torn right quad for the last month of the season

His decline started prior to his injury. It started against us.

I didn't make it up: I stated what I've been told. I also didn't claim that he crapped out right after that game. It's funny that you try claiming that there was a "decline" that started with the Patriots when 2 of his next 3 games gave him QB ratings of over 100, including a 135.4 rating against the Dolphins.

Keep demonstrating your bias, though, if you will. I've demonstrated the inaccuracy of your Manning claim, and your refusal to acknowledge the obvious, even after I continued with more evidence in what I'd already noted would be a fruitless discussion, makes further discussion worthless. We're done here.

 

[Brady6]

@Miguel what happen to there is no such thing as a dumb question?

 

[Oswlek]

In a perfect world, I want a vet CB1. That would be optimal as we don't know what Malcolm will be at the end of the year (hes fine now but certainly not a shutdown CB) Ryan, Coleman and even Melvin are serviceable and I like them- but not rock stars.

They'll go 14-2 13-3 etc. in the regular season but one matchup vs a good QB and two kick ass WRs w/ a running game (see Pitt) would be a real tough one. We also saw two CBs in the SB get killed.

I just don't like the "we have a pass rush we're fine" narrative. What if the pass rush goes away vs a kick ass o-line.

Need to win different ways and having a CB1 would enable that goal.

Of course, but what team is pining to dump their cheap CB1? Or even their CB2?

That's why I don't see a trade happening. No team is going to let go of a top 2 CB and NE can watch the waiver wire if they just want to add CB depth.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Of course, but what team is pining to dump their cheap CB1? Or even their CB2?

That's why I don't see a trade happening. No team is going to let go of a top 2 CB and NE can watch the waiver wire if they just want to add CB depth.

Of course but I was asked if I wanted a CB1 or a CB2.

I wasn't asked to be realistic

 

[n1997y]

Yep. It will be tough to upgrade via trade so coaching them up is the only real choice. On the other hand there is no one I trust more to fix a problem in season.

I want to see them all get coached up. I want to see us win the Super Bowl with three UDFA corners: Butler, Coleman, and Melvin!

 

[n1997y]

Neither bad decisions nor bad luck. When you choose to fill a position with s bevy of low cost options, you do so knowing most will flop. It may have been a bad decision to use that technique, but the Pats aren't exactly swimming in cap room for the CB position.

I suspect if there is a trade, it'll be a future 7th for someone 99% of the people here haven't even heard of. Or it'll be another waiver claim, FA type guy. But the odds of NE trading for a certain top 2 CB are very low. Considering the depth at safety, if Melvin pans out they may not make a move at all.

Or, if Butler continues to develop into a passable CB1 (doesn't have to be great, just good enough), and eithe Coleman or Melvin develop into a keeper (or, ideally, both), the Pats could have the best CB values in the league. At a costly position.
Not a bad eecsision if that's the outcome.

 

[VectorPrime]

We are literally in a position where an injury to Logan freaking Ryan would be regarded as disastrous. And some of you people are ok with this.

 

[Soul_Survivor88]

We are literally in a position where an injury to Logan freaking Ryan would be regarded as disastrous. And some of you people are ok with this.

Even though the team has been through worse (i.e. 2011) an improved secondary could be the difference between competing in the Super Bowl....and losing in the playoffs

 

[patsfaninpa]

Of course, but what team is pining to dump their cheap CB1? Or even their CB2?

That's why I don't see a trade happening. No team is going to let go of a top 2 CB and NE can watch the waiver wire if they just want to add CB depth.

KC is 2-5. I hope they lose Sunday. Basically, puts them out of it. Can't see them getting hot without Jamaal Charles. Would Andy trade with his buddy BB? Sean Smith is a UFA after this season. He fits salary wise. He'd help on the field. If he plays well, even extend him. A 4th in 2016, maybe a 3 if we extend him? Gets KC their pick sooner instead of a comp pick in 2017 for a guy they prob can't keep.

 

[VectorPrime]

KC is 2-5. I hope they lose Sunday. Basically, puts them out of it. Can't see them getting hot without Jamaal Charles. Would Andy trade with his buddy BB? Sean Smith is a UFA after this season. He fits salary wise. He'd help on the field. If he plays well, even extend him. A 4th in 2016, maybe a 3 if we extend him? Gets KC their pick sooner instead of a comp pick in 2017 for a guy they prob can't keep.

Who are they playing next week?

 

[supafly]

Who are they playing next week?

The Lions, in London.

Certainly not a "gimme" that the Chiefs will lose, although with those two teams, maybe they'll both lose?

 

[supafly]

KC is 2-5. I hope they lose Sunday. Basically, puts them out of it. Can't see them getting hot without Jamaal Charles. Would Andy trade with his buddy BB? Sean Smith is a UFA after this season. He fits salary wise. He'd help on the field. If he plays well, even extend him. A 4th in 2016, maybe a 3 if we extend him? Gets KC their pick sooner instead of a comp pick in 2017 for a guy they prob can't keep.

It's probable that KC will get a 4th round comp pick IF Sean Smith moves on to a higher bidder in free agency next spring. We're making assumptions that they don't want to try and keep him, or that they "probably can't keep him." We have no idea as to whether or not that's true.

According to Over The Cap, the Chiefs will be under next year's cap by about 35 million dollars--assuming a modest 7m dollar increase across the board for all 32 teams. At the moment, they only have 115m on the books for a salary cap that's going to be in the range of 150m.

One may argue that KC is much better off trying to reach an extension with him, as he obviously helps their defense/secondary.

As you said, if Belichick offers a 3rd/4th for 2016, they'd essentially be getting the same round pick, only a year earlier, which may make it more attractive. One would have to imagine that he'd be all over it if he thought it could benefit the team. I know as fans, we'd be as happy as anything, as he would almost immediately help our secondary greatly.

 

[captain stone]

Our legacy is being held hostage by the CB position.

Bill absolutely, positively Must trade for a CB who has had any kind of productive track record; otherwise, we will Not win the SB, or perhaps even make it there.

 

[FourierSeries]

Our legacy is being held hostage by the CB position.

Bill absolutely, positively Must trade for a CB who has had any kind of productive track record; otherwise, we will Not win the SB, or perhaps even make it there.

This team is far better than last year's team. The CBs may not be better, but the team as a whole is, without question.

We have an excellent chance to repeat.

Relax.

 

[Deus Irae]

This team is far better than last year's team. The CBs may not be better, but the team as a whole is, without question.

 

[FourierSeries]

CB is clearly the only position of importance. Just ask the Ravens of 2012, Giants of 2011, the Saints of 2009.

I get that your allegiance has now switched over to the New York Jets given Revis' departure, but that's no excuse for you to pretend that we're discussing a Madden video game and that we can be stacked at every position.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Our legacy is being held hostage by the CB position.

Bill absolutely, positively Must trade for a CB who has had any kind of productive track record; otherwise, we will Not win the SB, or perhaps even make it there.

While I agree that we really do need help at CB, God help us if Butler is injured for example, there are dozens of non-CB scenarios that can arise to keep us out of the SB so your caveat is not testable.