Patriots are becoming too arrogant

[Jacky Roberts]

Must have consumed alot of French wine the other day...

Is there any 'other' type of wine? I wouldn't feed non-French wine to my dog or my worst enemy.

 

[PATSNUTme]

Denver is the only team that has really "figured out" Tom Brady and how to beat him. Numbers don't lie. Nothing would make me happier than watching Brady stick it up Shanahans butt in the playoffs, but I dont think they can beat them. I also wonder if there's a psychological element too similar to Indy's issues with the Patriots.

You mean "Champ Bailey Syndrome"?:scared:

 

[Jacky Roberts]

You mean "Champ Bailey Syndrome"?:scared:

I dont know about that, but something happens to Brady when he sees that hideous Bronco uniform.

 

[Born_a_Patriot]

Wow, that post is ignorant. Sorry to say it Jacky, but you totally lost me there. How about the $ they just shelled out to keep a core member of the team, Dan Koppen? Wouldn't arrogance be letting him go and having Hochstein or some practice squad guy take his place? Or let Seymour go and fill in Marquise Hill? What about all the other guys they signed or resigned? Matt Light, Corey Dillon, Tedy Bruschi, Tom Brady, Rosie Colvin, Mike Vrabel, etc, etc. These guys know who to keep to have a shot at a championship year in and year out. Its called cap management, and right now, they're the best in the league.

True that. That is very disrespectful to the players we have. I s like saying they are bottom feeders.

Dude I don't know what you are cooking but we don't want it.

 

[PATSNUTme]

this thread has gone on way too long and I regret that I contributed to it, AGAIN.

 

[DaBruinz]

Is there any 'other' type of wine? I wouldn't feed non-French wine to my dog or my worst enemy.

So, besides not knowing much about football and food, you know almost nothing about wines.

Got it.

And before you offer up some witty remark, I've had the pleasure of drinking French wines, German wines, Belgian wines, Australian Wines, and American wines (and I don't mean that I just went to Costco and bought them. I've been the places and had them). In each case there are good and bad wines.

 

[captain stone]

So, besides not knowing much about football and food, you know almost nothing about wines.

Got it.

And before you offer up some witty remark, I've had the pleasure of drinking French wines, German wines, Belgian wines, Australian Wines, and American wines (and I don't mean that I just went to Costco and bought them. I've been the places and had them). In each case there are good and bad wines.

"We will serve no wine before its time."

One of the all-time slogans. Does anyone remember, for which vineyard did Orson Wells make that pitch? I think I was still underage, so I never had the opportunity to learn if he spoke truth. I did, however sample plenty of Oscar, and Soju, while I was on deployment in S.Korea.

 

[ironwasp]

Is there any 'other' type of wine? I wouldn't feed non-French wine to my dog or my worst enemy.

That is kind of ignorant. Some of the best red wines in the world are made in California, and exceptional wines are also made in Italy, Spain, Australia, New Zealand, Chile, even Germany for heavens' sake. And the French are as capable of making p#ss poor wines as anywhere else.

 

[Jacky Roberts]

Assuming there is no Moss deal, it seems to me that Belichick and the Patriots are becoming far too arrogant. This "we can win with anyone on our roster" thing is getting thin.

The bottom line is the Pats are winning because of Tom Brady and a strong defensive line. The fact they won Super Bowls with Antoine Smith as RB and defensive backs like Hank Poteat and Randall Gay have, in my opinion, tainted this team to think they dont need great athletes to win championships.

The fact that this team is so far under the cap, desperately needs a WR, and is willing to walk away from getting a big time receiver in Moss has me wondering if BB has started drinking his own Kool-Aid. They lose the russian roulette battle with Branch, can't get their rookie WR on the field, but yet, they appear to be doing nothing. What gives? Brady deserves better in my opinion.

^^
You know, this post I made last year makes me feel a lot better about the Moss signing.

 

[PATSNUTme]

^^
You know, this post I made last year makes me feel a lot better about the Moss signing.

And you should have left it in the groove yard of forgotten threads.

Every point that you made, including the title, is wrong. Just because they stole Moss this year doesn't make you right last October. As you recall, we were one stop away from making the SB , without Moss.

 

[mgteich]

Are you of the position that we weren't one wide receiver away from the SB? We may agree with decisions regarding Givens, Branch, Stallworth and Moss, but I certainly believe that our decisions regarding wide receiver cost us big time. And as we now see, bb and pioli certainly understand the weakness of last year's receivers. It is quite possible that none, except one injured last year, will even make this year's team.

And you should have left it in the groove yard of forgotten threads.

Every point that you made, including the title, is wrong. Just because they stole Moss this year doesn't make you right last October. As you recall, we were one stop away from making the SB , without Moss.

 

[zippo59]

Are you of the position that we weren't one wide receiver away from the SB? We may agree with decisions regarding Givens, Branch, Stallworth and Moss, but I certainly believe that our decisions regarding wide receiver cost us big time. And as we now see, bb and pioli certainly understand the weakness of last year's receivers. It is quite possible that none, except one injured last year, will even make this year's team.

Yeah, WR was a problem last year, but to insist that it was a problem because Belichick and Pioli were too arrogant to fix it is just stupid.

 

[shmessy]

Are you of the position that we weren't one wide receiver away from the SB? We may agree with decisions regarding Givens, Branch, Stallworth and Moss, but I certainly believe that our decisions regarding wide receiver cost us big time. And as we now see, bb and pioli certainly understand the weakness of last year's receivers. It is quite possible that none, except one injured last year, will even make this year's team.

Sure, we lost 38-34 in the Indy Dome, and the Colts O carved the middle of the field in the second half, but it was our lack of WRs that did us in?

If anything, the weakness was an area that has YET to be addressed - - ILB.

 

[Clonamery]

Some threads need to die a second time....

 

[zippo59]

Sure, we lost 38-34 in the Indy Dome, and the Colts O carved the middle of the field in the second half, but it was our lack of WRs that did us in?

If anything, the weakness was an area that has YET to be addressed - - ILB.

I feel the weakness was actually safety.

 

[Patriotic Fervor]

"We will serve no wine before its time."

One of the all-time slogans. Does anyone remember, for which vineyard did Orson Wells make that pitch? I think I was still underage, so I never had the opportunity to learn if he spoke truth. I did, however sample plenty of Oscar, and Soju, while I was on deployment in S.Korea.

Paul Masson wineries.

 

[QuiGon]

Is there any 'other' type of wine? I wouldn't feed non-French wine to my dog or my worst enemy.

Eh, it's all the same... just go spend a couple dollars for a nice box of red and you're good to go..!!

 

[spacecrime]

Are you of the position that we weren't one wide receiver away from the SB?

Maybe our defense allowing about 35 points in the last 31 minutes had something to do with the loss.

 

[mgteich]

We were tied with 3:30 to go in the game 3rd and 11. There was not ONE receiver that Tom or Josh felt comfortable throwing to. There was not ONE runner healthy enough for play action or potentially running the ball for a first down in two tries.

The defense had been out on the field forever. They were on oxygen on the sidelines.

Perhaps I am stubborn, but you will never be able to convince me that if Tom had a couple of average receviers avaialable in the 4th quarter that the game would not have been easily won. His receivers can only be called "pathetic". bb and pioli saw the situation and addressed it, for 2007.

And yes, we also added one of the best linebackers in football.


"Yet to be addressed" is not the proper designation for a team that loses its top two receivers and goes into the season without a passing game.

Sure, we lost 38-34 in the Indy Dome, and the Colts O carved the middle of the field in the second half, but it was our lack of WRs that did us in?

If anything, the weakness was an area that has YET to be addressed - - ILB.

 

[DaBruinz]

We were tied with 3:30 to go in the game 3rd and 11. There was not ONE receiver that Tom or Josh felt comfortable throwing to. There was not ONE runner healthy enough for play action or potentially running the ball for a first down in two tries.

MG - Could you please provide a link to this? Every time someone mentions this, I ask for a link to be provided and, every time, no one can actually provide a link. Personally, I think its just heresay.

The defense had been out on the field forever. They were on oxygen on the sidelines.

Perhaps I am stubborn, but you will never be able to convince me that if Tom had a couple of average receviers avaialable in the 4th quarter that the game would not have been easily won. His receivers can only be called "pathetic". bb and pioli saw the situation and addressed it, for 2007.

Well, you are that (as I am). Sorry to burst your bubble but Caldwell and Gaffney are BOTH above average receivers. So, that, right there, blows up your opinion. To call them pathetic only shows a bias on your part and a lack of objectivity. Or do you not remember Caldwell making that great over-the-shoulder grab in San Diego? Or do you not remember the MULTIPLE drops that Givens and Branch had in Denver the year prior?

And yes, we also added one of the best linebackers in football.


"Yet to be addressed" is not the proper designation for a team that loses its top two receivers and goes into the season without a passing game.

The Pats had a passing game going into last season. They had expected to use Watson as their go to guy. He got hurt. It took Caldwell longer to produce than many thought. Gabriel proved he wasn't reliable and the Pats replaced him with gaffney, who finally started clicking in the play-offs. It took him about the same time it took Caldwell to get acclimated to Brady and the offense.

I have to disagree with your assessment of the LB position. They addressed only ONE of the holes there. The hole left by TBC leaving. They haven't addressed the holes at ILB. There is potential with Rogers, Lua and Warren, but they probably won't be a factor until mid-season at the earliest. What do the Pats do until then? Rely on Eric Alexander? Move Vrabel inside and put Bruschi in a position that he's not suited for?

Reality is that the Pats NEED a SILB. Until one steps up, they are in trouble at the position.