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[ViperGTS]

Brady needs to win a 5th Super Bowl. Nonsensical stories about air pressure and camera placement simply won't stand the test of time. Only options that could block/lessen the suspension are worth considering. Which it doesn't sound like there are any, hopefully his agent/lawyers know something we don't. You can't simply explain away 5 (or 4) Super Bowls with stories like this. The more GOAT Tom Brady becomes the more he's going to be hated.

Just humor me. Super Bowl 50. Vs whomever. 4th quarter. 20 seconds left for the opposing team at the 1 yard line. If they passed, and a DB made the same play MB did this year, what are the odds a flag is thrown? I say 1000000000%. That's how hard this season and any left for TB will be. Bank on it.

 

[tom444]

So you're just another science denier?

There is no scientific evidence that proves without equivocation that he's innocent.

 

[ViperGTS]

There is no scientific evidence that proves without equivocation that he's innocent.

There is no link to him stating or wanting balls illegally deflated either. The science as has been proven by Sports Science the week after it broke counters this report. The multiple inaccuracies in measurements, transcription, what was used to measure etc would lead to an immediate F on any high school level report.

The report itself states it cannot prove whether they were tampered with. Why state that? Probably they had to bury it so a) it's hard to find and b) it won't matter once it is because the reader is already sucked in by its very good setup.

Much like Pedro said there is no evidence. They have nothing. Portnoy was right as well. To proclaim as loudly as people have as to his guilt with extremely flimsy at best evidence is appalling. All someone has to do is put yourself in his shoes. Think about if this was a report about you. The would be complete disgust at how shoddy it really is.

 

[JMC00]

There is no scientific evidence that proves without equivocation that he's innocent.

Guess you've never heard the phrase innocent until proven guilty. This Wells report didn't prove what they are accusing Brady of, only that it is their opinion.

Hilarious, an NFL paid firm has the opinion that Brady knew about what the NFL is accusing him of. NFL will be laughed out of court with their "we have text messages" defense.

 

[Fencer]

Humor me.
Briefly outline facts that lead you to that conclusion.

It's actually easier to establish encouragement than knowledge.

• Brady exerted his influence to demand that the balls not be over-pressurized. The texts about the October Jets game balls and so on are evidence for that.
  
• Science -- quite possibly unknown to Brady -- suggests it's difficult to comply with that dictate and with league rules at the same time.

 

[ChesBay]

I think it's more likely than not that something went on, with Brady's knowledge and encouragement, but in the scheme of things it's trivial.

Apparently you haven't read the Wells report yet, nor have you had the opportunity to factor in the interesting perspective from many insightful and intelligent posters on this message board.

Bottom line #1: the only things that can be stated for certain based on the Wells report, are the following:
1) TB has always had certain preferences for how he likes his footballs, pressure being only one of the characteristics involved. Virtually all starting QBs in the NFL have preferences, some of which are similar to TB's... some not.
2) TB was highly miffed when he had to play with balls that were inflated to 16 psi earlier in the season (Jets game). As a result, he evidently looked up the rule for the psi levels to find that a range of 12.5 - 1.5 psi was specified. He was so irate that he had the ball boy (McNally) bring a copy of those rules to the umpire at the next home game, ostensibly to ensure that the balls were not arbitrarily inflated above the 12.5 psi level. It would be easy to understand TB's frustration at this point, knowing that the NFL officials could not even be entrusted to keep their game balls within the specified range....much less at his personal preference.
3) TB made it clear to Jastremski (and via Jastemski, to McNally) that they were to do everything within their power to ensure the balls were at 12.5 psi, which he was rightfully entitled to by the rules.
4) McNally was apparently annoyed by TB's obsessiveness and created some workplace humor (via text messages) concerning the matter. Part of that interchange (involving Jastremski) included the invoking of the "Deflator" term as it related to McNally's role. This makes a lot of sense because the underlying problem was footballs that were at pressures well above the legal range....and the need to get those over-inflated balls back into the specified range, or even better, to the lower level of that range. If he had been Aaron Rodger's ball boy I could see him referring to himself as the "Inflator".
5) The reason McNally was such a key player in all this is because he, and he alone, was the last person to have custody of the balls before the umpire approved them, and therefore was the last possible person with an ability to impress upon the umpire that the balls be inflated (or maybe even deflated?) to TB's desired 12.5 psi level.
6) McNally took custody of the approved balls and took them to the game field, stopping on the way to use the men's room for a period of 1 minute, 40 seconds.
7) The discrepancy between the pressures attested to by Walt Anderson (before the game started), and the pressures found at halftime, can be entirely attributed to the cold weather (temp differential), rain (evaporative cooling), and faulty pressure gauges.
Bottom line #2: the things that can't be stated for certain based on the Wells report, are the following:
1) Did McNally alter the balls after the umpire approved them?
2) If so did he do so when he was in the men's room? Or if not, might he merely have checked a few pressure readings (while in the men's room) to ascertain if the balls were at the desired levels?
3) Did TB direct McNally to deflate balls down to the level of 12.5 psi? Did TB direct McNally to deflate balls to a level lower than 12.5 psi?

 

[tom444]

There is no link to him stating or wanting balls illegally deflated either. The science as has been proven by Sports Science the week after it broke counters this report. The multiple inaccuracies in measurements, transcription, what was used to measure etc would lead to an immediate F on any high school level report.

The report itself states it cannot prove whether they were tampered with. Why state that? Probably they had to bury it so a) it's hard to find and b) it won't matter once it is because the reader is already sucked in by its very good setup.

Much like Pedro said there is no evidence. They have nothing. Portnoy was right as well. To proclaim as loudly as people have as to his guilt with extremely flimsy at best evidence is appalling. All someone has to do is put yourself in his shoes. Think about if this was a report about you. The would be complete disgust at how shoddy it really is.

I can't prove ****, however, I'm not going to just ignore my gut on this just because I've lived most of my life in Mass. Or because I started going to Red Sox games when I was 5. Or because I watched Russell, Cousy, etc., practice at Babson college. Or because I fell asleep listening to Bruins games as a little boy. Or because watching the Patriots play over the last 15 years has been such a pleasure. My gut says to me Brady was involved. I don't dislike him for it. I've said I don't think it's a big deal. But, I think it's true.

 

[patsfanincleveland]

True, however the precedent has now been set. I imagine it will be appealed and all that junk. The appellate system in this country is messed up anyhow.

Based on the article, that was from the Missouri high court.

Where does one go? federal court?

Perhaps some of our legal eagles can opine but I always thought state high courts rulings take precedence to everyone except the Supreme Court.

 

[upstater1]

There is no scientific evidence that proves without equivocation that he's innocent.

Wrong

Ideal Gas Law says balls should fall by 1.22.

They fell by average of 1.2.

If they'd been deflated, they would have been much lower. According to the science.

 

[ViperGTS]

It's actually easier to establish encouragement than knowledge.

• Brady exerted his influence to demand that the balls not be over-pressurized. The texts about the October Jets game balls and so on are evidence for that.
  
• Science -- quite possibly unknown to Brady -- suggests it's difficult to comply with that dictate and with league rules at the same time.

Is this Ted Wells? Hello sir. Your hypothesis are garbage as is your report. Science not being known to Brady? Fair enough. It's not known to you or Exponent as well. That very much is apparent.

You are also good at using word that indicate guilt, without having enough proof to even do that. More probably than not, general awareness, suggests it's difficult etc. All are good at stirring up public opinion and nothing much else. Congratulations, you succeeded. Now prepare for the hell you are about to endure.

I'd be updating my resume. I don't think you will be a lawyer much longer.

 

[upstater1]

I can't prove ****, however, I'm not going to just ignore my gut on this just because I've lived most of my life in Mass. Or because I started going to Red Sox games when I was 5. Or because I watched Russell, Cousy, etc., practice at Babson college. Or because I fell asleep listening to Bruins games as a little boy. Or because watching the Patriots play over the last 15 years has been such a pleasure. My gut says to me Brady was involved. I don't dislike him for it. I've said I don't think it's a big deal. But, I think it's true.

You're denying science

 

[upstater1]

It's actually easier to establish encouragement than knowledge.

• Brady exerted his influence to demand that the balls not be over-pressurized. The texts about the October Jets game balls and so on are evidence for that.
  
• Science -- quite possibly unknown to Brady -- suggests it's difficult to comply with that dictate and with league rules at the same time.

I say the texts are totally irrelevant when the science shows the AFCCG balls were not touched.

 

[ViperGTS]

Based on the article, that was from the Missouri high court.

Where does one go? federal court?

Perhaps some of our legal eagles can opine but I always thought state high courts rulings take precedence to everyone except the Supreme Court.

Exactly. I'm not an expert for sure. I think you have circuit courts of appeals then the SC. A much more knowledgable person pleas come and clear this up?

 

[tom444]

Apparently you haven't read the Wells report yet, nor have you had the opportunity to factor in the interesting perspective from many insightful and intelligent posters on this message board.

Bottom line #1: the only things that can be stated for certain based on the Wells report, are the following:
1) TB has always had certain preferences for how he likes his footballs, pressure being only one of the characteristics involved. Virtually all starting QBs in the NFL have preferences, some of which are similar to TB's... some not.
2) TB was highly miffed when he had to play with balls that were inflated to 16 psi earlier in the season (Jets game). As a result, he evidently looked up the rule for the psi levels to find that a range of 12.5 - 1.5 psi was specified. He was so irate that he had the ball boy (McNally) bring a copy of those rules to the umpire at the next home game, ostensibly to ensure that the balls were not arbitrarily inflated above the 12.5 psi level. It would be easy to understand TB's frustration at this point, knowing that the NFL officials could not even be entrusted to keep their game balls within the specified range....much less at his personal preference.
3) TB made it clear to Jastremski (and via Jastemski, to McNally) that they were to do everything within their power to ensure the balls were at 12.5 psi, which he was rightfully entitled to by the rules.
4) McNally was apparently annoyed by TB's obsessiveness and created some workplace humor (via text messages) concerning the matter. Part of that interchange (involving Jastremski) included the invoking of the "Deflator" term as it related to McNally's role. This makes a lot of sense because the underlying problem was footballs that were at pressures well above the legal range....and the need to get those over-inflated balls back into the specified range, or even better, to the lower level of that range. If he had been Aaron Rodger's ball boy I could see him referring to himself as the "Inflator".
5) The reason McNally was such a key player in all this is because he, and he alone, was the last person to have custody of the balls before the umpire approved them, and therefore was the last possible person with an ability to impress upon the umpire that the balls be inflated (or maybe even deflated?) to TB's desired 12.5 psi level.
6) McNally took custody of the approved balls and took them to the game field, stopping on the way to use the men's room for a period of 1 minute, 40 seconds.
7) The discrepancy between the pressures attested to by Walt Anderson (before the game started), and the pressures found at halftime, can be entirely attributed to the cold weather (temp differential), rain (evaporative cooling), and faulty pressure gauges.
Bottom line #2: the things that can't be stated for certain based on the Wells report, are the following:
1) Did McNally alter the balls after the umpire approved them?
2) If so did he do so when he was in the men's room? Or if not, might he merely have checked a few pressure readings (while in the men's room) to ascertain if the balls were at the desired levels?
3) Did TB direct McNally to deflate balls down to the level of 12.5 psi? Did TB direct McNally to deflate balls to a level lower than 12.5 psi?

Bottom line, you can't prove Brady didn't want, and pass along the desire, to have game balls under inflated. What you just posted doesn't prove his innocence.

 

[upstater1]

"Thats a troll response if I ever heard one."

Yeah, as if having a different opinion makes you a troll. Different opinions make forums interesting. I could have sat back and kept my mouth shut, but I decided to post my opinion.

A troll response is a non-sequitir. When I wrote about eh science of the ball pressure, you wrote, ask the deflator. Non-sequitir troll response, from someone who is afraid to look at the measurements.

 

[fair catch fryar]

You must have Joker on Ignore

Guilty as charged.

 

[patsfanincleveland]

There is no scientific evidence that proves without equivocation that he's innocent.

There is no science that can prove the Yethi, Saquatch, Nellie, and wolf man exist.

Science can't prove anything that doesn't exist because science deals in reality of what is.

However, thanks for providing everyone with a classic example of how the basic ****** in the other 31 fan bases "think".

 

[SVN]

Apparently you haven't read the Wells report yet, nor have you had the opportunity to factor in the interesting perspective from many insightful and intelligent posters on this message board.

Bottom line #1: the only things that can be stated for certain based on the Wells report, are the following:
1) TB has always had certain preferences for how he likes his footballs, pressure being only one of the characteristics involved. Virtually all starting QBs in the NFL have preferences, some of which are similar to TB's... some not.
2) TB was highly miffed when he had to play with balls that were inflated to 16 psi earlier in the season (Jets game). As a result, he evidently looked up the rule for the psi levels to find that a range of 12.5 - 1.5 psi was specified. He was so irate that he had the ball boy (McNally) bring a copy of those rules to the umpire at the next home game, ostensibly to ensure that the balls were not arbitrarily inflated above the 12.5 psi level. It would be easy to understand TB's frustration at this point, knowing that the NFL officials could not even be entrusted to keep their game balls within the specified range....much less at his personal preference.
3) TB made it clear to Jastremski (and via Jastemski, to McNally) that they were to do everything within their power to ensure the balls were at 12.5 psi, which he was rightfully entitled to by the rules.
4) McNally was apparently annoyed by TB's obsessiveness and created some workplace humor (via text messages) concerning the matter. Part of that interchange (involving Jastremski) included the invoking of the "Deflator" term as it related to McNally's role. This makes a lot of sense because the underlying problem was footballs that were at pressures well above the legal range....and the need to get those over-inflated balls back into the specified range, or even better, to the lower level of that range. If he had been Aaron Rodger's ball boy I could see him referring to himself as the "Inflator".
5) The reason McNally was such a key player in all this is because he, and he alone, was the last person to have custody of the balls before the umpire approved them, and therefore was the last possible person with an ability to impress upon the umpire that the balls be inflated (or maybe even deflated?) to TB's desired 12.5 psi level.
6) McNally took custody of the approved balls and took them to the game field, stopping on the way to use the men's room for a period of 1 minute, 40 seconds.
7) The discrepancy between the pressures attested to by Walt Anderson (before the game started), and the pressures found at halftime, can be entirely attributed to the cold weather (temp differential), rain (evaporative cooling), and faulty pressure gauges.
Bottom line #2: the things that can't be stated for certain based on the Wells report, are the following:
1) Did McNally alter the balls after the umpire approved them?
2) If so did he do so when he was in the men's room? Or if not, might he merely have checked a few pressure readings (while in the men's room) to ascertain if the balls were at the desired levels?
3) Did TB direct McNally to deflate balls down to the level of 12.5 psi? Did TB direct McNally to deflate balls to a level lower than 12.5 psi?

Not a single person in the media who has read this report can come to one these obvious conclusions. And they ignore the deflator word was used in May. In offseason. This is beyond ridiculous.

 

[The Gr8est]

Bottom line, you can't prove Brady didn't want, and pass along the desire, to have game balls under inflated. What you just posted doesn't prove his innocence.

The Wells report doesn't prove his guilt either.

Innocent until proven guilty.

 

[upstater1]

Bottom line, you can't prove Brady didn't want, and pass along the desire, to have game balls under inflated. What you just posted doesn't prove his innocence.

And this is totally irrelevant when it has already been shown that the balls for the AFCCG weren't deflated by anyone.