Patriots and Edelman discussing new contract

[ctpatsfan77]

Where has it been indicated or reported that they're signing him for lots of dollars? I haven't seen a report with numbers as of yet. As for what they'll pay him, I would hope it's not more than a WR3 should earn. Otherwise he should be let go.

The problem with talking about what "a WR3 should earn" is that, in this offense, is the slot receiver really the WR3?

In the Moss/Welker era, Moss was 1a and Welker was 1b. In the 2-TE era, he was 1a and Branch/Lloyd was 1b.

 

[Brady6]

4-years/$18M with $8 guaranteed ($6M signing bonus and $2M base for 2014).

5-years/$22.5M with $9.5M guaranteed ($7.5M signing bonus and $2M base for 2014).

Welker including the year he was tagged made an average of $4.6M APY during his tenure here. I would not pay Edelman or Amendola more than $4.5M.

 

[mgteich]

I would note that we could cut Amendola. If we keep him, his contract calls for $4.5M AAV over four years plus game and workout incentives. Only $2M will be guaranteed. Given your analysis, this is a good deal.

Last year's money is irrelevant. The bonus is irrelevant.

The open question is whether we would sign Amendola for the amounts remaining on his contract if he were a free agent this year. I suspect that the answer is "yes".

Belichick's answer on Amendola will come within a week.

4-years/$18M with $8 guaranteed ($6M signing bonus and $2M base for 2014).

5-years/$22.5M with $9.5M guaranteed ($7.5M signing bonus and $2M base for 2014).

Welker including the year he was tagged made an average of $4.6M APY during his tenure here. I would not pay Edelman or Amendola more than $4.5M.

 

[Jimke]

Wonder if this means talks with Talib are going nowhere so they've turned their attention to Edelman.

Bob Kraft might not want the bad publicity that would result from losing
his top two free agents.

 

[mgteich]

Welker and Woodhead say hi.

The team will spend its cap money. We will sign free agents. I don't think that the brand will lose value if the team signs different players to replace Talib and Edelman.

Bob Kraft might not want the bad publicity that would result from losing
his top two free agents.

 

[Nunchucks]

Bob Kraft might not want the bad publicity that would result from losing
his top two free agents.

The day the Patriots start worrying about publicity related to FA signings, is the day the team will begin the slide to mediocrity or worse.

 

[Jimke]

The team needs to know whether they have Edelman so that they can make a more informed decision regarding Amendola.

We'll know a lot more by this time next week.

By this time next week, our top free agents (Talib, Edelman, Blount,
and Spikes) will have been re-signed by us or signed with other teams.
Hopefully, replacements will have been signed to replace lost players as
was the case with Welker (Amendola).

 

[mgteich]

I don't know why you think that all will be resolved by next week.

Didn't Talib, Vollmer, Woodhead, Thomas, and Arrington take longer to resolve last year? Perhaps, I remember incorrectly.

I would add Wendell to you list. We have five starters who are free agents.

I understand that Welker/Amendola decisions were completed early.

By this time next week, our top free agents (Talib, Edelman, Blount,
and Spikes) will have been re-signed by us or signed with other teams.
Hopefully, replacements will have been signed to replace lost players as
was the case with Welker (Amendola).

 

[Snake Eyes]

Bob Kraft might not want the bad publicity that would result from losing his top two free agents.

I doubt there would be much press, and if there was I doubt Kraft would give a rats @$$ about it.

 

[SalemPats]

cap should go up over the next few years

I'm thinking 5 years 30M (10.5M guaranteed)

 

[Brady6]

I would note that we could cut Amendola. If we keep him, his contract calls for $4.5M AAV over four years plus game and workout incentives. Only $2M will be guaranteed. Given your analysis, this is a good deal.

Last year's money is irrelevant. The bonus is irrelevant.

The open question is whether we would sign Amendola for the amounts remaining on his contract if he were a free agent this year. I suspect that the answer is "yes".

Belichick's answer on Amendola will come within a week.

No, it is relevant still, it may be a sunk cost, but it is still relevant if he remains on this roster. It is only irrelevant when determining whether to move on from him, because you cannot recover it, but if you considering further investing into him you damn sure better consider the costs you have already sunk into it. This type of thought is how people go broke investing.

I would not sign Amendola for that cost, and the reason is simple. I could sign Austin Collie for $765K non-guaranteed for one year, I think Collie offers basically the same skill set, same potential production and carries the same risk of injury. Amendola had one shot, he was signed by a marquee franchise, given the chance to replace the greatest slot receiver of his era, play with the GOAT QB, and was paid big money to do so, and he failed with his one chance. He showed the entire NFL that he is not the next Welker and is unable to remain on the football field. Now he is Austin Collie in my opinion, a player who can be productive as a fourth or fifth option but carries to much risk to justify a long-term contract.

 

[Observer]

I do not really get the Edelmen love. The guy is a solid slot receiver in an offense that features the slot receiver with a QB that is deadly accurate in the short-mid range. I just do not see the need to resign this guy for lots of dollars.

I think that you summarized exactly why resigning him should be high priority.

 

[mgteich]

You have again made clear you lack of understanding of investing. I strongly suggest that you rely on a financial advisor for your investing.

With regard to the subject at hand, if you are anywhere near correct, Amendola should not be on the team and will end up getting under a million from another team. We will all watch.

No, it is relevant still, it may be a sunk cost, but it is still relevant if he remains on this roster. It is only irrelevant when determining whether to move on from him, because you cannot recover it, but if you considering further investing into him you damn sure better consider the costs you have already sunk into it. This type of thought is how people go broke investing.

I would not sign Amendola for that cost, and the reason is simple. I could sign Austin Collie for $765K non-guaranteed for one year, I think Collie offers basically the same skill set, same potential production and carries the same risk of injury. Amendola had one shot, he was signed by a marquee franchise, given the chance to replace the greatest slot receiver of his era, play with the GOAT QB, and was paid big money to do so, and he failed with his one chance. He showed the entire NFL that he is not the next Welker and is unable to remain on the football field. Now he is Austin Collie in my opinion, a player who can be productive as a fourth or fifth option but carries to much risk to justify a long-term contract.

 

[Brady6]

You have again made clear you lack of understanding of investing. I strongly suggest that you rely on a financial advisor for your investing.

With regard to the subject at hand, if you are anywhere near correct, Amendola should not be on the team and will end up getting under a million from another team. We will all watch.

I do just fine trust me.

The remaining bonus is sunk but it is relevant. It is a total investment against a total return. Do you want to put more money into something to attempt to reap a return or do you want to cut your ties and move on to something else.

Amendola is the house that is already purchased, are you putting more money into that house or are you going to sell out short and buy a new house with your money? You do not look at the house and say well the mortgage is only $X and the rest is irrelevant now.

What part of that are you missing, because you suggest I don't understand investing but no disrespect your posts would indicate that is more your issue.

 

[supafly]

Amendola had one shot, he was signed by a marquee franchise, given the chance to replace the greatest slot receiver of his era, play with the GOAT QB, and was paid big money to do so, and he failed with his one chance.

Why does this post somehow remind me of my parents never being satisfied with my report card?

 

[50-yard-line]

Amendola had one shot, he was signed by a marquee franchise, given the chance to replace the greatest slot receiver of his era, play with the GOAT QB, and was paid big money to do so, and he failed with his one chance.

Wow. Just wow.

 

[Froob]

No, it is relevant still, it may be a sunk cost, but it is still relevant if he remains on this roster. It is only irrelevant when determining whether to move on from him, because you cannot recover it, but if you considering further investing into him you damn sure better consider the costs you have already sunk into it. This type of thought is how people go broke investing.

I would not sign Amendola for that cost, and the reason is simple. I could sign Austin Collie for $765K non-guaranteed for one year, I think Collie offers basically the same skill set, same potential production and carries the same risk of injury. Amendola had one shot, he was signed by a marquee franchise, given the chance to replace the greatest slot receiver of his era, play with the GOAT QB, and was paid big money to do so, and he failed with his one chance. He showed the entire NFL that he is not the next Welker and is unable to remain on the football field. Now he is Austin Collie in my opinion, a player who can be productive as a fourth or fifth option but carries to much risk to justify a long-term contract.

Amendola tore his groin...Collie caught like 5 passes on the season.

 

[Brady6]

Amendola tore his groin...Collie caught like 5 passes on the season.

Yet he had 5 receptions in the playoffs to Amendola’s 3.

Collie is a good player; he has had a lot he has nearly as many career yards as Amendola and double the career touchdowns of Amendola. His issue is the concerns around his health, prior to 2012 Collie was the more productive player and playing on winning team. Injuries make him a risk and that keeps him from getting a long-term deal.

If you ask me, he offers the same skillset as Amendola and comes with the same risk of injury, at the same exact age I will take Collie for $715K a year over Amendola for $5.7M a year any day of the week.

If you would like enlighten me on what Amendola possess on the football field that has more upside than Austin Collie I would most certainly read it, please feel free.

 

[mgteich]

Stock is a much better example. Let us presume that there are no transaction charges. Given that current online trading charges, that is almost accurate. Let's also ignore tax consequences. Let's be in an IRA.

Every day, you make the choice whether to buy or sell each stock you hold at the market price. It is really that simple. It make exactly zero difference what you paid for the stock or how it has performed in the past. One of the most common mistakes of investors is to fail to sell because of past history (what they paid and prior earnings).

I do just fine trust me.

The remaining bonus is sunk but it is relevant. It is a total investment against a total return. Do you want to put more money into something to attempt to reap a return or do you want to cut your ties and move on to something else.

Amendola is the house that is already purchased, are you putting more money into that house or are you going to sell out short and buy a new house with your money? You do not look at the house and say well the mortgage is only $X and the rest is irrelevant now.

What part of that are you missing, because you suggest I don't understand investing but no disrespect your posts would indicate that is more your issue.

 

[Brady6]

Wow. Just wow.

Why does this post somehow remind me of my parents never being satisfied with my report card?

Let me ask you this; are any of the things that I wrote in the post disputable? Did he sign with a marquee franchise, was he given the opportunity to start, was he slated to replace the best slot receiver of his era, did he play on the team with the GOAT QB, and was he paid big money to do so? In the 11 games other than the 3 good games he had against the Bills, Steelers, and Dolphins Amendola averaged 3 receptions, 32 yards, and 0.08 touchdowns per game, would you not consider 3 receptions, 32 yards, and 0.08 touchdowns per game a failure?

This is the freaking NFL guys, this is not a pickup game on a Sunday afternoon, do you think players regularly receive more than one chance in this league? They might get signed but it certainly is not the same situation. I am not sure why everyone believes an approaching 29-year-old slot receiver who has played 50% of his games over the previous 3 seasons would be given another chance. This is not a first round talent we are talking about here, Amendola was a UDFA who came off a practice squad, he beat the odds just getting this one opportunity.