Rumor or Speculation (IDK): Patriots shopping Amendola

[RayClay]

Bishop to Morey pre-season fireworks!
Every summer I get jacked & pumped with binks and again forget that playing against fall season landscape workers does not mean success in the NFL.
This summah will be no different! Bring it!

Bam Childress is a free agent. Just saying...

 

[RayClay]

Bam Childress says 'hi'. That guy rocked preseason.

He could have been the next Troy Brown - if only the coach let him play more in the regular season games.

Should have guessed I'd be preceded.

 

[RayClay]

I also trust TC...perhaps more than any other scribe

And a big minus for Gaspar.

 

[RayClay]

From my perspective, this could be about Belichick wanting to see a player succeed even if it is not as a member of his team. If the Patriots retain Edelman, which appears to be their desire then Amendola most likely would become the #3 or #4 receiver on this team, is that really in the best interest of Amendola? Belichick and Kraft likely made a commitment to Amendola that he would be a starter when he signed here last offseason, if Edelman is here they will not be able to uphold that commitment so they are likely trying to do right by Amendola and find him a place that can, while helping the team at the same time.

Belichick has always attempted to let coaches and players that were under him go to places that gave them the best opportunity to succeed, he has never held a player back for the sake of hording talent. Bledsoe, Cassel, and others have all been examples of this, even McDaniels this season with the Browns opportunity, Belichick never holds people back.

If you are a fan of Amendola, do you really want to see him as a fourth receiver? I am not even a huge fan and I would prefer to see the guy get an opportunity to go someplace where he can meet his max potential.

I'm sure Bill would rather help some other team than have a good 3rd or 4th receiver. Why be selfish?

 

[Brady6]

I'm sure Bill would rather help some other team than have a good 3rd or 4th receiver. Why be selfish?

I do not think Bill is so insecure that he needs to keep a player from reaching his potential simply to ensure another team does not benefit. If Amendola is going to be a third or fourth receiver, it is best for both sides for him to move onto another franchise, and if those who have gone one for months with endless support of Amendola want him to be a sixth option in the Patriots’ offense, then they are no fans of Danny Amendola.

 

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I do not think Bill is so insecure that he needs to keep a player from reaching his potential simply to ensure another team does not benefit. If Amendola is going to be a third or fourth receiver, it is best for both sides for him to move onto another franchise, and if those who have gone one for months with endless support of Amendola want him to be a sixth option in the Patriots’ offense, then they are no fans of Danny Amendola.

Comparing Wes Welker to Danny Amendola | ChatPats.com

Great read on the Billy Ball metrics.

Edelman really shines for his last year performance (he's mentioned all the way through the comparison). Anyone who thinks Amendola a bust, really should read this.

And that's with Amendola playing on a torn groin. He is NOT a #3 or #4 receiver, sorry.

Earlier in the thread, I posted the stats for every other big name WR from last year.

If the Pats dump him, they're foolish and they'll regret it, I think.

 

[RayClay]

I do not think Bill is so insecure that he needs to keep a player from reaching his potential simply to ensure another team does not benefit. If Amendola is going to be a third or fourth receiver, it is best for both sides for him to move onto another franchise, and if those who have gone one for months with endless support of Amendola want him to be a sixth option in the Patriots’ offense, then they are no fans of Danny Amendola.

I wasn't going to bother replying to this, but Bill is going to do whatever helps this team, no matter how small. If a player isn't helping as much as a replacement, sure, he'll be magnanimous.

here's a contract issue with Amendola due to Edelman's year, but I bet his usefulness to us will be much higher than trade value/contract considerations. Of course they might not have many options on his contract right away, but they don't have a lot of good options at receiver either, given the importance of knowing the system.

I don't believe in numbering receivers, at least for this team. We have roles and that often dictates how much your used.

 

[Brady6]

I wasn't going to bother replying to this, but Bill is going to do whatever helps this team, no matter how small. If a player isn't helping as much as a replacement, sure, he'll be magnanimous.

here's a contract issue with Amendola due to Edelman's year, but I bet his usefulness to us will be much higher than trade value/contract considerations. Of course they might not have many options on his contract right away, but they don't have a lot of good options at receiver either, given the importance of knowing the system.

I don't believe in numbering receivers, at least for this team. We have roles and that often dictates how much your used.

I disagree with that, if Belichick only did what was best for the team at the expense of the players themselves he would not be successful. He is a leader, and people do not follow the lead of people who are using them without caring, players trust that Belichick has their best interest in mind and that is why they play hard for him. If he only cared about the team he would not have let McDaniels interview in Cleveland, and I can name about 20 other player and coach’s situation like that.

Belichick will do what is best for the players because he know the perception it sets within his locker room and within the NFL. It is about motivation and sometimes you let one player or coach move on to a better situation but it creates a trickle effect of motivation and team moral that benefits in the end.

 

[RayClay]

I disagree with that, if Belichick only did what was best for the team at the expense of the players themselves he would not be successful. He is a leader, and people do not follow the lead of people who are using them without caring, players trust that Belichick has their best interest in mind and that is why they play hard for him. If he only cared about the team he would not have let McDaniels interview in Cleveland, and I can name about 20 other player and coach’s situation like that.

Belichick will do what is best for the players because he know the perception it sets within his locker room and within the NFL.

Wow, are you out of touch with reality. Belichick's only, repeat only reason to live is to win football games.

Promotions

The NFL does not differentiate between levels of assistant coaches in its rules regarding their availability to interview with other teams. Whether the coach is a defensive line coach or an offensive coordinator, the rules are the same. If a team wishes to interview an assistant coach who is still under contract with another team for its head coaching position, the current team is required to give permission for the interview as long as it happens between the end of the team's season and March 1. After March 1, teams can still ask, but the current team is not obligated to give permission.

http://www.ehow.com/list_6742856_nfl-rules-interviewing-assistant-coaches.html

 

[Brady6]

Wow, are you out of touch with reality. Belichick's only, repeat only reason to live is to win football games.

I am not out of touch with anything, McDaniels need permission to interview which Belichick granted. You must have forgotten that we were still playing at the time, your quote only applies when the season has concluded for the team.

If you really think that people follow the lead of people who just do what is best for themselves only you have a flawed view of how the world works, no player would give there all for a coach that they did not trust had their best interest in mind.

Sort of ironic that you are suggesting this with what your signature has as a quote. Moral, trust, leadership are all aspects of building a team, right now you are saying Belichick collects talent.

 

[supafly]

Comparing Wes Welker to Danny Amendola | ChatPats.com

Great read on the Billy Ball metrics.

Edelman really shines for his last year performance (he's mentioned all the way through the comparison). Anyone who thinks Amendola a bust, really should read this.

And that's with Amendola playing on a torn groin. He is NOT a #3 or #4 receiver, sorry.

Earlier in the thread, I posted the stats for every other big name WR from last year.

If the Pats dump him, they're foolish and they'll regret it, I think.

So, our blocking eyes were correct, 50.

Amendola (leads the way) at +2.6
Welker +2.4
Edelman MINUS -3.2

Interesting that Amendola played 1/2 the snaps that Edelman did, while seeing about 1/2 the targets, and catching about 1/2 the receptions. Are you seeing any patterns developing here?

I think we're in agreement that we'd both still prefer to see Welker here, and after that the million dollar question becomes "which one do you think stays healthier?" The answer to that would probably be "who the hell really knows."

 

[captain stone]

If the Pats dump him, they're foolish and they'll regret it, I think.

If some team signs ToughGlass to a multi-year, big-money contract,
they're foolish and they'll regret it.

 

[mgteich]

How long have you followed the patriots?

Belichick has only one priority: what is best for the team.

Sometimes, he acts in ways that helps players, especially veterans leaving. Even these choices are done in order to serve the #1 priority.

Make no mistake. Belichick does not have the interests of the players as a high priority. If he thought that he could win more games without Brady, Brady would be gone. Belichick made his approach clear a long time ago and has made this clear again and again. The players understand that the approach of Belichick is to treat football as a business, run by folks with little regard for their employees, except to the degree that actions will get more production from those employees.

I disagree with that, if Belichick only did what was best for the team at the expense of the players themselves he would not be successful. He is a leader, and people do not follow the lead of people who are using them without caring, players trust that Belichick has their best interest in mind and that is why they play hard for him. If he only cared about the team he would not have let McDaniels interview in Cleveland, and I can name about 20 other player and coach’s situation like that.

Belichick will do what is best for the players because he know the perception it sets within his locker room and within the NFL. It is about motivation and sometimes you let one player or coach move on to a better situation but it creates a trickle effect of motivation and team moral that benefits in the end.

 

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So, our blocking eyes were correct, 50.

Amendola (leads the way) at +2.6
Welker +2.4
Edelman MINUS -3.2

Interesting that Amendola played 1/2 the snaps that Edelman did, while seeing about 1/2 the targets, and catching about 1/2 the receptions. Are you seeing any patterns developing here?

I think we're in agreement that we'd both still prefer to see Welker here, and after that the million dollar question becomes "which one do you think stays healthier?" The answer to that would probably be "who the hell really knows."

The slot and outside comparisons were very interesting, and really told me that there is room for both on this team. It looks very much like Edelman got pushed into the slot after Amendola's injury made it a no-go on him with the short crisp cuts.

That article wants me to see them sign Jules more, both for the depth and versatility it offers (since both get hurt a lot, like many slot receivers).

Volin's angle on all of this is troubling to me - he keeps claiming (did it on the radio again yesterday) that Brady lost all faith in Amendola and wouldn't throw to him in the AFCCG several times even though he was wide open.

Aside from the fact that Volin conveniently ignores the AFCDG, where Edelman (84) and Amendola (77) accounted for almost all the Pats passing yards, Volin's claims seem to me to be an indictment on Brady.

So, Amendola's open a few yards down the field for a first down on 3rd and 4, and Brady doesn't trust him so he throws a bomb to a covered Matthew Slater?

It's funny, because I remember a saying..."Who is Brady's favorite receiver? The one who's open."

So I think Volin is full of crap, and HE was the one who got all of this rolling, right after the AFCCG with his claims - which he admitted were purely speculative on his part - that Brady had lost faith in Amendola.

 

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If some team signs ToughGlass to a multi-year, big-money contract,
they're foolish and they'll regret it.

Who, Edelman? I hope you're right, so we can get him back.

 

[AzorianPats]

The slot and outside comparisons were very interesting, and really told me that there is room for both on this team. It looks very much like Edelman got pushed into the slot after Amendola's injury made it a no-go on him with the short crisp cuts.

That article wants me to see them sign Jules more, both for the depth and versatility it offers (since both get hurt a lot, like many slot receivers).

Volin's angle on all of this is troubling to me - he keeps claiming (did it on the radio again yesterday) that Brady lost all faith in Amendola and wouldn't throw to him in the AFCCG several times even though he was wide open.

Aside from the fact that Volin conveniently ignores the AFCDG, where Edelman (84) and Amendola (77) accounted for almost all the Pats passing yards, Volin's claims seem to me to be an indictment on Brady.

So, Amendola's open a few yards down the field for a first down on 3rd and 4, and Brady doesn't trust him so he throws a bomb to a covered Matthew Slater?

It's funny, because I remember a saying..."Who is Brady's favorite receiver? The one who's open."

So I think Volin is full of crap, and HE was the one who got all of this rolling, right after the AFCCG with his claims - which he admitted were purely speculative on his part - that Brady had lost faith in Amendola.

Volin is an idiot.

Wasn't he the guy that was throwing the trade Gronk for Fitzgerald straight up?

 

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Volin is an idiot.

Wasn't he the guy that was throwing the trade Gronk for Fitzgerald straight up?

He's a sportswriter who wears his agenda on his sleeve. He lasered in on Amendola's lack of production in that one game as some sort of revelation (again, ignoring the previous week, apparently) or excuse.

So it wasn't about Brady missing a wide-open Edelman for a touchdown bomb.
It wasn't about the defense giving up 21 first downs when the Patriots had 24 total yards...and on and on.

By Volin's reasoning, can you imagine that Peyton Manning lost confidence in Eric Decker in the Superbowl, particularly after Demarius Thomas got his body restructured by Kam Chencellor early on? And now people are actually thinking of Decker as the top FA WR? What madness!

 

[Brady6]

How long have you followed the patriots?

Belichick has only one priority: what is best for the team.

Sometimes, he acts in ways that helps players, especially veterans leaving. Even these choices are done in order to serve the #1 priority.

Make no mistake. Belichick does not have the interests of the players as a high priority. If he thought that he could win more games without Brady, Brady would be gone. Belichick made his approach clear a long time ago and has made this clear again and again. The players understand that the approach of Belichick is to treat football as a business, run by folks with little regard for their employees, except to the degree that actions will get more production from those employees.

Do you realize how absurd this sounds? Do you think this is a dictatorship with Belichick on his throne barking orders and everyone listens without being able to make choices on their own? He absolutely has the players best interest as a top priority otherwise they would see that and not respect him, or care about what he wants them to do.

You need to look at the big picture, if Belichick did not have the interest of his players in mind he would not have their trust, respect, or attention, and he would have failed as a head coach, if you do not realize that you are living in a warped reality. They do not have to listen to Belichick, he has to make them want to listen, and he surely is not going to do that by not prioritizing their interests.

I am not sure if you follow the Red Sox but Bobby Valentine was an example of a coach who did not have his player’s interests as a priority, they did not play hard for him. Insert John Farrell who did show them that he had their interests in mind and earned their trust and the team wins a world series.

 

[Jimke]

How long have you followed the patriots?

Belichick has only one priority: what is best for the team.

Sometimes, he acts in ways that helps players, especially veterans leaving. Even these choices are done in order to serve the #1 priority.

Make no mistake. Belichick does not have the interests of the players as a high priority. If he thought that he could win more games without Brady, Brady would be gone. Belichick made his approach clear a long time ago and has made this clear again and again. The players understand that the approach of Belichick is to treat football as a business, run by folks with little regard for their employees, except to the degree that actions will get more production from those employees.

I read a quote yesterday from Brady's father. It went something like this.
If BB had a player as good as Tom who would play for $1 less, BB would
cut Tom.

 

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I read a quote yesterday from Brady's father. It went something like this.
If BB had a player as good as Tom who would play for $1 less, BB would
cut Tom.

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