What the Pats want for Mallet according to

[Huckleberry1]

But only if BOB et. al. disagree vehemently will there be a trade of The Hammah!

This is really all it comes down to. IF O'Brien believes Mallett has more potential than the college kids then he will try to make the best deal he can for him and use the first overall to meet other needs. He could trade out and pick up multiple picks and address multiple needs while still getting his QB if he does believe in Mallett. If he doesn't then his only move would be to float it as a distraction while manuevering to get Bridgewater or Bortles or McCarron, I don't think Manziel fits what O'Brien is going to want to do.

 

[SB39]

This is really all it comes down to. IF O'Brien believes Mallett has more potential than the college kids then he will try to make the best deal he can for him and use the first overall to meet other needs. He could trade out and pick up multiple picks and address multiple needs while still getting his QB if he does believe in Mallett. If he doesn't then his only move would be to float it as a distraction while manuevering to get Bridgewater or Bortles or McCarron, I don't think Manziel fits what O'Brien is going to want to do.

Well, trading for Mallett could certainly be the key for any team interested in acquiring Winston or Mariota.

 

[SB39]

Why do people think that Patriots back up QBs who have basically spent their careers watching Tom Brady, automatically bring wins with them to their new teams?

Amen, bro. I said the exact same thing in an earlier post. During practice, I think Tom Brady is a bit more focused on the upcoming opponent than on coaching up Ryan Mallett.

(And if that's not true, I would be very worried and would lose a lot of respect for Brady - but fortunately, I do not worry about that being untrue)

 

[letekro]

His arm is better than Brady's.....how? Because he can throw it further? Not that I've ever seen it, but I'll give you that he can throw better on the move, but touch passes? They both suck at them. Every one of Mallet's passes is 300 MPH. Brady, when he's throwing fastballs, hits guys 5-10 yards downfield. Mallet throws them in the dirt or over their head.

There is ample tape of Mallett throwing the fade. He throws it well. Brady doesn't really throw it all, and when he does he is inaccurate. Brady is a baseball player. He can really sling it and is deadly accurate when thowing with a low trajectory, but struggles when he has to take something off the ball. I don't mean to suggest Mallett compares to Brady, just that Mallett demonstrated rare ability in the toughest conference in college football, and that should not be ignored, especially since he has been a good hard working teammate in the NFL, which disproves the concers that caused him to slip in the draft.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I am just wondering why O'Brien went along with Mallett as Brady's backup when he knew how much he sucked?

 

[letekro]

Amen, bro. I said the exact same thing in an earlier post. During practice, I think Tom Brady is a bit more focused on the upcoming opponent than on coaching up Ryan Mallett.

(And if that's not true, I would be very worried and would lose a lot of respect for Brady - but fortunately, I do not worry about that being untrue)

First of all, Tom Brady teaches by example. And yes, that teaching is valuable.

Second, unlike the other JAG's that the Patriots have developed, Mallett has very rare ability. His performance against Ohio State in the Sugar Bowl--where he got no help from his WRs and OL--is evidence of that.

Ryan Mallet vs Ohio State - YouTube

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

I'm beginning to suspect a Mallet relative here.

 

[letekro]

I'm beginning to suspect a Mallet relative here.

Funny guy. Maybe it's the same relative that decided to use the 73rd pick in the draft on Mallett when the Pats were already set at QB with Brady and Hoyer. Mallett's game has holes--he is slow-footed, and he relies too much on his arm at times which causes him to hold on to the ball too long at times--but you're just showing yourself to be ignorant about the game by not acknowledging his obvious ability. In addition to my eyes, I'll take the opinion of the Pats' scouting department, and Jaws and Gruden, who were gushing over him at the draft, over yours.

 

[Deus Irae]

Funny guy. Maybe it's the same relative that decided to use the 73rd pick in the draft on Mallett when the Pats were already set at QB with Brady and Hoyer. Mallett's game has holes--he is slow-footed, and he relies too much on his arm at times which causes him to hold on to the ball too long at times--but you're just showing yourself to be ignorant about the game by not acknowledging his obvious ability. In addition to my eyes, I'll take the opinion of the Pats' scouting department, and Jaws and Gruden, who were gushing over him at the draft, over yours.

Wait..... The guy claiming that Mallett has better touch than Brady is calling someone else ignorant?

 

[SB39]

First of all, Tom Brady teaches by example. And yes, that teaching is valuable.

Puh-leeze.

You people have a point that having a good coaching staff around Mallett is an asset but acting like having Tom Brady around makes him any better at throwing accuracy, reading defenses or pocket presence is a stretch (to say the least).

 

[SB39]

Funny guy. Maybe it's the same relative that decided to use the 73rd pick in the draft on Mallett when the Pats were already set at QB with Brady and Hoyer. Mallett's game has holes--he is slow-footed, and he relies too much on his arm at times which causes him to hold on to the ball too long at times--but you're just showing yourself to be ignorant about the game by not acknowledging his obvious ability. In addition to my eyes, I'll take the opinion of the Pats' scouting department, and Jaws and Gruden, who were gushing over him at the draft, over yours.

Ah yes, the old "appeal to authority" logical fallacy.

When someone employs that logical fallacy, you know they really have nothing left.

 

[supafly]

Puh-leeze.

You people have a point that having a good coaching staff around Mallett is an asset but acting like having Tom Brady around makes him any better at throwing accuracy, reading defenses or pocket presence is a stretch (to say the least).

Not meaning to be argumentative with you after yesterday, but there's certainly a possibility that the truth may lie in the middle.

I believe you when you claim that Brady is more focused on the upcoming opponent as opposed to teaching the backup QB, but one can reasonably assume that having Tom Brady's work ethic, film study habits, ability to break things down with his receivers, etc are definitely going to be positive traits to come away with.

In other words, I'm sure that working with Brady/watching Brady do certain things is a definite plus as opposed to being the backup for most of the other QBs. That said, I still don't believe that Mallett is worth anything more than a 4th at best right now.

 

[letekro]

Wait..... The guy claiming that Mallett has better touch than Brady is calling someone else ignorant?

I provided a link to one game where Mallett threw 4 gorgeous fades, two of which went for TDS against blanket coverage. I honestly don't know if Tommy has completed that many in his entire career. He's working on it. He tried a bunch with Dobson this year. Completed one, I think. Don't worry about the facts though Deus, never stopped you in the past.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Puh-leeze.

You people have a point that having a good coaching staff around Mallett is an asset but acting like having Tom Brady around makes him any better at throwing accuracy, reading defenses or pocket presence is a stretch (to say the least).

Actually, acting as though young QB's learn nothing from Brady Is the reach. The truth is that Belichick has always tried to have veteran leaders on every unit to help teach the young players.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Not meaning to be argumentative with you after yesterday, but there's certainly a possibility that the truth may lie in the middle.

I believe you when you claim that Brady is more focused on the upcoming opponent as opposed to teaching the backup QB, but one can reasonably assume that having Tom Brady's work ethic, film study habits, ability to break things down with his receivers, etc are definitely going to be positive traits to come away with.

In other words, I'm sure that working with Brady/watching Brady do certain things is a definite plus as opposed to being the backup for most of the other QBs. That said, I still don't believe that Mallett is worth anything more than a 4th at best right now.

He may not bring the 2nd we all want but I have no idea where you come up with the idea that he is worth less with 3 years experience and after proving his character than when he was Drafted SUP.

 

[Deus Irae]

I provided a link to one game where Mallett threw 4 gorgeous fades, two of which went for TDS against blanket coverage. I honestly don't know if Tommy has completed that many in his entire career. He's working on it. He tried a bunch with Dobson this year. Completed one, I think. Don't worry about the facts though Deus, never stopped you in the past.

Yes, providing one link to 4 throws is exactly the same thing as proving your assertion with facts. :singing:

 

[letekro]

Ah yes, the old "appeal to authority" logical fallacy.

When someone employs that logical fallacy, you know they really have nothing left.

...expert opinion is relevant and resolves disputes every day in the courts. Lay opinion, which would encompass your thoughts on football, and likely logic as well, ain't.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Well, trading for Mallett could certainly be the key for any team interested in acquiring Winston or Mariota.

I am still waiting to hear why O'Brien was willing to stand by Mallett as the back up for Brady if he sucked so bad?

It must be because Belichick and O'Brien don't know nearly as much as the experts in this forum who have spent absolutely no time watching him practice or play.

I can understand skepticism about what they may or may not get for any player because we routinely overvalue them, however in this case the new HC of the Texans was his coach and it is certainly possible he showed Jim that he has the talent and make up to be a really good NFL QB,and if that is the case a deal for him could happen, nothing farfetchefd about it.

 

[SB39]

I am still waiting to hear why O'Brien was willing to stand by Mallett as the back up for Brady if he sucked so bad?

Key word: BACKUP.

The Patriots are not getting the #33 pick in the draft for a career backup with 1 year remaining on his contract who has shown absolutely no indication whatsoever that he can succeed at the professional level.

 

[Triumph]

First of all, Tom Brady teaches by example. And yes, that teaching is valuable.

Rohan Davey, Kliff Kingsbury, Damon Huard, Kevin OConnel, Mat Cassel, Brian Hoyer, Zac Robinson.