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[RI Patriots fan]

I believe you are wrong but it isn't really that relevant.
It is equally instructive to say that heterosexual sex outside of marriage is as forbidden as homosexual sex.

So any unacceptability toward gays would also go toward any straight unmarried person who commits the morally indignant act of having sex with someone of the opposite sex that they are not married to?

Actually I am 100% correct. I am well versed in my faith.

And correct, it is immoral to have heterosexual sex outside of marriage.

Again, I am not "unaccepting' of homosexuals....I have clearly said that homosexual acts are immoral. I will also say that heterosexual acts outside of marriage are immoral also. I have also said that it is not a sin to have same sex desires. So someone can, in fact, be a homsexual and be a good Catholic. In fact, I believe that there are homosexual Saints and I also believe that there are homosexuals on earth right now who will be Saints in heaven.

 

[Nikolai]

I try to give a **** that Judaism isn't "god's true church" but I just can't make myself care enough. :confused2:

But, hey, instead of one day of presents, we have eight crazzzzzzyyy nights!

 

[Kontradiction]

This is a great place for this thread. Now the guy with the snake from "The Jungle Book" as his avatar can come and talk to himself about this "important issue".

 

[RI Patriots fan]

I am sure God just told Cardinal Law to ship the Pedophile priests to other dioceses, that'll cure them. And then God promoted Cardinal Law to Rome because he did such a good job........................

The guarantee of infallibilty does not apply to individual Bishops and their actions. It only applies to the teachings of faith and morals when they are in Council or Universally in agreement.

Basically, God only guarantees us the truth. He does not guarantee us that the Bishops or the laity will live it.

 

[Ring 6]

Actually I am 100% correct. I am well versed in my faith.

And correct, it is immoral to have heterosexual sex outside of marriage.

Again, I am not "unaccepting' of homosexuals....I have clearly said that homosexual acts are immoral. I will also say that heterosexual acts outside of marriage are immoral also. I have also said that it is not a sin to have same sex desires. So someone can, in fact, be a homsexual and be a good Catholic. In fact, I believe that there are homosexual Saints and I also believe that there are homosexuals on earth right now who will be Saints in heaven.

Do you find it at all concerning that you think you are the arbiter of morality for someone else? I mean real, live thinking human beings who have their own sense of right and wrong? Or how about society, which thoroughly disagrees with you?
I guess you can just stick your head in the sand and say the only people in the world who know anything are the Catholics, and everyone else is ungodly.
I'm sure that the priests who are molesting little boys feel like its
OK since they are part of the only real religion and it seems to just not pay attention.

 

[lamafist]

Well I am not an R.C. so that let's me out of this one. But if we are talking one man sexually and engaging sex upon another, that is not only a trait that many religions, not just Christianity, adhere to as incorrect behavior, but in the natural world order of the majority of species as well.

The Christian Bible tells us marriage and love is a gift HE has given us, and between a man and a women. Sex is a gift for more than procreation in my religion, but man and woman is key.

I have said for the 100th time I am not judging the kid. Just his lifestyle choice as in my opinion, not what the Bible had in mind. That is what my brain says.

Andy you are not changing me nor I you. This has already gone further than it needs to.
DW Toys

I find it deeply ironic that you say the Bible tells us that marriage is a "GIFT," when throughout the Bible, marriage is bought and sold a lot more often than it's given freely. Marriage was transaction of property amongst the European practitioners of Christianity for 1,800. It's only in the last 200 or so that it became a GIFT and not a traded good.

Also, marriage in the Bible is between a man and multiple women.

Medieval Biblical scholars tried to twist various translations to retroactively make it seem that the Bible proscribed polygamy, but history doesn't bare this out, as during the early centuries of Christianity, it was the Roman pagans who believed in one-husband-one-wife marriage, and in fact tried to enforce monogamy on an unwilling Christian population. It wasn't until over six hundred years AD that the Church officially abandoned polygamy.

 

[RI Patriots fan]

Correct, because PEOPLE set up churches.
Wait. Jesus was Jewish.

Are you trying to tell me that Jesus only belongs to Catholics? Really?
The Catholic Church is the true church because it claims to be?

Aren't there significantly more Muslims than Catholics. Wouldn't you think its more likely they are the only ones that are right, if it can only be one?
Wow.
Thank you for giving one post that dismisses all objectivity of anything you have to say.
The Catholic church is right and everyone who disagrees with them is wrong.
No wonder the child rapists have been at it for over 100 years and aren't even slowing down.

Actually in the case of the RCC, ************ is the founder.


And Jesus said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. 18"I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it. 19"I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.


Matthew 16:18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.


If Jesus is God, then clearly God set up the Roman Catholic church. And clearly God gave that church authority to "bind and loosen".

So if the RCC has that authority to bind and loosen as well as the keys to the kingdom of Heaven which has the fullness of truth, why would the church's doctrines be anything less than the truth?

 

[Ring 6]

Actually I am 100% correct. I am well versed in my faith.

And correct, it is immoral to have heterosexual sex outside of marriage.

Again, I am not "unaccepting' of homosexuals....I have clearly said that homosexual acts are immoral. I will also say that heterosexual acts outside of marriage are immoral also. I have also said that it is not a sin to have same sex desires. So someone can, in fact, be a homsexual and be a good Catholic. In fact, I believe that there are homosexual Saints and I also believe that there are homosexuals on earth right now who will be Saints in heaven.

It would appear that you are wrong.

Contraception is wrong because it’s a deliberate violation of the design God built into the human race, often referred to as "natural law." The natural law purpose of sex is procreation. The pleasure that sexual intercourse provides is an additional blessing from God, intended to offer the possibility of new life while strengthening the bond of intimacy, respect, and love between husband and wife. The loving environment this bond creates is the perfect setting for nurturing children.

But sexual pleasure within marriage becomes unnatural, and even harmful to the spouses, when it is used in a way that deliberately excludes the basic purpose of sex, which is procreation. God’s gift of the sex act, along with its pleasure and intimacy, must not be abused by deliberately frustrating its natural end—procreation.

Birth Control | Catholic Answers

 

[Ring 6]

Actually in the case of the RCC, ************ is the founder.


And Jesus said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. 18"I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it. 19"I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.


Matthew 16:18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.


If Jesus is God, then clearly God set up the Roman Catholic church. And clearly God gave that church authority to "bind and loosen".

So if the RCC has that authority to bind and loosen as well as the keys to the kingdom of Heaven which has the fullness of truth, why would the church's doctrines be anything less than the truth?

You do realize that is your version and other religions also have their own, right?

 

[Huckleberry1]

The guarantee of infallibilty does not apply to individual Bishops and their actions. It only applies to the teachings of faith and morals when they are in Council or Universally in agreement.

Basically, God only guarantees us the truth. He does not guarantee us that the Bishops or the laity will live it.

I am pretty sure God was the one who made gays.


Unless it was....................




Just curious RI, when did you decide you were attracted to girls?

 

[RI Patriots fan]

Do you find it at all concerning that you think you are the arbiter of morality for someone else? I mean real, live thinking human beings who have their own sense of right and wrong? Or how about society, which thoroughly disagrees with you?
I guess you can just stick your head in the sand and say the only people in the world who know anything are the Catholics, and everyone else is ungodly.
I'm sure that the priests who are molesting little boys feel like its
OK since they are part of the only real religion and it seems to just not pay attention.

How have I arbitered anything for anyone? I've merely pointed out what the Catholic church teaches and why she has the right to teach what she teaches.

People can live their lives as they see fit but what kind of Catholic would I be if people asked my opinions and I lied to them about what I believe?

As to society....who cares what society thinks? Do you really live your life based upon what society thinks? If you lived in South during the 1830's would you have been accepting of slavery because "society" thought it to be morally acceptable?

I have never said that the only people in the world who know anything are Catholics. I know many Protestants who are much better Saints than I am.

 

[RI Patriots fan]

It would appear that you are wrong.



Birth Control | Catholic Answers

Actually I'm not wrong. I said that the purpose of sex is both. I never said that one can be exclusive of the other. I was quite clear in saying that every sex act must be open to proceation. Artificial birth control interferes with that openness.

 

[RI Patriots fan]

You do realize that is your version and other religions also have their own, right?

Actually it's a historical version....not my version. The only part up for interpretation is whether Jesus is or is not God.

That's why I clearly stated..."If Jesus is God".

 

[ThatllMoveTheChains!!!]

Natural law can be as simple as slamming two plugs together and saying..."see it doesn't fit" because Natural law is self evident. There are cases like infertile people where it becomes a little more complex but again, self evident. From the way you posed your question, Im not sure you were looking for a sincere and honest debate/dialouge. Also, Im not sure if this is the correct forum or thread to have a debate on sexuality and Natural law.
If you're sincere in your desire and you'd wish to continue, might I suggest a thread in the religion forum and I will follow up. In the meantime, here are two links that you might find helpful if you desire to read them.


CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Natural Law

Natural law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Done.
http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...8365-per-request-natural-law.html#post3752841

 

[RI Patriots fan]

I am pretty sure God was the one who made gays.


Unless it was....................




Just curious RI, when did you decide you were attracted to girls?

You're making the assumption that homosexuality is genetic and not psychological in nature.


The genome project wasn't able to find any "gay gene". There is no scientific evidence to conclusively prove that homosexuality is something we are born with.


"Barry H. Thompson, M.D., M.S.:As Medical Director at AMCG, I am responsible for activities such as professional practices, clinical guidelines, and ethical aspects of clinical genetics. In a very general sense, some studies indicate that there may be a considerable genetic component to sexual orientation. However, there is no known gene for "homosexuality." Sexual orientation, no matter the genetic make-up of an individual, likely is a very complex matter."


Chat Q&A: Hi, My friend and I are gay. With all the current controversy about homosexuality, has there been any research linking sexual orientation to genes?

 

[Ring 6]

How have I arbitered anything for anyone? I've merely pointed out what the Catholic church teaches and why she has the right to teach what she teaches.

You have stated that homosexuals are immoral.

People can live their lives as they see fit but what kind of Catholic would I be if people asked my opinions and I lied to them about what I believe?

You inserted yourself into the discussion, so you are the kind that wants to act as if his version of morality should matter to Michael Sam.

As to society....who cares what society thinks? Do you really live your life based upon what society thinks? If you lived in South during the 1830's would you have been accepting of slavery because "society" thought it to be morally acceptable?

That would be like defending murder by saying society has been wrong before so maybe it should be morally acceptable.

Or perhaps a better example. People such as yourself telling teenage gays how immoral they are and how they are committing sins by being who they are leads them to suicide. Even though society would find that unconscionable, you can defend it with the Bible must be right and society is flawed.

I have never said that the only people in the world who know anything are Catholics. I know many Protestants who are much better Saints than I am.

But they are wrong about anything that disagrees with the only correct religion, the Catholic one right.

 

[RI Patriots fan]

You have stated that homosexuals are immoral.


You inserted yourself into the discussion, so you are the kind that wants to act as if his version of morality should matter to Michael Sam.


That would be like defending murder by saying society has been wrong before so maybe it should be morally acceptable.

Or perhaps a better example. People such as yourself telling teenage gays how immoral they are and how they are committing sins by being who they are leads them to suicide. Even though society would find that unconscionable, you can defend it with the Bible must be right and society is flawed.


But they are wrong about anything that disagrees with the only correct religion, the Catholic one right.

Ive never once said that homosexuals are immoral. I said homosexual acts are immoral. Big difference.
I've also said that homosexual acts can be committed by anyone.

I've never said that teenage homosexuals are immoral. I have said that they are loved by God and have been redeemed by God and if they so choose can live eternally with God.

I have said that teenagers commit sin whether it be heterosexual sex acts or homosexual sex acts. Both are immoral regardless of the person's sexual orientation.

 

[Ring 6]

Actually I'm not wrong. I said that the purpose of sex is both. I never said that one can be exclusive of the other. I was quite clear in saying that every sex act must be open to proceation. Artificial birth control interferes with that openness.

It does not say that. It says sex is for procreation, and enjoyment may ensue, but sex for enjoyment without attempting procreation is maybe even harmful.

 

[Ring 6]

Ive never once said that homosexuals are immoral. I said homosexual acts are immoral. Big difference.
I've also said that homosexual acts can be committed by anyone.

Come on. A homosexual isn't immoral only if he is celebate?
You are so brain washed that you substitute word parsing for common sense.

I've never said that teenage homosexuals are immoral. I have said that they are loved by God and have been redeemed by God and if they so choose can live eternally with God.

So a sexually active teenage lesbian is not immoral, and you would not tell them that they are wrong to be gay?

I have said that teenagers commit sin whether it be heterosexual sex acts or homosexual sex acts. Both are immoral regardless of the person's sexual orientation.

The difference is that you think a straight kid just made a mistake and has to say a Hail Mary but the gay kid was born wrong and must change their entire identity.
You do realize that most young gay people identify themselves primarily as gay because due to people with your judgmental attitudes, it is the only place they feel safe? You are telling them that there is something wrong with them as a person. God made them that way. God would not want you to judge them.

 

[Ring 6]

Actually it's a historical version....not my version. The only part up for interpretation is whether Jesus is or is not God.

That's why I clearly stated..."If Jesus is God".

No that is your interpretation and there are many different interpretations.

How can Jesus be God if he is the son of God?