It may not be as crazy as you think. Who you trade for the Browns first round pick #4

[BelichicksHoodie]

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There is not a single trade scenario on this planet that would enable us to acquire the 4th overall pick in this draft. Unless you're talking something ridiculous like this years first, next years first, this years second, Mallett and Chandler Jones.

Mallett is literally at absolute best a third rounder. And that's if the opposing GM had too many to drink the night before.

 

[moosekill]

Re: It may not be as crazy as you think. Who you trade for the Browns first round pic

There is not a single trade scenario on this planet that would enable us to acquire the 4th overall pick in this draft. Unless you're talking something ridiculous like this years first, next years first, this years second, Mallett and Chandler Jones.

Mallett is literally at absolute best a third rounder. And that's if the opposing GM had too many to drink the night before.

You have no idea what Mallett is worth, and neither does Andy. He is worth what another team will pay for him. It always annoys me when people talk out of their asses and pretend they have a clue.

 

[YearbookCurfew]

Re: It may not be as crazy as you think. Who you trade for the Browns first round pic

Can we convince them to take Hermandez?

 

[chasa]

Re: It may not be as crazy as you think. Who you trade for the Browns first round pic

we would be lucky to get #4 of the 2nd round for mallet and ridley.

 

[mayoclinic]

Re: It may not be as crazy as you think. Who you trade for the Browns first round pic

Actually, it's even crazier than I expected. You've raised the bar with this one.

 

[BelichicksHoodie]

Re: It may not be as crazy as you think. Who you trade for the Browns first round pic

You have no idea what Mallett is worth, and neither does Andy. He is worth what another team will pay for him. It always annoys me when people talk out of their asses and pretend they have a clue.

No, I do know what he's worth. He hasn't started in this league yet, he was drafted as a third rounder, back-ups quarterbacks with starters history(average at best) go for multiple second rounders. Matt Schuab, Kevin Kolb, it's a known fact. Ryan Mallet has no starts.

Just because you don't have a clue doesn't mean others don't. Laughable.:blahblah:

 

[SB39]

Re: It may not be as crazy as you think. Who you trade for the Browns first round pic

You have no idea what Mallett is worth, and neither does Andy. He is worth what another team will pay for him. It always annoys me when people talk out of their asses and pretend they have a clue.

Sorry, but you don't have to be a football insider to realize that Mallet isn't worth even so much as a day 2 pick.

He was drafted mid 3rd round, has done nothing to increase his value, and is very close to free agency. The more I thought about it, the more I realized that he wouldn't even fetch a day 2 pick.

 

[DW Toys]

Re: It may not be as crazy as you think. Who you trade for the Browns first round pic

I doubt the #4 pick is even in play but I can tell you the Cameron idea is never going to happen, they would never trade for a QB and then take their second best weapon away.

Honestly even if the #4 pick was in play which as I said is 99% unlikely in my opinion if Clowney is off the board what would we even do with that pick, trade back?

There is Clowney, Watkins or trade down and many scenarios that are fun to consider. Just trying to stimulate the conversation. We have many Junior GMs on this Forum who can attest that they know the real value of Mallet and Ridley and everyone else is a poop head if they disagree? The key word is opinion and it is interesting to see how protective they are of their ideals and how other opinions happen to Rot.

The Browns need an RB. Do they go RB at the top of the second round? Wait? Or opt for a proven 1,000 yard rusher who is still young.

Is Mallet a worse QB option than Bortles, Bridgewater and Manzeil? How did anyone come up with that proven analysis?

They get both on the cheap this year. They can jettison if they do not work or have plenty of CAP to sign them. An envious position over most NFL Teams.

At the end of the day, the Browns get two potential starters that have NFL experience. Even Mallet has more than these other three, albeit not season play.

Would the Jets swap Geno Smith for Mallet even up? I say absolutely. Would the Bills swap for him even up for E.J. Manuel? Yep. So how does Bortles, Bridgewater and Manzeil become Andrew Luck type picks? The "definite" first rounder Geno Smith was pick #39 early in Round two. Is there a single Cousin on this Forum that would trade Geno Smith even up for Mallet?............. Didn't think so. So high second rounder for Mallet is not a crazy value.

Another good question. Would the Colts swap Richardson who they gave away pick #26, for Ridley? I say in an instant Cousins. So I have come to determine that perhaps Ridley is near that as value.

Cameron might be a little outrageous, and I will concede that knowing he broke out in 2013. But Mallet and Ridley plus our #1 is certainly not unreasonable for the #4 pick knowing the Browns needs and getting two young players who might be stars for moving down in a Round. One pick for three.

Remember we lose them in 2015 if not resigned.

I have come up with worse scenarios than that on this Forum. Ah..... but I have also picked some correctly when scoffed and persecuted. Ha...So There!

This is for fun ladies and gentlemen. I think I have backed my theories with some reason.

And as one astute Poster mentioned, The Draft Value is a thing of the past with the new CBA. Yes...exactly. This is why this might not be as crazy for the Pats side of things either.

DW Toys

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[kennyb]

Re: It may not be as crazy as you think. Who you trade for the Browns first round pic

People are allowed to have opinions. But what evidence is there that "it may not be as crazy as you think"? I think it's utterly delusional. When has a backup qb and running back in the last year of their contracts been traded for anything like what the op said? Where is the evidence it's not crazy? So people who think it's crazy are talking out of their ass and people who think it's not have a valid opinion?

 

[moosekill]

Re: It may not be as crazy as you think. Who you trade for the Browns first round pic

Well to start off with one of the people supposedly interested, was his offensive coordinator. Another of the interested, supposedly followed the patriots closely and is close with BB. Both of whom probably actually watched him practice and play in scrimmages, unlike the rest of us. Finally, his arm strength a and accuracy were never called into question, unlike some of this years potentials, instead it was his heart, dedication, and possible partying. None of which have been an issue here.

 

[moosekill]

Re: It may not be as crazy as you think. Who you trade for the Browns first round pic

So people can have their opinions, and they may or may not be right, but those opinions are coming completely from watching him play a couple of quarters in the preseason. So, out if their asses.

 

[DW Toys]

Re: It may not be as crazy as you think. Who you trade for the Browns first round pic

Sorry, but you don't have to be a football insider to realize that Mallet isn't worth even so much as a day 2 pick.

He was drafted mid 3rd round, has done nothing to increase his value, and is very close to free agency. The more I thought about it, the more I realized that he wouldn't even fetch a day 2 pick.

Please recall Cousin, that Mallet was stated to be the best QB in that Draft class by many. He was dropped to round three because of "alleged" off the field issue which cost the young man first round status. No one will refute that.

He has been a good soldier here but is not going to jump TB or get playing time to hone his craft. He is as much of an unknown as Bortles, Bridgewater and Manzeil but has a leg up on them including a Super Bowl venture. Most will say he has a better arm than those three as well. Plus your are not wasting a single pick but getting two players and a pick.

It take two to tango. The Browns and Pats must agree if they ever would. Until then it is just a...... what if?

Again, I remit, Not as crazy as you might think.
DW Toys

 

[DW Toys]

Re: It may not be as crazy as you think. Who you trade for the Browns first round pic

People are allowed to have opinions. But what evidence is there that "it may not be as crazy as you think"? I think it's utterly delusional. When has a backup qb and running back in the last year of their contracts been traded for anything like what the op said? Where is the evidence it's not crazy? So people who think it's crazy are talking out of their ass and people who think it's not have a valid opinion?

Last year of their contracts might be advantageous. If they suck, bounce them. You got enough wampum for the trade. If Bridgewater sucks, do you want to pay him four years if you are the Browns ?(see Weedon)

No Kenny. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. This is why this is called a forum. I think I have come up with substantial evidence. I have taken Like and Kind picks and have attributed to the worth as best I can. No one can say I am right or wrong. Whether you agree or not is up to you. If that a fair statement?

Remember, this is for moving South in the Draft, not a full swap for players. The Browns still retain a number one pick.

DW Toys

 

[ausbacker]

Re: It may not be as crazy as you think. Who you trade for the Browns first round pic

Last year of their contracts might be advantageous. If they suck, bounce them. You got enough wampum for the trade. If Bridgewater sucks, do you want to pay him four years if you are the Browns ?(see Weedon)

No Kenny. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. This is why this is called a forum. I think I have come up with substantial evidence. I have taken Like and Kind picks and have attributed to the worth as best I can. No one can say I am right or wrong. Whether you agree or not is up to you. If that a fair statement?

Remember, this is for moving South in the Draft, not a full swap for players. The Browns still retain a number one pick.

DW Toys

Draft time history, player valuations and on field performance versus draft value make a compelling case in favor of the negative DW Toys. I applaud your want to stimulate conversation but your proposal and subsequent reasoning does not meet with reality.

 

[kennyb]

Re: It may not be as crazy as you think. Who you trade for the Browns first round pic

Last year of their contracts might be advantageous. If they suck, bounce them. You got enough wampum for the trade. If Bridgewater sucks, do you want to pay him four years if you are the Browns ?(see Weedon)

No Kenny. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. This is why this is called a forum. I think I have come up with substantial evidence. I have taken Like and Kind picks and have attributed to the worth as best I can. No one can say I am right or wrong. Whether you agree or not is up to you. If that a fair statement?

Remember, this is for moving South in the Draft, not a full swap for players. The Browns still retain a number one pick.

DW Toys

You can what if but I missed your evidence.

last year of a cheap contract can't be advantageous. More years of a cheap contract is always better as the team always has the option to cut.

your evidence is "it's possible. No one can say". Ok. That's not much evidence though.

 

[SB39]

Re: It may not be as crazy as you think. Who you trade for the Browns first round pic

And as one astute Poster mentioned, The Draft Value is a thing of the past with the new CBA. Yes...exactly. This is why this might not be as crazy for the Pats side of things either.

Speaking as that poster who mentioned that the draft value chart is a thing of the past, you're conveniently omitting the fact that I also said that the top picks (say the top 10-15) are much more valuable today - not less - because those picks no longer cost a fortune to sign.

 

[Ring 6]

Re: It may not be as crazy as you think. Who you trade for the Browns first round pic

Last year of their contracts might be advantageous. If they suck, bounce them. You got enough wampum for the trade. If Bridgewater sucks, do you want to pay him four years if you are the Browns ?(see Weedon)

No Kenny. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. This is why this is called a forum. I think I have come up with substantial evidence. I have taken Like and Kind picks and have attributed to the worth as best I can. No one can say I am right or wrong. Whether you agree or not is up to you. If that a fair statement?

Remember, this is for moving South in the Draft, not a full swap for players. The Browns still retain a number one pick.

DW Toys

You don't trade the #4 pick in the draft based on 'if they suck bounce them'.
If they don't suck, they will leave for a better franchise and more money.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Re: It may not be as crazy as you think. Who you trade for the Browns first round pic

The crazy is again strong with this one, Obi Wan.

 

[SB39]

Re: It may not be as crazy as you think. Who you trade for the Browns first round pic

Please recall Cousin, that Mallet was stated to be the best QB in that Draft class by many.

If you look hard enough you can find a pundit that said anything you want. The people that make the decisions for the various teams of the NFL apparently found him to be a 3rd round caliber pick.

He has been a good soldier here but is not going to jump TB or get playing time to hone his craft. He is as much of an unknown as Bortles, Bridgewater and Manzeil but has a leg up on them including a Super Bowl venture. Most will say he has a better arm than those three as well. Plus your are not wasting a single pick but getting two players and a pick.

According to this logic, I'm just as much of an "unknown" as all those players you mentioned.

But as far as actual, you know, talent is concerned, Mallett is far and away the lesser of all those names you mentioned. If he was thrown back into the draft this May, he'd still be home waiting for a phone call on day 3.

 

[SB39]

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Last year of their contracts might be advantageous.

Being in the final year of a contract makes a player's trade value go down, not up, my friend.