Pats lose another position coach; TE coach George Godsey signs with Texans

[Triumph]

It is possible that BB might have decided to make changes on his coaching staff.
Who knows? I hope he hires a legit Defensive Coordinator.

Assuming he wants to coach this season, I hope BB hires Mike Shanahan as OC.

 

[varjao]

It is possible that BB might have decided to make changes on his coaching staff.
Who knows? I hope he hires a legit Defensive Coordinator.

yeah it's about time to change the defensive scheme, a couple years ago we didn't have quality players, it seems that we have now but I still had the impression during this season that our defense was a pretender.

 

[SVN]

yeah it's about time to change the defensive scheme, a couple years ago we didn't have quality players, it seems that we have now but I still had the impression during this season that our defense was a pretender.

Its BB scheme. No coordinator runs anything which BB doesnt want. I hope people realize this by now.

 

[Kontradiction]

Assuming he wants to coach this season, I hope BB hires Mike Shanahan as OC.

For one, Shanahan has zero experience in the Ehrhardt-Perkins. For another, he prefers a different system. For a third, I don't think there is any way he would be a coordinator again. For a fourth, if McDaniels takes the Cleveland job, this team is going to experience some serious growing pains with the new guys in new positions next season.

 

[Triumph]

For one, Shanahan has zero experience in the Ehrhardt-Perkins. For another, he prefers a different system. For a third, I don't think there is any way he would be a coordinator again. For a fourth, if McDaniels takes the Cleveland job, this team is going to experience some serious growing pains with the new guys in new positions next season.

For one and two, maybe this offense has become predictable? Seems the same defensive game plan has worked to grind the NE offense to a halt for several years now. Shanahan is smart enough to run an offense that utilizes players strengths.

For three, you do not know that. The fastest way to become a HC again is to succeed winning another championship. Having a HOF QB to work with does wonders.

And four, really? McDaniels will be a failure in Cleveland like he was in Denver.

 

[varjao]

Its BB scheme. No coordinator runs anything which BB doesnt want. I hope people realize this by now.

I know that, my statement was considering this fact, BB is a hell of a coach but as human being he is able to fail, no one is perfect and no one knows everything.

Patricia is a marionete, BB needs someone to challenge him and as a GM he needs to give this person firepower.

It's 3 deep post seasons in a row failing miserably, I'm not putting this only on defense, specially because last year and this year the offense didn't put points on the scoreboard but let's face the reality this defense is probably the most inefficient defense stopping 3rd downs when it's crucial. It's time for a change.

 

[Kontradiction]

For one and two, maybe this offense has become predictable?

If you think that the most complicated system in all of football has become too predictable, then I don't know what to tell you other than you couldn't possibly be more wrong.

Seems the same defensive game plan has worked to grind the NE offense to a halt for several years now.

You mean the one that takes advantage of the following three things?

1. Interior pass blocking is weak and the center can be relatively easily overpowered.

2. Zero big red zone threat.

3. No WR1 that is capable of threatening outside the numbers and deep downfield to keep defenses from flooding the field inside the numbers.

That's not on the coaching or the offensive system. That's on injuries and poor planning, neither of which Shanahan would be able to fix should he somehow accept a position that anybody with any football knowledge knows he never will.

Shanahan is smart enough to run an offense that utilizes players strengths.

He's also the guy that kept calling running plays out of the zone read even when it was obvious that his QB was playing on an injured knee. He's the guy that kept playing Griffin even when it was clear that Griffin should have been benched for the season. And, he's also the guy that might have done a significant amount of damage to Griffin's career. As for McDaniels, he was smart enough to utilize his players strengths. This was Brady's worst offense, bar none, since 2006 and they still finished the year as one of the top scoring offenses in the league.

For three, you do not know that. The fastest way to become a HC again is to succeed winning another championship. Having a HOF QB to work with does wonders.

Why would he be a coordinator here or anywhere when it's only a matter of time before a team offers him a HC gig again?

And four, really? McDaniels will be a failure in Cleveland like he was in Denver.

My fourth point had nothing to do with your response here. There is an evident reading comprehension failure. My fourth point detailed how there will be growing pains with new faces in new positions on the coaching staff. In 2008, the same crowd wanted McDaniels gone. In 2009, O'Brien came aboard and the growing pains were as plain as day as he was running the Kevin Faulk draw play 5,000 times a game. As for McDaniels failing in Denver, that's highly arguable. He's responsible for drafting a good amount of the premiere talent on that team that just beat us and sent them to the Super Bowl.

I personally hope he stays here because I realize that the people who pan the coordinators after losses like this generally have no idea what the hell they're talking about (which is why I'm not surprised that I'm having this conversation with you right now) on top of the fact that there's had already been enough turnover in the coaching staff and I would not like to see more.

 

[Triumph]

If you think that the most complicated system in all of football has become too predictable, then I don't know what to tell you other than you couldn't possibly be more wrong.

The outcomes of the last 5 post seasons speak for themselves.

The Jets and Ravens have figured it out. The Giants definitely have. Furthermore, Terrance Knighton was on Sirius radio and stated that he knew how Mankins would block on certain plays.

Face it, even the best scheme gets figured out after so long. It happens to every offense and defense.

You mean the one that takes advantage of the following three things?

1. Interior pass blocking is weak and the center can be relatively easily overpowered.

2. Zero big red zone threat.

3. No WR1 that is capable of threatening outside the numbers and deep downfield to keep defenses from flooding the field inside the numbers.

Bunch of simplistic excuses. At one point or another over the last 5 years the Pats have had all these areas covered and still lost.

That's not on the coaching or the offensive system. That's on injuries and poor planning, neither of which Shanahan would be able to fix should he somehow accept a position that anybody with any football knowledge knows he never will.

Poor planning is coaching. If Denver was going to shut down the NE running game there should have been a counter measure. That is on the scheme. Weis won with an innovative scheme.

Once again, youre talking out of yer arse and do not know what Shanahan will do. McDaniels came here after failing as a HC. Belichick brought in former HC Dom Capers for a job. HC Mike Martz won a SB and took a coordinators job. BB took a coordinators job.

He's also the guy that kept calling running plays out of the zone read even when it was obvious that his QB was playing on an injured knee. He's the guy that kept playing Griffin even when it was clear that Griffin should have been benched for the season. And, he's also the guy that might have done a significant amount of damage to Griffin's career. As for McDaniels, he was smart enough to utilize his players strengths. This was Brady's worst offense, bar none, since 2006 and they still finished the year as one of the top scoring offenses in the league.

First off, we do not know what politics were involved in DC. Snyder isnt exactly a stable owner and there were rumors of conflict with Griffin and Shanahan and that Grifffin went to Snyder.

Your point is moot anyway since Belichick determines who is healthy enough to play and who isnt under the new NFL guidelines. Every injury is fair game now since KC Chiefs Niel Smith is suing the NFL because he needs a hip replacement.

Why would he be a coordinator here or anywhere when it's only a matter of time before a team offers him a HC gig again?

Where are the offers today?

Again and I will type s l o w l y for you. IF Shanahan wants to coach THIS season I hope BB brings him on board.

My fourth point had nothing to do with your response here. There is an evident reading comprehension failure. My fourth point detailed how there will be growing pains with new faces in new positions on the coaching staff. In 2008, the same crowd wanted McDaniels gone. In 2009, O'Brien came aboard and the growing pains were as plain as day as he was running the Kevin Faulk draw play 5,000 times a game. As for McDaniels failing in Denver, that's highly arguable. He's responsible for drafting a good amount of the premiere talent on that team that just beat us and sent them to the Super Bowl.

McDaniels was also responsible for Maroney, Lloyd and now Almendola. So fail if you believe that he is some great talent evaluator.

I personally hope he stays here because I realize that the people who pan the coordinators after losses like this generally have no idea what the hell they're talking about (which is why I'm not surprised that I'm having this conversation with you right now) on top of the fact that there's had already been enough turn over in the coaching staff and I would not like to see more.

I will be waiting for more of your simplistic reasoning.

 

[Wheelman]

Once again, youre talking out of yer arse and do not know what Shanahan will do. McDaniels came here after failing as a HC. Belichick brought in former HC Dom Capers for a job. HC Mike Martz won a SB and took a coordinators job. BB took a coordinators job.

I'm not entering this debate because I have no idea. And I'm not picking on you but I just happened to notice yours. Just one day I'd like to see someone do their research before using false information or twisting it for their argument.

HC Mike Martz never won a SB. OC Mike Martz did. I know this is nitpicking, but this is how false information spreads...

 

[Patsrock]

McDaniels was also responsible for Maroney, Lloyd and now Almendola. So fail if you believe that he is some great talent evaluator.

How many more times is the McDaniels and Maroney story going to be told wrong? It was McDaniels brother(his college coach) who strongly advised for him AND Belichick overriding the scouts on the Maroney and Jackson picks.

Amendola played 1 game with McDaniels. And didn't even have a off season with McDaniels due to the lock out.

 

[DarrylS]

It is possible that BB might have decided to make changes on his coaching staff.
Who knows? I hope he hires a legit Defensive Coordinator.

Have always considered BB the defensive coordinator, and Patricia assumes the head sets during the game....

This is really BB's defensive schemes and personnel... I assume that may be the main reason why Patricia is never mentioned for HC anywhere, even Cleveland.

 

[Peachhead]

I hope they bring in someone senior from the outside who can shake things up a bit, like Jim Schwartz. BB has been open about his respect and admiration for Schwartz, both as a personnel evaluator and as a defensive coach. I could see BB doing the same thing with Greg Schiano, though I'm not sure I like that one as much.

Jim Schwartz?! Wasn't he the HC of the under-performing and extremely undisciplined Lions? That's precisely what we don't want!

I'm not saying Schiano's anything great. I don't know. But I'll take a hard***** over Schwartz any day of the week.

 

[Kontradiction]

The outcomes of the last 5 post seasons speak for themselves.

The Jets and Ravens have figured it out. The Giants definitely have. Furthermore, Terrance Knighton was on Sirius radio and stated that he knew how Mankins would block on certain plays.

Face it, even the best scheme gets figured out after so long. It happens to every offense and defense.



Bunch of simplistic excuses. At one point or another over the last 5 years the Pats have had all these areas covered and still lost.



Poor planning is coaching. If Denver was going to shut down the NE running game there should have been a counter measure. That is on the scheme. Weis won with an innovative scheme.

Once again, youre talking out of yer arse and do not know what Shanahan will do. McDaniels came here after failing as a HC. Belichick brought in former HC Dom Capers for a job. HC Mike Martz won a SB and took a coordinators job. BB took a coordinators job.




First off, we do not know what politics were involved in DC. Snyder isnt exactly a stable owner and there were rumors of conflict with Griffin and Shanahan and that Grifffin went to Snyder.

Your point is moot anyway since Belichick determines who is healthy enough to play and who isnt under the new NFL guidelines. Every injury is fair game now since KC Chiefs Niel Smith is suing the NFL because he needs a hip replacement.



Where are the offers today?

Again and I will type s l o w l y for you. IF Shanahan wants to coach THIS season I hope BB brings him on board.




McDaniels was also responsible for Maroney, Lloyd and now Almendola. So fail if you believe that he is some great talent evaluator.




I will be waiting for more of your simplistic reasoning.

1. The Jets and Ravens didn't "figure it out". They played our weaknesses against us. They knew we either didn't have the receivers to beat them deep so they stacked the coverage between the numbers, were weak up the middle, didn't have big receiving threat in the red zone, or all three. Knighton knew some of Mankins blocking schemes because he watched tape and NFL Network, where they detailed the pulling plays. The Pats, for example, knew how to stop the pick play in the first game against Denver. Does that mean that they "figured the Broncos out"?

2. 2009: Pats had a deep threat to go outside the numbers, but their red zone woes were well documented. 2010: Pats didn't have a deep threat receiver to threaten outside of the numbers and were weak along the interior OL. 2011: Pats were strong in the interior OL and had a red zone threat but no deep threat WR that can work outside the numbers. Still got to the Super Bowl where the Giants beat them because they could rush Brady with four down linemen and stacked the coverage between the numbers. Naturally, Gronk could have help, but he was our #1 red zone threat and was hurt. 2012: Brandon Lloyd was the threat outside the numbers and hit the deck every time he caught a pass. OL was once again weak in the interior and Gronk was lost halfway through the season, meaning the Ravens could take out Hernandez and stop our offense cold in the red zone. So, as I was saying...

3. By "poor planning", I was referring the personnel evaluation, which McDaniels has nothing to do with on this team. That's on Belichick.

4. Innovative schemes can't do much when you don't have to horses to beat them at what they're daring you to beat them with. We essentially had three carbon copies of the same receiver this past Sunday.

5. There are a bunch of non-truths in this post. McDaniels started here, went to Denver, had some solid drafts, got fired after impatient ownership wanted to move in a different direction, went to St. Louis, and came back here. Martz never won a Super Bowl as a head coach and came back as a coordinator. The drafting of Maroney was not on McDaniels. If you can't even get your facts straight, this debate is worthless.

6. Snyder stated he was stepping back and giving more authority to Shanahan. That sinking ship was on Shanahan. The stunt he pulled with Griffin (which may ruin his career) was either due to incompetence or extreme pride. Either way, that's not something you want in an OC.

7. Belichick, not McDaniels, is responsible for the FA signings and trades. McDaniels may have had his input but, even then, Lloyd was a 1000 yard receiver in this offense so that's not exactly a "fail", and Amendola was injured this season, which means it's too early to make a judgement on him one way or another.