Rumor - McDaniels to be the Browns HC

[dales804]

Agreed.

Theres no use consulting a HOF HC about staffing when your 2nd opportunty to succeed as an NFL HC could be your last.

I get it. You think McD is in BB's ear about everything. Is it really so impossible to you that McDaniels did talk to BB about this stuff then decides to make up his own mind? Like Dimitroff in ATL calling BB before trading up for Julio Jones, being told by BB that he wouldn't do it then doing it anyway? Different situations, of course, since Dimitroff hadn't ever been fired from his post before. But it's not so out of this world crazy that a coach under BB's tutelage talks to him and decides to do his own thing.

 

[NormZauchin]

No coach worth anything would be scared away from a team firing a guy who went 4-12 after replacing the last guy who was fired for going 5-11 and 4-12.
If you don't think you can do better than that, you shouldn't be a coach.
Most of the very successful coaches in the NFL took over crappy teams.

How about firing someone who went 5-11 after the previous coach was 8-8?

 

[patsfanincleveland]

So let me get this straight.
Hoyer arrived after McDaniels left. Hoyer was cut in camp the year McDaniels returned.
Ian saying 'McDaniels is familiar with Hoyer" just makes those facts disappear and McDaniels is taking the job because of a journeyman QB who has started 4 games in the NFL and spent a camp with him before he cut him.
You really are a piece of work.

That's a little harsh there, Andrew.

Lombardi has always been a fan of Hoyer. During an interview while an analyst on NFLN he said if offered the SF job (circa 2010/1) his first move was to pursue Hoyer.

Some times all it takes is a Mo Lewis hit to give some unknown a chance.

One thing that is certain is the Browns were monumentally better during the two games Hoyer started. It's also plausible that both Lombardi and McDaniels would arrive at a similar opinion on what they want in a QB and if it can work.

Maybe it's time to ask Cassel and Weiss if that works.

 

[mpw8679]

Mcdaniels is the only reason denver has the pieces, and was in the position for Peyton manning to want to even look at denver as an option.

U didn't pay much attention to Denver when McDaniels was there did u?

 

[Ring 6]

How about firing someone who went 5-11 after the previous coach was 8-8?

Depends on the circumstances. Clearly in the one you are referring to 5-11 was actually a step forward.

 

[patsfanincleveland]

Interesting bunch of comments after that article too.

In a way, their frustrations in the comments section reminds me of the Pre-Parcells era in New England.

Tony Grossi actually makes Ron the Con Borges look reasonable.

Easily the biggest idiot in sports media.

Richardson sucks. Recouping a 1st round pick for him is genius. Lombardi was also spot on with Hoyer.

 

[Ring 6]

That's a little harsh there, Andrew.

Lombardi has always been a fan of Hoyer. During an interview while an analyst on NFLN he said if offered the SF job (circa 2010/1) his first move was to pursue Hoyer.

Some times all it takes is a Mo Lewis hit to give some unknown a chance.

One thing that is certain is the Browns were monumentally better during the two games Hoyer started. It's also plausible that both Lombardi and McDaniels would arrive at a similar opinion on what they want in a QB and if it can work.

Maybe it's time to ask Cassel and Weiss if that works.

The theory was that McDaniels wants the job because Hoyer is there.
McDaniels worked with Hoyer for one camp and cut him.
Hoyer bounced around and started 4 games in his career.
You don't take a job because you think you may have an unknown QB who has a chance to maybe become good. And if he is the kind of guy you would take a job to get you wouldn't have cut him last year.

You seem to be talking in terms of Lloyd Christmas saying 'so there is a chance' while I'm talking in terms of a guy who is so good you cant wait to build a franchise around him. No one thinks that about Brian Hoyer.

 

[patsfanincleveland]

The theory was that McDaniels wants the job because Hoyer is there.
McDaniels worked with Hoyer for one camp and cut him.
Hoyer bounced around and started 4 games in his career.
You don't take a job because you think you may have an unknown QB who has a chance to maybe become good. And if he is the kind of guy you would take a job to get you wouldn't have cut him last year.

You seem to be talking in terms of Lloyd Christmas saying 'so there is a chance' while I'm talking in terms of a guy who is so good you cant wait to build a franchise around him. No one thinks that about Brian Hoyer.

What are you talking about?

Lombardi really likes Hoyer.

Chud got fired because he wasn't on the same page.

Lombardi wants someone on the same page.

Based on common experience, Lombardi and McDaniels most likely share many common views.

Since you were actually there when McDaniels cut Hoyer why not share what actually happened? That way everyone knows Lombardi and McDaniels hold fundamentally different views.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

How much of "Carroll's success" in Seattle is actually due to the GM? They have some fantastic players on their roster and Carroll doesn't buy the groceries.

Does that mean Carroll gets a pass in NJ and NE because the groceries were bought by **** Steinberg and Bobby Grier?

Carroll deserves credit for developing into a top-notch coach. You can say what you want about his time in NE (though looking back at the drafts, Curtis Martin leaving, the injury to Robert Edwards), it really wasn't entirely on him. But just as players change and improve, so can coaches. One only has to look at BB, 36-44 with 1 winning season out of 5 in his first head coaching job. It's also why Josh may be more successful his second time around.

It's called experience. Coaches use it too. They can change, they can improve. Ron Rivera was the most tentative coach in the league the past few seasons, but he's got incredible trust in his players now and goes for it more than any other coach in the play-offs right now.

Fans often forget that coaches and GMs are human beings, that we are capable of learning, of adapting, and improving. To act as if Carroll hasn't changed in over 15 years and several stops is crazy.

 

[Brady6]

I didn’t read every post but I have seen a lot of talk about Brian Hoyer. In my opinion the belief that Brian Hoyer would sway McDaniels or any other candidate for that matter is absurd. Brian Hoyer is a journey man who with turn 29 years old in the first 6 weeks of the 2014 NFL season. I don’t see McDaniels saying “how can I pass on a chance to coach Brian Hoyer”.

Actually I could easily argue McDaniels is not high on Hoyer considering within the span of training camp and preseason Hoyer went from a player we tendered with a second round value to being cut outright.

There are 2 QBs on the trade market and that is Cousins and Mallett, a team will either trade for one of them or draft a QB to be their franchise QB. McDaniels is not going to repeat his journeyman QB mistake that he made with Orton in Denver, he is smarter than that.

 

[Brady6]

One only has to look at BB, 36-44 with 1 winning season out of 5 in his first head coaching job. It's also why Josh may be more successful his second time around.

• 1990 3-13 (year before Belichick)
• 1991 6-10
• 1992 7-9
• 1993 7-9
• 1994 11-5
• 1995 5-11 (started 3-1 prior to rumors/the announcement of the team moving to Baltimore unraveled the org)
• 1996 4-12 (year after Belichick)*

*Ravens

The claim that Belichick was not successful in his time in Cleveland is a misconception in my opinion, Belichick doubled the prior year’s win total in his first season as the coach and improved the team every year until his final which I attribute to one of the worst events in NFL history when Modell move the team to Baltimore.

 

[convertedpatsfan]

• 1990 3-13 (year before Belichick)
• 1991 6-10
• 1992 7-9
• 1993 7-9
• 1994 11-5
• 1995 5-11 (started 3-1 prior to rumors/the announcement of the team moving to Baltimore unraveled the org)
• 1996 4-12 (year after Belichick)*

*Ravens

The claim that Belichick was not successful in his time in Cleveland is a misconception in my opinion, Belichick doubled the prior year’s win total in his first season as the coach and improved the team every year until his final which I attribute to one of the worst events in NFL history when Modell move the team to Baltimore.

It is the Factory of Sadness for a reason. Having said that much, you're right, BB did quite a lot more than he gets credit for during his time in Cleveland. But my point was simply that your first job isn't always the best indicator of what you will become. He definitely learned a lot of things during that first stint in Cleveland, things he would later apply as head coach of the Patriots.

He pushed hard to sign headcase Andre Rison to a record-setting deal, then cutting him one season later. His benching of Bernie Kosar was the correct thing to do, but the way it was handled disrupted the locker room, and I think it shaped how he dealt with the Brady/Bledsoe transition. He also didn't delegate much while with Cleveland, one of the biggest changes according to people who worked with him during the Browns days.

If BB hadn't grown from the Cleveland job, if he hadn't adapted and learned, no way he's as successful as he has become. He continues to learn, adapt, and get better.

 

[Triumph]

What are you talking about?

Lombardi really likes Hoyer.

Chud got fired because he wasn't on the same page.

Lombardi wants someone on the same page.

Based on common experience, Lombardi and McDaniels most likely share many common views.

Since you were actually there when McDaniels cut Hoyer why not share what actually happened?That way everyone knows Lombardi and McDaniels hold fundamentally different views.

Youre wasting your time.

The point was made that Hoyer already knows the scheme that McDaniels teaches. So, it gives McDaniels another teacher to get his system up and running asap. Assuming the Browns use a draft pick on a QB, Hoyer could mentor that player until he was ready. In the meanwhile, Hoyer could step in and win a game or two.

Theres only one person here that has gone berserk with this foolishness that McDaniels wants Hoyer as the franchise QB.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

U didn't pay much attention to Denver when McDaniels was there did u?

It's funny. Would be like crediting Bobby Valentine for the Red Sox championship.

 

[chasa]

It's funny. Would be like crediting Bobby Valentine for the Red Sox championship.

Bobby V didnt draft the people carrying the redsox.

 

[Ring 6]

What are you talking about?



Lombardi really likes Hoyer.



Chud got fired because he wasn't on the same page.



Lombardi wants someone on the same page.



Based on common experience, Lombardi and McDaniels most likely share many common views.



Since you were actually there when McDaniels cut Hoyer why not share what actually happened? That way everyone knows Lombardi and McDaniels hold fundamentally different views.

The comment was mcdaniels wants the job because of hoyer. The comment was hoyer and mcdaniels relationship means hoyer would be like another oc.
Both are silly.

Thats whats great about this board.
Someone says Hoyer is the reason McDaniels wants the job. I point out the facts that he really can't be since they have basically no relationship and you don't take a job because you have a QB you had in camp once who has started 4 games in his career, and I get responses about why I said McDaniels doesn't like Hoyer. Remarkable.

 

[RobertWeathers]

It is the Factory of Sadness for a reason. Having said that much, you're right, BB did quite a lot more than he gets credit for during his time in Cleveland. But my point was simply that your first job isn't always the best indicator of what you will become. He definitely learned a lot of things during that first stint in Cleveland, things he would later apply as head coach of the Patriots.

He pushed hard to sign headcase Andre Rison to a record-setting deal, then cutting him one season later. His benching of Bernie Kosar was the correct thing to do, but the way it was handled disrupted the locker room, and I think it shaped how he dealt with the Brady/Bledsoe transition. He also didn't delegate much while with Cleveland, one of the biggest changes according to people who worked with him during the Browns days.

If BB hadn't grown from the Cleveland job, if he hadn't adapted and learned, no way he's as successful as he has become. He continues to learn, adapt, and get better.

I dont want to turn this into a Brady/Belichick/Bledsoe thing but while there are many differences and sets of circumstances between the two, the major two similar ones were....

-At the time of their displacement as starter, Kosar and Bledsoe were both playing like crap.

-Similar to Brady, Vinny T won his first two starts and played reasonably well his last 4.

If Kosar didn't try to undermine BB, he might not have been cut. Drew could have submarined the season but he stayed classy. Part of me wonders if Drew knew what BB did to Bernie in CLE and because of that outcome, he wanted his legacy to be that of a team guy and not a martyr

 

[Ring 6]

I dont want to turn this into a Brady/Belichick/Bledsoe thing but while there are many differences and sets of circumstances between the two, the major two similar ones were....

-At the time of their displacement as starter, Kosar and Bledsoe were both playing like crap.

-Similar to Brady, Vinny T won his first two starts and played reasonably well his last 4.

If Kosar didn't try to undermine BB, he might not have been cut. Drew could have submarined the season but he stayed classy. Part of me wonders if Drew knew what BB did to Bernie in CLE and because of that outcome, he wanted his legacy to be that of a team guy and not a martyr

In what world did Bledsoe stay classy? He went to Kraft to intercede. He gave interviews saying how he couldn't believe he had to compete for HIS job. He tried to divide the lockerroom to get support.
Just because the Patriots overcame him being a baby doesn't mean he did the right thing or was classy.

 

[RobertWeathers]

In what world did Bledsoe stay classy? He went to Kraft to intercede. He gave interviews saying how he couldn't believe he had to compete for HIS job. He tried to divide the lockerroom to get support.
Just because the Patriots overcame him being a baby doesn't mean he did the right thing or was classy.

I recall the story that when BB told DB that he was sticking with TB, Bledsoe went off on BB and BB fired back and essentially said that, "there is no job entitlements here" and DB storming out of the office. He then went to Kraft to help him lobby for his job back and Kraft says, "We're doing things here differently here now" and pleaded him to be a solid teammate moving forward. We all know he still sulked, *****ed about BB to his old buddies and was angry. However I do recall Brady saying that Bledsoe was professional towards him and BB saying that while he understood Bledsoe was upset he respected that fact that Drew didn't go overboard and cause a ***** storm similar to what Kosar did in CLE and continued to help the team win.

I guess I'm comparing the situation to Terry Glenn on Sports Final. Drew was not THAT bad.

Thats what I remember....

 

[Zeus]

It is the Factory of Sadness for a reason. Having said that much, you're right, BB did quite a lot more than he gets credit for during his time in Cleveland. But my point was simply that your first job isn't always the best indicator of what you will become. He definitely learned a lot of things during that first stint in Cleveland, things he would later apply as head coach of the Patriots.

He pushed hard to sign headcase Andre Rison to a record-setting deal, then cutting him one season later. His benching of Bernie Kosar was the correct thing to do, but the way it was handled disrupted the locker room, and I think it shaped how he dealt with the Brady/Bledsoe transition. He also didn't delegate much while with Cleveland, one of the biggest changes according to people who worked with him during the Browns days.

If BB hadn't grown from the Cleveland job, if he hadn't adapted and learned, no way he's as successful as he has become. He continues to learn, adapt, and get better.

Great post.