We need to NOT move on from this.

[Sivy]

I don’t start a ton of threads, and I usually don’t like to come around here after a loss, because some people are just so negative its hard to read.
But I’m tired, I’m tired today. We own a business, and I work very hard on my feet all day. I don’t get a ton of sleep, and we have a baby on the way. I’m tired of investing my time and my money into a product that is tainted like it is. The calls or non calls are so out of control, and nothing will EVER be done about it. I feel cheated every time I stay up late and a game ends like that. Its not just pats games either, the packers-hawks game from last year, saints-9ers game from Sunday. Broncos games are almost unwatchable with all the flags Manning gets in his favor. The lack of consistency on holding is another issue. Its not right. The refs get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars, and they cant get it right.

I’m tired of it because I know we will all move on, and this wont be talked about by next week. BB, Brady and kraft will never do anything to speak out against it and it will all be brushed under the rug.

Its like Walmart. Horrible company that everyone says needs to get better, yet they all shop there.

 

[oldskool138]

The Pats could file a grievance with the league (they should because that's about as bad as a call you're ever likely to see in the NFL)...but we'd probably never hear about it.

 

[Sivy]

Its another reason why if I was a HC, I'd run up the score ever game I could. Its hard to cheat as a ref if the game is 30 points apart.

 

[Steve102]

I was just going to start a thread about MOVING ON FROM THIS. Look, I am with you that it sucks, but what are you going to do? Your only option is to not watch. Shut the games off, go apple picking with the Mrs.

I am not willing to call it NASCAR just yet. Close, but not yet.

 

[DoubleTrouble]

Refs are human: Human error IS part of sports- part of every single NFL game played this entire year. There isn't one game were several calls weren't missed that could potentially impact a game.

maybe Talib should of gotten a penalty grabbing Smith's facemask in the endzone, maybe your lineman should of gotten one for leg whipping and taking Carolina's best lineman out for half the game, maybe your lineman should of been flagged for a headbutt....

Maybe Panther S should of been fined for a blow to the head of Gronk

Maybe the holds on all the other plays throughout the games should of been called on both sides (there is holding on almost every snap of NFL football)

 

[IllegalContact]

my thinking is along these lines........all things being equal, the league will affect the 'coin flip' situation to their advantage. watching the season play out, a loss means much more to potential ratings for carolina than new england.....the league wants the 2 upcoming saints/panthers games to have as much meaning as possible while brady/manning could be the last prime game the pats play and the ratings are already locked in. this is the only thing that can explain the flag being picked up and nothing at all being called (if it wasn't PI, it was defensive holding, if it wasn't defensive holding, it was illegal contact) and the ref running off without an explanation. if he had tried to explain, then the other points would have been brought up and there was nothing he could say after picking up the flag, so he bolted.

that said, that ability to control the 'coin flip' situation will be to the pats favor against the broncos, because they will want the scenario for the broncos and chiefs to have more meaning, and they're not going to screw a team on consecutive weeks

such is the league we watch.......I'd stil say the end result is legit, but with all the moeny tied up in TV, you have to believe they will do little things to help improve ratings using their 'adjustment bureau'

 

[upstater1]

It was a bad call but it was a matter of incompetence. The refs thought Gronk was in the back of the end zone. They didn't have the benefit of replay.

The Jets call was 10x worse because that was premeditated. The ref was looking to make that call at the most crucial part of the game. The Jets ref should lose his job for that.

The ref last night should be replaced by a better ref, unless they can't find a better ref.

BUT, the Patriots should press this to buy some calls against the Broncos, because the NFL definitely wants the Broncos to win it all.

 

[DoubleTrouble]

The Pats could file a grievance with the league (they should because that's about as bad as a call you're ever likely to see in the NFL)...but we'd probably never hear about it.

there are calls just as bad if not worse every week....

difference, the questionable calls on a last second play get treated different than a comparable one in the first quarter.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

There is NOTHING we can do about it though, unless you want to turn off the TV, stop buying tickets, or stop buying merchandise.

Failing to do any of those things(and I won't give up football), to keep talking about it does become whining at some point, even if it is justified, because it can accomplish nothing.

The only thing to do is clean up our game so that we avoid such situations as often as possible. Make fewer mistakes. Man we made a lot of them last night. 3 first half drives that all were at least worth 3 points, all got squat due to a sack, a stupid penalty, and a fumble.

 

[IllegalContact]

there are calls just as bad if not worse every week....

difference, the questionable calls on a last second play get treated different than a comparable one in the first quarter.

except that the right call was made .... but then reversed .... the ref who threw the flag had the best view.

interference, defensive holding, illegal contact.......take your pick... there was a penalty and there is no question, and the call was made

as I said yesterday, the panthers are frauds and were gifted heavily in this game

 

[wolverinejoe80]

let's all stop cryng. everybody else other us think we are the cry babies. they think we gets all the calls. i go to every forum there is on NFL, and they still believe we are protected by NFL.

i just hope this fuels the fire.

 

[Sivy]

Refs are human: Human error IS part of sports- part of every single NFL game played this entire year. There isn't one game were several calls weren't missed that could potentially impact a game.

maybe Talib should of gotten a penalty grabbing Smith's facemask in the endzone, maybe your lineman should of gotten one for leg whipping and taking Carolina's best lineman out for half the game, maybe your lineman should of been flagged for a headbutt....

Maybe Panther S should of been fined for a blow to the head of Gronk

Maybe the holds on all the other plays throughout the games should of been called on both sides (there is holding on almost every snap of NFL football)

The last call had nothing to do with human error. The ref made the right call then got pushed around by the fans and the other ref. Then the hauled ass out of there.

 

[RobAllan]

I agree with the OP entirely and after a good night's sleep, am still leaning toward no longer watching the NFL. I'm definitely not buying any more NFL merchandise.

 

[BelizePats]

There is NOTHING we can do about it though, unless you want to turn off the TV, stop buying tickets, or stop buying merchandise.

Failing to do any of those things(and I won't give up football), to keep talking about it does become whining at some point, even if it is justified, because it can accomplish nothing.

The only thing to do is clean up our game so that we avoid such situations as often as possible. Make fewer mistakes. Man we made a lot of them last night. 3 first half drives that all were at least worth 3 points, all got squat due to a sack, a stupid penalty, and a fumble.

THIS!!!!!! Well said.

 

[DoubleTrouble]

except that the right call was made .... but then reversed .... the ref who threw the flag had the best view.

interference, defensive holding, illegal contact.......take your pick... there was a penalty and there is no question, and the call was made

as I said yesterday, the panthers are frauds and were gifted heavily in this game

to quote IllegalContact...

"excuses, excuses".

More reasons than that play why NE lost that game. Have a nice day. I just wanted to thank everyone else for allowing me to post. I have done that. Adious.

 

[Sivy]

It was a bad call but it was a matter of incompetence. The refs thought Gronk was in the back of the end zone. They didn't have the benefit of replay.The Jets call was 10x worse because that was premeditated. The ref was looking to make that call at the most crucial part of the game. The Jets ref should lose his job for that.

The ref last night should be replaced by a better ref, unless they can't find a better ref.

BUT, the Patriots should press this to buy some calls against the Broncos, because the NFL definitely wants the Broncos to win it all.

One could argue that...IF HE DIDNT THROW THE FLAG!

 

[RobAllan]

let's all stop cryng. everybody else other us think we are the cry babies. they think we gets all the calls. i go to every forum there is on NFL, and they still believe we are protected by NFL.

i just hope this fuels the fire.

I don't think it's a cry baby thing this time. This was just too weird to ignore. I'd have felt the same (just not as angry) if it had happened to another team. The series of events make it nearly impossible to write-off as incompetent. It had to be intentional and that taints the game. (At least for those of us that believe it's not just stupidity.)

It might be because I'm getting older but when you lived through the NBA's... ahem... issues, and then you watch things like this in game-after-game in the NFL, it is entirely possible to reach a point where you just can't ignore what you see and keep writing it off.

I think some people irreversibly reached that point last night. I know I did.

 

[upstater1]

let's all stop cryng. everybody else other us think we are the cry babies. they think we gets all the calls. i go to every forum there is on NFL, and they still believe we are protected by NFL.

i just hope this fuels the fire.

I'm really confused as to what you're saying.

People say that all the time. They said that after the Jets game. They'll say it if the Patriots are ripped off the next 100 games in a row.

 

[IllegalContact]

to quote IllegalContact...

"excuses, excuses".

More reasons than that play why NE lost that game. Have a nice day. I just wanted to thank everyone else for allowing me to post. I have done that. Adious.

have fun with your fraud team as the saints crush you twice and you lose out to the cardinals getting in the playoffs

 

[upstater1]

One could argue that...IF HE DIDNT THROW THE FLAG!

Refs throw flags that are picked up because of uncatchable ball all the time.

The problem here is similar for me to what happen in the Super Bowl with Brady throwing the ball away while in the end zone for a safety.

You should NEVER call a ball uncatchable when it is thrown within yards of a receiver in the end zone.

Just as you should never call a safety when a ball is thrown 10 yards directly beyond a wide receiver. In those parts of the field, safeties and/or uncatchable calls should absolutely never been made.