Underdogs against Carolina - love it!

[Jase]

we've been bad? I thought we were being relatively tame and respectful. But then I regularly have to deal with saints/falcons fans that can't even spell their players' names.

 

[DoubleTrouble]

Never knew 7-2 earned with 3 of 4 top offensive weapons missing was so "pedestrian".

Under that paradigm what exactly has occurred that would make your fan base determine their team is a "juggernaut"?

Here is your problem:

The Patriots are 7-2 and it was earned with most of the year playing with 3 of the top 4 offensive weapons missing.

The last three quarters of football with DA/RG/SR on the field have produced:

24/24/31 points per half...or prorated 48/48/62 points per game

Yet somehow you think a game over a month ago played without these guys is more applicable...why?

Now Vereen is added back in...

Where your analysis seems to be missing is the fundamental appraisal of the tempo and formation implications in this offense at or approaching full strength. Return of players produces a multiplication by addition effect because the tempo and formations will be much different.

However, if Amendola, Gronk, Vereen, and Ridley don't play.....it appears we are in agreement.

by Patriot standards....

this team is the least scary in a LONG time. That means the healthiest team you can field for the remainder of this year.....IMO isn't as good as the ones you have had for years and years now.

Brady's receiving targets have downgraded regardless this season. Wilfork IMO is a brutal injury....

Neutral field....I'd take NE for what it's worth at this point in time. In close one.

 

[Kontradiction]

you are looking at in from only NE fan eyes.....SF at SF is a more impressive win than NO at your house for any NFL team right now.

No, I'm not. And most people around here will tell you that I don't look at things from a rose-colored glasses perspective. Beating San Fran in San Fran is impressive. I didn't say it wasn't. But beating an undefeated New Orleans team without a lot of our top options is more impressive and I haven't seen a counter argument from you since that can sway me into the other direction.

you are putting the NE spin on it of well but WE didn't have X, Y, and Z. I ain't playing like that b/c this is the NFL. Pretty simple. We have like 4 Gs on IR already and went into SF knowing we had to play a converted DT on our OL. There were points in that game when almost 40% of our defense consisted of rookies playing. That is why you can't look at all your injuries....b/c you are just implying that logic to you. I mean that was trench battle game and we our down to DTs playing OL for us. All teams deal with injuries....NE is unique.

Carolina, for that game, was missing OL but they weren't missing their best players. New England lost Talib and Amendola in game, they were playing without the best TE in the NFL, they had suffered injuries along the OL as well, and were playing without Vereen against an undefeated team with one of the top offenses in the game and a pretty good defense. Anybody in their right mind looking at the tale of the tape would call that a loss but instead the Pats won. Sorry but that's still more impressive than beating a SF team that isn't the same team we saw the last couple of years on the road. I understand that you're feeling your oats here, but try to employ logic and your God-given critical thinking skills.

 

[IllegalContact]

we've been bad? I thought we were being relatively tame and respectful. But then I regularly have to deal with saints/falcons fans that can't even spell their players' names.

LOL.....because you Carolinians are so much more educated than those Georgians or those Louisianians

 

[IllegalContact]

No, I'm not. And most people around here will tell you that I don't look at things from a rose-colored glasses perspective. Beating San Fran in San Fran is impressive. I didn't say it wasn't. But beating an undefeated New Orleans team without a lot of our top options is more impressive and I haven't seen a counter argument from you since that can sway me into the other direction.



Carolina, for that game, was missing OL but they weren't missing their best players. New England lost Talib and Amendola in game, they were playing without the best TE in the NFL, they had suffered injuries along the OL as well, and were playing without Vereen against an undefeated team with one of the top offenses in the game and a pretty good defense. Anybody in their right mind looking at the tale of the tape would call that a loss but instead the Pats won. Sorry but that's still more impressive than beating a SF team that isn't the same team we saw the last couple of years on the road. I understand that you're feeling your oats here, but try to employ logic and your God-given critical thinking skills.

I'm much more comfortable knowing that I will be able to use the fact that

Tommy Kelly
Vince Wilfork
Jerod Mayo
Adrian Wilson
Sebastian Vollmer

are all on IR as an excuse for why the pats only won by 20

 

[Jase]

LOL.....because you Carolinians are so much more educated than those Georgians or those Louisianians

Why, yes, yes we are. I'm going to ignore your sarcasm and take this statement at face value.

 

[IllegalContact]

Why, yes, yes we are. I'm going to ignore your sarcasm and take this statement at face value.

what can I say........you all seem the same to us up here

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

teddy picking the panthers


but it's ok

 

[Jase]

what can I say........you all seem the same to us up here

Let me be clear. I don't claim SC.

Might as well call SC "East Georgia".

 

[DoubleTrouble]

No, I'm not. And most people around here will tell you that I don't look at things from a rose-colored glasses perspective. Beating San Fran in San Fran is impressive. I didn't say it wasn't. But beating an undefeated New Orleans team without a lot of our top options is more impressive and I haven't seen a counter argument from you since that can sway me into the other direction.



Carolina, for that game, was missing OL but they weren't missing their best players. New England lost Talib and Amendola in game, they were playing without the best TE in the NFL, they had suffered injuries along the OL as well, and were playing without Vereen against an undefeated team with one of the top offenses in the game and a pretty good defense. Anybody in their right mind looking at the tale of the tape would call that a loss but instead the Pats won. Sorry but that's still more impressive than beating a SF team that isn't the same team we saw the last couple of years on the road. I understand that you're feeling your oats here, but try to employ logic and your God-given critical thinking skills.

I wouldn't of called it a loss looking at the tale of the tape....b/c the Saints were going on the road. You basically have to discuss them completely separate than the one that plays in NO. That isn't the case for all teams but it is for them. That was the same team that had just went to Tampa Bay prior and get very lucky. I wouldn't call it a loss b/c I watch the Saints all the time (as I do all NFCS teams)

You should of won that game (with injuries).....and you did.

 

[DoubleTrouble]

I'm much more comfortable knowing that I will be able to use the fact that

Tommy Kelly
Vince Wilfork
Jerod Mayo
Adrian Wilson
Sebastian Vollmer

are all on IR as an excuse for why the pats only won by 20

punching up on a old, slow, and weak defense for one week....and all the sudden you think you are King Kong again.

 

[BradyFTW!]

you are looking at in from only NE fan eyes.....SF at SF is a more impressive win than NO at your house for any NFL team right now.

you are putting the NE spin on it of well but WE didn't have X, Y, and Z. I ain't playing like that b/c this is the NFL. Pretty simple. We have like 4 Gs on IR already and went into SF knowing we had to play a converted DT on our OL. There were points in that game when almost 40% of our defense consisted of rookies playing. That is why you can't look at all your injuries....b/c you are just implying that logic to you. I mean that was trench battle game and we our down to DTs playing OL for us. All teams deal with injuries....NE is unique.

The only reason why I don't agree is because Vernon Davis left in the first quarter with a concussion. That offense is straight-up bad without Davis and Crabtree. You basically don't have to worry about the pass. Look at what happened to them when they lost Davis to his hamstring injury earlier this season.

Don't get me wrong, it was still an impressive win, no doubt about that.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

You should of won that game (with injuries).....and you did.

:bricks::bricks:

SF O sucks this year...Saints O? Yeah...

 

[Uncle Rico]

Anyone else feel like Belichick is unusually chatty with the media re: coming opponent than usual this week?

An example:

Benjamin Volin | Profile on Sulia

Something about the way he's been talking gives me (more) confidence heading into this game. I feel like BB knows exactly how the Pats will beat the Panthers. Just a hunch.

 

[IllegalContact]

Let me be clear. I don't claim SC.

Might as well call SC "East Georgia".

why split hairs?

the south is the south?

great BBQ tho

 

[IllegalContact]

if you go through the schedules of panther opponents, opposing offenses generally haven't fared any differently against other opponents in adjacent games in comparison to how they fared with the panthers.

their defense really doesn't do anything special except let teams play to their average.

this tells me that their success is predicated more on their opponent than themselves.

 

[DoubleTrouble]

Anyone else feel like Belichick is unusually chatty with the media re: coming opponent than usual this week?

An example:

Benjamin Volin | Profile on Sulia

Something about the way he's been talking gives me (more) confidence heading into this game. I feel like BB knows exactly how the Pats will beat the Panthers. Just a hunch.

I am pretty sure NE will spread us out and dink and dunk all game...

On D, he will have LB spy...he will turn it into a delayed blitz once a nice pocket has formed. I expect heavy pressure every time they get us into a passing down. I expect them to stack the box and run blitz. Belichick will want Cam to beat him deep and I expect him to give Cam that chance.

I mean it is obvious what has worked against us. Can NE execute it? Or has Carolina figured out how to adjust to it for good?

 

[DoubleTrouble]

their defense really doesn't do anything special except let teams play to their average.

this tells me that their success is predicated more on their opponent than themselves.

lol...do you think if you say that it makes it true?

 

[IllegalContact]

I am pretty sure NE will spread us out and dink and dunk all game...

On D, he will have LB spy...he will turn it into a delayed blitz once a nice pocket has formed. I expect heavy pressure every time they get us into a passing down. I expect them to stack the box and run blitz. Belichick will want Cam to beat him deep and I expect him to give Cam that chance.

I mean it is obvious what has worked against us. Can NE execute it? Or has Carolina figured out how to adjust to it for good?

umm....the pats don't run blitz

 

[IllegalContact]

lol...do you think if you say that it makes it true?

beats the garbage you spew