NEW RULE is lame

[upstater1]

I wonder what Boger thinks of this FGA?

By the way, there are 6 guys on the line to the right of Aiken in that .gif, that's illegal. 15 yard penalty.

 

[SB39]

By the way, there are 6 guys on the line to the right of Aiken in that .gif, that's illegal. 15 yard penalty.

Why do you say that? The rules clearly states "no more than 6 players may be on the line of scrimmage". What part of "no more than 6" do you not understand?

I mean srsly dude think about it. There are 11 players on defense and none can line up directly over the center. 1st grade math tells us that if the defense has all 11 on the LOS (which is not the case in your .gif but I'm pretty sure is legal) then there must therefore be one side with at least 6.

 

[Archeryaddict12]

Guess what, the NFL just changed the rule. What a joke.

 

[upstater1]

Why do you say that? The rules clearly states "no more than 6 players may be on the line of scrimmage". What part of "no more than 6" do you not understand?

I mean srsly dude think about it. There are 11 players on defense and none can line up directly over the center. 1st grade math tells us that if the defense has all 11 on the LOS (which is not the case in your .gif but I'm pretty sure is legal) then there must therefore be one side with at least 6.

I was wrong on that. Thought it said you can't have 6.

BUT, check out the guy on the snapper. Can't have any part of your body in line with the snapper's shoulder pads. How strictly do you believe they should enforce this rule?

 

[Buchanty]

I agree they look silly for trying to change an article after-the-fact, but I just don't see how it speaks to the league's integrity. I give the league credit that, in the past, when officials have messed up, the league has called them out for it..

I think Curran put it best - "Curran, for his part, says the rule was correct but poorly outlined by the NFL. He writes: "Jumping in 90 minutes after a game to scrub evidence just looks . . . bad." (from CHFF) I like thus use of the phrase "poorly outlined' as it emphasizes the point I made in my original post on multiple definitions. The fact that they scrubbed the article is revisionist and trying to make themselves look blameless. Not a behavior I would recommend or support.

I'm actually more concerned if it came out that an official explained in person to Belichick the incorrect way than over anything from an NFL.com article. I'll be very interested to hear if Belichick says something along those lines in the coming day or 2.

You and me too. I suspect that miscommunication of the rule in a number of cases has undermined understanding and application. That it should be invoked on a play that ended the game is frustrating but probably the reason the NFL is in full defend mode.

 

[upstater1]

You and me too. I suspect that miscommunication of the rule in a number of cases has undermined understanding and application. That it should be invoked on a play that ended the game is frustrating but probably the reason the NFL is in full defend mode.

I think it's just as bad that they could have called the penalty on Gostkowski's kick but didn't. Why in OT? Why not also on Gost's kick?

 

[fnordcircle]

You know what I've always said to people who ***** about the Tuck Rule or like last week when there was an uncalled hold on our winning pass play?

That if you let the game get to the point where 1 officiating call 'determines' the outcome you didn't deserve to win in the first place.

I'd be saying the same ******* thing to Jets fans whining about the offensive PI where McCourty did a futbol flop. That if that one questionable call was what you think determined the outcome of the game then your team didn't do enough to win.

We're 5-2 and we are still well-situated and coming up on the easier part of our schedule. We're banged up but we're getting good play from some rookies and gonna get healthy. People need to get over this and start thinking about how satisfying it will be to knock around the off-season AFC East Division Champ Dolphins.

 

[Brady6]

Re: Re: NEW RULE is lame

As the gif above shows, you can call that penalty a lot.

Heck, there are 6 guys to the right of Aiken. That's a 15 yard penalty too. It's illegal as well.

If it were called, the Patriots have a 1st down, 2 timeouts and 20 seconds left.

I don't think that is an example of a play that the rule was intended for, which is the problem, the new rule isn't necessarily lame, calling a penalty on that play was lame.

 

[Brady6]

Re: Re: NEW RULE is lame

A tie game into overtime, in a game decided by a call that's apparently never been made before in NFL history. that's what it was. Also, the play was clearly a stunt-type of slide, regardless of whether he pushed someone through afterwards. Seriously, are you just trolling nowadays or something?

No I'm not trolling at all, I just think we had every opportunity to win the game and that call was not the reason that we lost the game, at best it gave us the ball back. I think we agree it was a bad call the disagreement is that it was the reason we lost the game.

All due respect; DI we should be able to not see eye to eye without me being asked to be if I'm trolling.

 

[pherein]

Then feel free to put me on ignore.

I'm just glad I don't sound like a Saints or Raiders fan like so many in here.

Well one difference is you would have been banned on saintreport by now for not believing the calls cost us the game….. but I have to say… hate the call… but really enjoying the irony of these excuses in threads today hehe

 

[JMC00]

I just want to know what prompted this rule. Were there that many injuries because defensive players were pushing others?

Or was it a "more offense" slanted change.

 

[pherein]

I just want to know what prompted this rule. Were there that many injuries because defensive players were pushing others?

Or was it a "more offense" slanted change.

it aint rugby, theres no pushing, they taught you that in school.

 

[BSR]

That if you let the game get to the point where 1 officiating call 'determines' the outcome you didn't deserve to win in the first place.

So you're saying the Jets didn't deserve to win the game either?

For the most part, I think its fair for fans to ***** about that call. Right or wrong, NFL referees often swallow their whistles at the end of the games. Those little shoves or hits that may draw a roughing call earlier in the game get over looked. Those technical holds that really don't have any impact, or are short lived are also often ignored. For them to make this call for the first time ever in that situation is crap. I can't think of any other word for it. Sure maybe its technically right, but damn it sucks for a game to end on some innocuous rule that has never been called before and the NFL didn't even bother to outline correctly on their website. For something that seemed like a pure afterthought it shouldn't have that big of an impact in the game. It makes the tuck rule good, because at least that one had been called before it cost someone a game.

 

[Deus Irae]

Well one difference is you would have been banned on saintreport by now for not believing the calls cost us the game….. but I have to say… hate the call… but really enjoying the irony of these excuses in threads today hehe

It's a bad rule as applied, this was the first time it's been called, and the call cost the Patriots the game. Those aren't excuses. Those are 1 opinion and 2 observations.

This wasn't a holding call that gets called and not called all the time.

 

[supafly]

Well one difference is you would have been banned on saintreport by now for not believing the calls cost us the game….. but I have to say… hate the call… but really enjoying the irony of these excuses in threads today hehe

Like I said to you the other day--sometimes you get the call, sometimes you are on the other end, but in your case there are a ton of holding calls that don't get called. See my example of losing your shot at immortality in SB 42 on the infamous "helmet catch." Seriously, go look it up right now on youtube and tell me how you'd have felt.....

I hate the call from today myself, especially in that kind of situation. There's no place for a call like that at that point of the game....BUT, you can't make excuses, just like I said when Saints fans were complaining last week (especially on a basic holding call, jeeeez...)

Anyone can see that there were numerous issues that caused us to be put in that kind of situation to begin with, just the same as I felt that our defense did a really good job on Graham and Colston (and even Sproles to a lesser extent) last week; not to mention the ability to overcome so many challenges in regards to losing so many key players.

The Pats played tough last week and deserved to put themselves in a situation where they'd have a shot at the end, and the Jets did the same exact thing today. The best way to avoid bad calls like this is not to put yourself in that kind of situation, and going 1/12 on 3rd down is a prime example of that.

However, it's still a shame to see that become the first and only time in the history of the NFL that has ever been called--especially in OT of a closely fought divisional contest, but I don't think we should complain anymore either. It's time to move on and look ahead to the next 2 games and going into the bye with a 7-2 or 6-3 (at worst) record.

 

[supafly]

This wasn't a holding call that gets called and not called all the time.

Yes, that is an enormous difference between complaining from NO fans last week and what happened today, especially when it occurs in OT of a highly contested divisional game.

The timing was horrible for that kind of bullcrap, but it's time to look ahead and move past it--even as difficult as that may seem for myself.

That said, Jerome Bogar just made my *****list..

 

[pherein]

It's a bad rule as applied, this was the first time it's been called, and the call cost the Patriots the game. Those aren't excuses. Those are 1 opinion and 2 observations.

This wasn't a holding call that gets called and not called all the time.

so, your saying the patriots are better than any other team and should not get the 1st call of any penalty ?
We think the Junior Galette mugging cost us a sack with 10 seconds and the game. So whats the difference ? none really. Bad calls bad days.
The rule is fine.
you lost the game when you went into overtime with the Jets, when Brady threw an interception. You lost the game way before the call.

Remember theres no whinning ok or your just a sore loser hehe

 

[supafly]

you lost the game when you went into overtime with the Jets, when Brady threw an interception. You lost the game way before the call.

Brady threw the INT to start the 3rd quarter when we were up 21-10.

I agree with you that we "lost" the game (or put ourselves in a situation where anything could happen, such as a weird call) throughout the second half though.

 

[Sciz]

:bricks:

 

[Joker]

Guess Goody Hitler and the boyz changed the rule during the game...to wit...a picture worth the proverbial 1000 words...



Jones was in a stance on the line...robbery...shiite happens...but the Jets are still losers and scum cheaters, so all is well...