NEW RULE is lame

[SB39]

Dierdorf? That's a leave-your-brain-at-the-door moment, when you agree with him. It kind of describes many of your posts in this thread too.

You're right. Roger Goodell personally called in to the refs to put the fix in this game. But instead of doing it on something simple, like a borderline offensive pass interference play, they concocted the most ridiculous, improbable, attention grabbing set of circumstances to spring their trap.

I stand corrected. The NFL is one big scam and Goodell personally fixed today's game. Thank you for setting me straight.

 

[SB39]

Again, you think Belichick must be an idiot. I don't. I think he was told what the director of referees is on record as saying this September 2013.

Except that's not true. As another poster pointed out, those words were spoken way back in March. The NFL.com article was written in September, but the video is from March.

I have posted repeated articles describing the rule as it was enforced today from March as well as from August. Yes, the September NFL.com article contains an error, and the NFL should be embarrassed about that because it happened on their official website. But there is no post-facto change to the rulebook.

 

[JMC00]

We must be talking about different plays because the one I'm talking about was accurately described by Deirdorf as a little bit of an acting job.

lol listening to dierdorf on that one.

McCourty could have easily been in the process of jumping up to go for the ball and then Hill pushes off which is why it looked like it did.

lol dierdorf

 

[upstater1]

You're right. Roger Goodell personally called in to the refs to put the fix in this game. But instead of doing it on something simple, like a borderline offensive pass interference play, they concocted the most ridiculous, improbable, attention grabbing set of circumstances to spring their trap.

I stand corrected. The NFL is one big scam and Goodell personally fixed today's game. Thank you for setting me straight.

This is a really bizarre comment in a long string of bizarre comments from you.

Because I described your comment about McCourty play-acting on that OPI as zany (at best) that means I'm a conspiracy theorist.

WOW.

Actually, I think it makes you a troll.

 

[alvinnf]

400 kicks and first time it's called. I dunno, shame on the Pats for letting come to that!

 

[Brady6]

27 to 27 at the end of regulation says otherwise.

Not really, it really just says we were the more talented team which we were and that kept us in the game despite are poor play. The score is just a number, the belief that points indicate playing well is flawed at least in my opinion.

 

[upstater1]

Not really, it really just says we were the more talented team which we were and that kept us in the game despite are poor play. The score is just a number, the belief that points indicate playing well is flawed at least in my opinion.

Points is more indicative of play than yards are.

We discovered that during the Super Bowl years.

That doesn't mean that I believe the Patriots played better.

 

[Buchanty]

Except that's not true. As another poster pointed out, those words were spoken way back in March. The NFL.com article was written in September, but the video is from March.

I have posted repeated articles describing the rule as it was enforced today from March as well as from August. Yes, the September NFL.com article contains an error, and the NFL should be embarrassed about that because it happened on their official website. But there is no post-facto change to the rulebook.

I can accept that there was no change to the rulebook. However from my experience in IT when you have multiple definitions you generally end up with dirty data or, as in this case, confusion. The fact that the NFL.com article was in error and was only changed post-facto can only be seen as an attempt by the NFL to covertly exculpate themselves from harboring conflicting definitions.

It would have been so much easier for them to have been honest from the start by simply stating the error in the article and apologize for the confusion. Shame on the NFL for the path they took, as it raises questions on their integrity, both now and in the future.

As far as the game today goes however, the rule stands, it can't be overturned and lets move on. All I ask is that the penalty is reviewed since it now joins PI as one of the top 3 most damaging calls.

 

[RIpats88]

The thing that bothers me about the penalty the most is that it's overtime and you don't want a ref to affect the game, let the guys play...theres no guarantee the pats win.

but that call DECIDED the game...400field goals and you decide to call it in OT on a game winner after the opposing team missed the field goal

 

[SB39]

This is a really bizarre comment in a long string of bizarre comments from you.

Because I described your comment about McCourty play-acting on that OPI as zany (at best) that means I'm a conspiracy theorist.

WOW.

Actually, I think it makes you a troll.

Then feel free to put me on ignore.

I'm just glad I don't sound like a Saints or Raiders fan like so many in here.

 

[Brady6]

Points is more indicative of play than yards are.

We discovered that during the Super Bowl years.

That doesn't mean that I believe the Patriots played better.

At the end of the day human error is part of the NFL, MLB, NBA and pretty much every other pro sport, if your team is not built to overcome it then you’re likely to fail more than your succeed, today that human error affect us negatively, in the past it has had a positive outcome for us, last week we had a number of plays that I said to myself that was a bad call but I will take it. We have to take the good with the bad!

As far as this play goes saying it cost us the game is absolutely false, it cost us the opportunity to get the ball back and I for one would not be confident enough to say we would have scored, we had the football first in overtime we did nothing with it so in my opinion we should have never been in the position to let a bad call cost us the game to begin with. I for one am not going to sit here and act like we were screwed over, that’s ridiculous percentage wise we started overtime with a huge advantage and thinking we deserved a second chance is just expecting too much, we lost the game because of our failures not because of that call so whether it is a dumb call or not is a moot point.

 

[Deus Irae]

Well unfortunately the refs did not see it as a line stunt, I was watching it on TV and not on the field, also I do not have the training of an NFL ref so as much as I would like to clearly say it was a bad call it would not be logical for me to make that assertion. For the record the post I was replying to was that the new rule was lame, it was not whether or not the Patriots violated the rule or not, my response was that many rules in life are lame, but that doesn’t change the repercussions of breaking them.

As far as us being outplayed we were, that was clear in the fact the Jets had the ball for almost 23 more minutes, gained nearly a hundred more yards, completed 52% of their 3rd downs to our 8% and they won the game; if that is not being outplayed what is it?

A tie game into overtime, in a game decided by a call that's apparently never been made before in NFL history. that's what it was. Also, the play was clearly a stunt-type of slide, regardless of whether he pushed someone through afterwards. Seriously, are you just trolling nowadays or something?

 

[SB39]

I can accept that there was no change to the rulebook. However from my experience in IT when you have multiple definitions you generally end up with dirty data or, as in this case, confusion. The fact that the NFL.com article was in error and was only changed post-facto can only be seen as an attempt by the NFL to covertly exculpate themselves from harboring conflicting definitions.

It would have been so much easier for them to have been honest from the start by simply stating the error in the article and apologize for the confusion. Shame on the NFL for the path they took, as it raises questions on their integrity, both now and in the future.

I agree they look silly for trying to change an article after-the-fact, but I just don't see how it speaks to the league's integrity. I give the league credit that, in the past, when officials have messed up, the league has called them out for it.

I'm actually more concerned if it came out that an official explained in person to Belichick the incorrect way than over anything from an NFL.com article. I'll be very interested to hear if Belichick says something along those lines in the coming day or 2.

 

[upstater1]

At the end of the day human error is part of the NFL, MLB, NBA and pretty much every other pro sport, if your team is not built to overcome it then you’re likely to fail more than your succeed, today that human error affect us negatively, in the past it has had a positive outcome for us, last week we had a number of plays that I said to myself that was a bad call but I will take it. We have to take the good with the bad!

As far as this play goes saying it cost us the game is absolutely false, it cost us the opportunity to get the ball back and I for one would not be confident enough to say we would have scored, we had the football first in overtime we did nothing with it so in my opinion we should have never been in the position to let a bad call cost us the game to begin with. I for one am not going to sit here and act like we were screwed over, that’s ridiculous percentage wise we started overtime with a huge advantage and thinking we deserved a second chance is just expecting too much, we lost the game because of our failures not because of that call so whether it is a dumb call or not is a moot point.

sometimes I think you guys are arguing for the sake of arguing. The thread is about the rule. No one here said the Patriots played great. I'm not even sure what in my post you're responding to. Personally, I've never cared about winning pretty. The score is 27-27. That's good enough for me. I don't care about the rest. It was at that point that a flag was thrown.

 

[ausbacker]

I wonder what Boger thinks of this FGA?

 

[Brady6]

The thing that bothers me about the penalty the most is that it's overtime and you don't want a ref to affect the game, let the guys play...theres no guarantee the pats win.

but that call DECIDED the game...400field goals and you decide to call it in OT on a game winner after the opposing team missed the field goal

I didn’t decide the game, us not scoring on the opening drive of OT decided the game, in addition to that if the Jets kicker hadn’t missed a kick that a number of the kickers in the NFL would have made we wouldn’t even be having this conversation, and even after the penalty call we had 4 opportunities to make a play on the ball or block the field goal. You can call the call a bad call but at least be conscious of the fact that the bad call only prevented this team from having a second chance to do what it could have and should have done the drive before.

 

[IcyPatriot]

 

[Brady6]

sometimes I think you guys are arguing for the sake of arguing. The thread is about the rule. No one here said the Patriots played great. I'm not even sure what in my post you're responding to. Personally, I've never cared about winning pretty. The score is 27-27. That's good enough for me. I don't care about the rest. It was at that point that a flag was thrown.

The problem is this the OP made a statement about the rule being lame in terms of this play, but the rule itself when called properly isn’t necessarily lame, players standing behind each other like bulldozers and pushing at 1 player likely makes much sense, what was lame was how the rule used in this situation because Chris Jones was actually attempting to run a stunt and Svitek got held up which resulted in the appearance of that.

 

[upstater1]

The problem is this the OP made a statement about the rule being lame in terms of this play, but the rule itself when called properly isn’t necessarily lame, players standing behind each other like bulldozers and pushing at 1 player likely makes much sense, what was lame was how the rule used in this situation because Chris Jones was actually attempting to run a stunt and Svitek got held up which resulted in the appearance of that.

As the gif above shows, you can call that penalty a lot.

Heck, there are 6 guys to the right of Aiken. That's a 15 yard penalty too. It's illegal as well.

If it were called, the Patriots have a 1st down, 2 timeouts and 20 seconds left.

 

[ThatllMoveTheChains!!!]

As I'm sure has been said... If this is is how the rule was meant to be enforced there have been roughly 600 of these calls missed this season. I find it a bit shocking that they opted to start enforcing this at such a critical point in a game mid season.