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Agreed - Bernard is going to be a huge problem for the post-Wilfork defense, I think. Think young Ray Rice.

I'm not sold on Eifert yet--I think he'll get there, but for now he flashes some great plays and disappears for long stretches. Gresham is underrated, though, and I expect that they'll both give us problems. Also not sold on Sanu yet, although he's a credible receiver. He may be able to do some damage against the single coverage that he's sure to get, we'll see.

Most of all, though, I'm just really worried about the interior pass rush destroying Wendell and getting to Brady. I expect Thompkins to be a non-factor thanks to Leon Hall, so hopefully we'll have one or both of Gronk/Amendola back.

Worrisome, because I don't think either of them is back this week. We're going to need a lot of Mulligans.
 
Maybe, but if the rumors are true (don't know if they are) then a rift has been developing between player and team about his return date, and familiarity may breed contempt. We'll have to see. You don't think he's playing this week, do you?

I don't know, but I wouldn't read much into the rift. Once he's back, he's back.
 
Maybe, but if the rumors are true (don't know if they are) then a rift has been developing between player and team about his return date, and familiarity may breed contempt. We'll have to see. You don't think he's playing this week, do you?

What does that even mean? What point are you trying to make? That Gronk isn't going to play well because there's a rumor that he may or may not have had a disagreement with the team on when he should play?

As far as knowing whether or not that's true, why not go right to the source and just check out what Gronk had to say about the issue. He said that nobody was pressuring him to play and that it's a made up story. What else do you need in order to conclude that it's the usual media nonsense?
 
I´m not impressed by the Bengals, neither on the offence nor defence.

Offence:
Dalton struggles and running game is a work in progress. Lawfirm is not the same as he was for us. Bernard is a rookie an try to learn. Oline is a concern. Not realy good in running game and pass protection.

Defence:
Nothing special.
Front 7 are overrated. Packers, with their crappy Oline and running game, had a 100yd rusher and give up 4 sacks.

Atkins is the only player, who worries me. Especially with the play of Wendell this year.
Did anyone else notice, that Wendell was moving forward, multiple times, prior the snap in the last game?
 
What brings you to that conclusion?

That both of them have significant injuries that are hard to heal from in short time and they have been limited in practice and continue to be limited. It's just my opinion. No need to get worked up about it.
 
What does that even mean? What point are you trying to make? That Gronk isn't going to play well because there's a rumor that he may or may not have had a disagreement with the team on when he should play?

As far as knowing whether or not that's true, why not go right to the source and just check out what Gronk had to say about the issue. He said that nobody was pressuring him to play and that it's a made up story. What else do you need in order to conclude that it's the usual media nonsense?

Well, Owlek and I were having a conversation about whether it was worth it to have Gronk on the roster, as opposed to PUP, for the first 6 weeks, since in my opinion (and that's all it is - don't ask me for sources because I have none) he won't be back until about Week 8. Owlek thinks the practice time is worth it no matter when Gronk comes back (because he can better hit the ground running), and I questioned whether that is true, given that it doesn't really help the team to have a player who can't play practicing, and on top of that, maybe there is a bit of a rift between said player and the team about whether he's ready to be back. No need to be churlish. Just 2 fans having a conversation.
 
I would be surprised if the bengals dont run right at our defense to see how we respond without wilfork something ATL didnt do enough of.
 
LOL, have you not followed BB forever? Have you seen AJ Green in action? He is their whole offense. Subterfuge, my friend, subterfuge.

Cincy averages 7.5 receptions/game at TE.
 
Cincy averages 7.5 receptions/game at TE.

That sounds about average against our D, unfortunately. I still think Green is their "go to" big play maker and we'd be foolish not to give him the Julio Jones treatment from Talib.
 
... No need to be churlish. Just 2 fans having a conversation.

What??

I don't think he was rude as you imply.

Your earlier response "Worrisome, because I don't think either of them is back this week. We're going to need a lot of Mulligans" also took me aback and I was immediately trying to figure out if there is some other news that's not on our board.

Pretty sure he also was anxious to know more.
 
What??

I don't think he was rude as you imply.

Your earlier response "Worrisome, because I don't think either of them is back this week. We're going to need a lot of Mulligans" also took me aback and I was immediately trying to figure out if there is some other news that's not on our board.

Pretty sure he also was anxious to know more.

Look, I'm not trying to get into a pissing contest with anyone, but my "churlish" comment was directed at his other response, where he asked, "What do you even mean by that?" and said I was implying that Gronk wouldn't play well because of a feud with the team or some such words in my mouth, that I never said.

On the other post, I distictly said, "I don't think either will be back," hence (I thought) stating that that is my opinion, not that I have heard anything from anywhere, which obviously I haven't. I fully expect that we won't know whether Gronk or Amendola is playing at least until the plane leaves Logan Airport, when the media will report whether they made the trip or not, and if one or both does, we will then have to wait until pregame warmups to see if they've suited up. It's always a guessing game until the last minute, no?
 
The Bengals DLine could be trouble for the Pats passing game, and their CBs will play tight on KT and Edelboy. Brady won't have the luxury of going to his 3rd or 4th read all day, so I don't expect as strong a game from him. That being said, I think that Pats stand a good chance of running the ball successfully, not in dominating fashion like Atlanta, but enough to move the ball and win the field posession battle. If Gronk comes back (and despite all the noise lately, this is still about when we expected him), he gives us a much stronger run game and creates huge matchup problems in coverage, which will give Brady a reliable early read that will help us sustain drives. We won't run clear over the Bengals, as they are pretty stout up the middle, but I think we can get some pretty good runs on the stretch play and OT. We can probably expect Brady to be picking himself up off the ground with some regularity when we pass, but with the agressive Cincinatti DLine, it might be a week for the screen game. With some effective play calling and good decision-making under pressure, the Pats could do well here. With Cincinatti's middle-of-the-road offense, the Pats could also get back to the hurry-up, if there turns out to be a matchup advantage there. It definitely wouldn't hurt to tire out the DLine, if we can sustain drives at that pace.

I don't think the comparson of Green to Julio Jones is that apt. Jones speed and YAC ability means that he required much more attention from the safeties, because no one person could cover him. This week, I expect we'll be in more of a match-up situation, where Talib follows Green everywhere, like he did with VJax, rather than relying on double coverage. It's not that Green doesn't get YAC, but that Talib will challenge him for the ball and be in position to make the tackle consistently. Talib's physicality and ability to stay close should contain Green enough to leave McCourty in center field, where he can help on whatever deep routes/plays develop, whether that's Green, Gresham, or somebody else. That allows us to to stop the big play, which is probably all that is needed against an inconsistent team like the Bengals, provided we don't make any mistakes.

The two TE offense will pose questions for the rest of our defensive game plan, however. We'll probably see Mayo-Spikes-Hightower, to stiffen-up the run defense, particularly with Vince gone, which means we could be vulnerable in coverage. With Green out there, I don't think we can afford to go straight zone, which means Gregory, Mayo, or Hightower have to match-up with Gresham. He'll probably have a lot of catches and get more 1st downs than we'd like, as Cincinatti's M.O. is to run well enough to set-up a lot of 3rd and 5s, where receivers like Gresham, Eifert, and Benard can run shorter routes that make a big difference. If we can stuff the run enough and not get beat by play action, the 3rd down defensive battles are likely to go the Pats way more often than not.
 
It's not that Green doesn't get YAC, but that Talib will challenge him for the ball and be in position to make the tackle consistently.

Ya but AJ Green has 41 YAC this season. That's the lowest out of the top 20 in receiving yards. And I believe all of those yards or at least a majority of them came in the game against Chicago Week 1.
 
That both of them have significant injuries that are hard to heal from in short time and they have been limited in practice and continue to be limited. It's just my opinion. No need to get worked up about it.

If you consider that to be "getting worked up", then you have an extraordinarily thin skin.
 
Well, Owlek and I were having a conversation about whether it was worth it to have Gronk on the roster, as opposed to PUP, for the first 6 weeks, since in my opinion (and that's all it is - don't ask me for sources because I have none) he won't be back until about Week 8. Owlek thinks the practice time is worth it no matter when Gronk comes back (because he can better hit the ground running), and I questioned whether that is true, given that it doesn't really help the team to have a player who can't play practicing, and on top of that, maybe there is a bit of a rift between said player and the team about whether he's ready to be back. No need to be churlish. Just 2 fans having a conversation.

Oh, so it's just completely uninformed speculation that's based on no actual insight of any kind. Cool. You might as well have put a bunch of numbers in a hat and pulled out "week 8".

If you want churlish, I can get actually churlish. Everything that you've engaged in in this thread has been pessimistic speculation on topic that have already been disproven. When notified that your viewpoint has been proven wrong, you resort to "yeah, I know, but it's just my opinion. What if I'm right?"

In short, you're basically playing the role of the Michael Florio of this discussion. You're contributing nothing and beating the negativity drum for its own sake, and when someone has the nerve to point out that you're arguing points that are provably wrong, you fall back on "it's my opinion" as if your opinion matters, while simultaneously trying to reprimand them for not being nice enough in pointing out that you're wrong.

I don't want to 'start anything' - it's clear that you're an enthusiastic and longtime Pats fan, and most of the time I enjoy your posts. But negative speculation for negative speculation's sake deserves to be called out, and if you throw an assertion out there without any explanation, you really should expect to be challenged on it. It's nothing personal.
 
Ya but AJ Green has 41 YAC this season. That's the lowest out of the top 20 in receiving yards. And I believe all of those yards or at least a majority of them came in the game against Chicago Week 1.

The year to date is a pretty small sample size. He may be at 2.0 YAC this year, but he was at 4.5 YAC in prior years and still averages over 4. Compare that to Jones, however, who averages 7.0 YAC over his career, and you can see why the strategy last week was to roll over safety help, rather than send him to Talib island with help only on deep routes, because getting beat once by Jones underneath is much more likely to have big consequences.
 
If that happens, it wont be close. The Bengals will have to run the ball down the Patriots throats to win the games inside the game, like time of possession and field position. They aren't going to be putting up a lot of scores on this defense.

I'd expect the Bengals test the Pats DLINE by running the ball up the middle, to see if Vellano, Jones, Kelly, etc. can stop Green-Ellis and Bernard, and work play action off of that especially if Spikes plays a lot.
 
I'd expect the Bengals test the Pats DLINE by running the ball up the middle, to see if Vellano, Jones, Kelly, etc. can stop Green-Ellis and Bernard, and work play action off of that especially if Spikes plays a lot.

Yeah, it is the play action susceptibility that worries me more than the actual yardage Cincy would gain in the middle. I'm just starting to get comfortable with the concept of not seeing TEs running free 15 yards down the field.
 
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