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King Ron Rags On "paying customers" at Bucs game

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I am in the camp that booing is a fan's right.

Me too! It's also my right to think people who boo their own team are pricks.
 
I'm wondering if Borges is upset because he couldn't get his favorite red to go with his chef-made fajitas and had to settle for a bottle of Dos Equis and some taco bell.

Hell hath no fury like the self-important not getting what they feel they are entitled to.
 
Borges: Extra prep time pays dividends as Patriots start to look familiar | Boston Herald

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While Borges is accurate about the booing early and cheering late, as an objective observation, I don't get the comment "Of course, paying customers are seldom realistic."

As if the act of buying a ticket makes someone unrealistic, Borges comes off as an arrogant lout because he is always realistic and is so omniscient he never has to pay for a thing. Of course.

What, precisely, is the point of backhanding the 60,000 people who pay the freight?

In Borges' mind, it must be that the great unwashed, who somehow have the wherewithal to pony up between $125 to $300 per ticket, are unable to discern what is transpiring on the field. The reporters and suits in the boxes who sit silently know best, and in time will enlighten those who dig deep to attend a game. Of course.

Borges is a poor reporter. Somewhere along the way he came to believe that just reporting the facts is never enough. If he just said that attendees were restless early and delighted late, and let us draw our own conclusions about the atmosphere, that would have been plenty.

Instead he has to demean the fans which, in a subtle and insidious way, renders their (our) opinion inaccurate about the game, him and his reports. The great ones take pains to describe in detail the facts and trust their readers to draw their own conclusions.

Borges chooses to insult us and preach from his self-appointed position of flawless insight. Of course!

He craps on Pats fans because we helped get him busted for plagiarism.
 
You guys are too sensitive about Borges. Some fans certainly booed after the third ineffectual series of the game, it was audible from my position on my LR couch. I can understand why some fans booed (team was getting owned hard and looked clueless and inept). I dislike booing in general but that's not the issue, whether fans should have booed at that time is, and there are takes on both sides of that issue. Now, Borges wrote (my underlines):

"You are either moving forward or slipping back in the NFL. Yesterday, the Patriots’ much maligned offense moved forward. It faced a less than stellar opponent for the third straight week, but this time it faced an arguably stellar defense. In response, the offense played the best it had all season. It was far from perfect and far from what people have grown used to, but it was closer to where Brady hoped it would be than before. Three weeks into a new season, it was realistically all you can ask...Of course, paying customers are seldom realistic. They are either blindly enthusiastic or stubbornly pessimistic. Yesterday they were both, booing early as if the offense could do nothing right and cheering late as if it couldn’t do anything wrong. The truth was in the middle."

IMO he's just saying fans who boo a group of rookies on a unit which has been decimated substantially this season, yet is gelling and moving forward, are overreacting, and I agree. And he's also saying that fans who applaud their improved execution are overreacting as well, for the same reasons; I don't agree here but can see why he argues that. Not everyone does. And I know most of you guys get all the above too. I'm just sayin...
 
Whatever.

Two things Borges will never be:

1. A paying customer

2. Credible
 
Every time you mention Ron Borges, a cute little girls puppy dies.....
 
I was there. I thought the booing was more at the playcalling than the team. But it was mild and it was more a groan of frustration than booing.

But the meme about us being spoiled, quiet fans will never go away. The Stadium is built in a way that doesn't keep in the noise and the Putnam Section does what it does.

And Ron is a Hater and Haters gonna Hate.
 
IMO he's just saying fans who boo a group of rookies on a unit which has been decimated substantially this season, yet is gelling and moving forward, are overreacting, and I agree. And he's also saying that fans who applaud their improved execution are overreacting as well, for the same reasons; I don't agree here but can see why he argues that. Not everyone does. And I know most of you guys get all the above too. I'm just sayin...

I think I/we agree with the premise that fans can over react. That's what you do at games. In bars. In your living room. You pay to do that. Gillette is not Tanglewood. It's his assertion that "Of course, paying customers" are either "blindly enthusiastic" or "stubbornly pessimistic."

Paying customers run the gamut, and lot of them/us have a pretty sophisticated view of what we're seeing on the field. For a beat writer to dismiss the people who pay for tickets out of hand is obnoxious.

Who died and made Ron Borges Marie Antoinette, anyway?
 
Me too! It's also my right to think people who boo their own team are pricks.

This conversation always makes me break out a timeless Carlin routine.

Personally, when it comes to rights, I think one of two things is true: I think either we have unlimited rights, or we have no rights at all. Personally, I lean toward unlimited rights - I feel, for instance, I have the right to do anything I please. But, if I do something you don't like, I think you have the right to kill me. So where you gonna find a fairer f****** deal than that? So the next time some f***** says to you, "I have a right to my opinion," you say, "Oh yeah? Well, I have a right to my opinion, and my opinion is that you have no right to your opinion." Then shoot the f*** and walk away!
 
Much as I hate Borges he wasn't ragging on the Patriots he was ragging on the fans who attend the games and i hate to say it but he is actually right this time. The Patriots may well have the lamest crowds in the NFL. There is more noise at a high school field hockey game than those crowds produce, it's embarrassing, and the booing in the first quarter made them look like morons.
 
Much as I hate Borges he wasn't ragging on the Patriots he was ragging on the fans who attend the games and i hate to say it but he is actually right this time. The Patriots may well have the lamest crowds in the NFL. There is more noise at a high school field hockey game than those crowds produce, it's embarrassing, and the booing in the first quarter made them look like morons.

The booing was actually the loudest that the crowd was all game on TV. I suspect if the boos come in clearly, the cheers should too. But, uh, yeah, uh, there's an open end in the stadium and all that junk. It's "not conducive for crowd noise". Nevermind that Qwest Field has something very similar and just set a world record for decibel levels.
 
The booing was actually the loudest that the crowd was all game on TV. I suspect if the boos come in clearly, the cheers should too. But, uh, yeah, uh, there's an open end in the stadium and all that junk. It's "not conducive for crowd noise". Nevermind that Qwest Field has something very similar and just set a world record for decibel levels.



Agree completely. I think the fans are using the design of the stadium as an excuse, I have been to plenty of games and it always seems like more like a ****tail party than a football game to me. Like anything else it is never going to change as long as the excuses rule the day, somehow the diehard fans are going to have to take charge of each section and get the fan noise to increase exponentially and at the right times, at this point they aren't loud and they aren't intelligent about when to make noise and when to be quiet, and for a fan base that should be knowledgeable and loud that as i said is an embarrassment.
 
Just checking, can i say ****tail but not ****tail party?


Apparently that is the case. That's really odd.
 
Ron Borges and another ad nauseum rehash of booing and cheering (or lack thereof). Just what I need!!
(NOT)

I've noticed over the last 20 years that booing* occurs almost exclusively early in the season. I theorize two reasons for this: the team is still gelling and prone to miscues, and you get literally more of a fair-weather crowd. By the time it gets cold, the stadium is full of diehards and the team is more in sync.

Regardless, the booing last Sunday was a very light smattering when the offense stalled early.

* Booing is adult voice given to inner-child tantrum.
 
I've noticed over the last 20 years that booing* occurs almost exclusively early in the season. I theorize two reasons for this: the team is still gelling and prone to miscues, and you get literally more of a fair-weather crowd. By the time it gets cold, the stadium is full of diehards and the team is more in sync.

Regardless, the booing last Sunday was a very light smattering when the offense stalled early.

* Booing is adult voice given to inner-child tantrum.

Agreed - and while I did not boo out loud myself (I have on occasion, much to your chagrin ), I thought the booing was for the play calling, which is what it was for in my head. The booing was half-hearted, as was the play calling at the time. Lots of arm chair QBs want it both ways. Lusty cheering and absolutely no booing. Ain't gonna happen folks.
 
Just checking, can i say ****tail but not ****tail party?


Apparently that is the case. That's really odd.

If you couldn't say the first, then Richard Nixon couldn't come on here and comment
 
Just checking, can i say ****tail but not ****tail party?


Apparently that is the case. That's really odd.

The vBulletin software filter can indeed be odd sometimes.

It will actually filter out the last name of the film director of the movies Psycho and The Birds too.

On the other hand you can get around it by using ò, ó, õ or 0 instead of the letter o.
 
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The vBulletin software filter can indeed be odd sometimes.

It will actually filter out the last name of the film director of the movies Psycho and The Birds too.

On the other hand you can get around it by using ò, ó, õ or 0 instead of the letter o.

Thanks, i figured it was just a quirk but it was still kind of comical.
 
The booing was actually the loudest that the crowd was all game on TV. I suspect if the boos come in clearly, the cheers should too. But, uh, yeah, uh, there's an open end in the stadium and all that junk. It's "not conducive for crowd noise". Nevermind that Qwest Field has something very similar and just set a world record for decibel levels.

Really? I thought that there were quite a few 3rd downs that had a lot more volume than the low boos in the 1st quarter.

Though, I watch the game on a surround sound system with a sub-woofer.

I wonder if the people complaining about crowd noise have their tv turned down
 
Really? I thought that there were quite a few 3rd downs that had a lot more volume than the low boos in the 1st quarter.

Though, I watch the game on a surround sound system with a sub-woofer.

I wonder if the people complaining about crowd noise have their tv turned down


Nope, I have seen at the games I have been to and it has been a constant problem for years, to the point where Jon Kraft has repeatedly made excuses for it. The Foxborough crowd sucks, unfortunately. Does that mean that every one of them isn't trying? Nope. But it is clear that as a group they just don't get it done, and it is actually going to be up to those attending to try and get it turned around, let's hope they can do so because it can be a huge factor, especially in the biggest games.
 
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