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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.As I said, we'll get a truer indication of the defense's improvement against the Falcons, Bengals and Saints. Hell, I'm not even bothering to look past Tampa next week as Freeman can go on streaks during games.You can only play who is on your schedule. The defense has been tremendous. Pondering what they will be against different teams doesn't change that.
Somehow fans around here seem to think taking the field against an offense that isn't the 1984 Dolphins is in itself a failure.
They got 129 yards, including QB scrambles, because we tied a team record for punts and managed 9 first downs on offense.
We held them to 3.9 per carry RB, that is good run defense.
Would you care to guess where among the 32 teams 3.9 yards per attempt rated in the first game? Would it surprise you to know that well over half the teams kept their opponents to less?
The run defense will be tested against Tampa Bay.
As I said, we'll get a truer indication of the defense's improvement against the Falcons, Bengals and Saints. Hell, I'm not even bothering to look past Tampa next week as Freeman can go on streaks during games.
Excuse me for tempering my enthusiasm after facing the Bills and Jets, two powerhouse offensive teams.What they do in future games is meaningless in assessing how they played Thursday. The game is over it doesn't change based on the result of future dames.
Are you disputing that 3.9 ypc is good run d or just being a wise guy?
How the run d played vs the jets is not in any way dependent upon how they play in a future game.
Excuse me for tempering my enthusiasm after facing the Bills and Jets, two powerhouse offensive teams.
Am I pleased with the defensive showing through two games? Yes. Do I want to see how the defense plays against better offenses before I become giddy? Yes.
You want to hang your appraisal on the games played. That's fine. I'm not willing to hang my hat on that because the teams they played have not demonstrated offensive proficiency in some time.My point is that talking about how they played in this game is based on this game.
You want to hang your appraisal on the games played. That's fine. I'm not willing to hang my hat on that because the teams they played have not demonstrated offensive proficiency in some time.
I've already said I'm pleased with the apparent strides the defense appears to be taking. I'll hold off on the universal praise when they bring those performances against the Bengals, Falcons and Saints. I've been a proponent for an elite D for some time. The moment they get there I'll go tantric.
I'm not going to disagree with anything you've put forward TheBostonStraggler but as you said, I'm waiting to see what sort of improvement they'll show against Matt Ryan and Drew Brees before I get really excited. That's all.Aus, I see your point. The Patriots have played two, seemingly, below average offenses. You believe they haven't been tested in a manner that provides enough proof of their effectiveness (or lack of). While I choose to be optimistic by looking at it from the standpoint of 'the 2 opponents so far were the 2 opponents so far, the performance was the performance, they are what they are as of the finish of week 2', again I see the point of view you are coming from. But my view of the D as of week 2 isn't based solely on optimism. I'm also seeing it from a comparison to last season's D. And last season (and the last several years) the Patriots' passing D, at least as I remember it, had a very bad habit of making sub par QBs look above par from a stats perspective. This year, so far, the Patriots have done something I don't recall them doing in quite a while; two weeks in a row they made 2 seemingly sub par quarterbacks actually look sub par, both on the field and in the stat columns (i'll accept that is wrong if someone recalls them doing this last year -- this is just to the best of my recollection).
Man I'll tell you what, and again maybe I recall incorrectly, to me last year's pass D was scary. I just had no faith in them (towards the end of the year that definitely started to change). It wasn't just opposing receivers getting open or even getting quite open on occasion (which happens), there would be too many times where receivers were virtually uncovered, running freely, and running freely more than just 5 to 7 yards downfield. Simply put, last year's pass D was making the job of the opposing QB too easy too often (fortunately the potency of our O would often render their poor play moot). So while I do see your point on the Patriots pass D not yet facing top offenses, when I look at these first two games, see how many many more times the D had to be on the field than in the past, see how nearly every opposition's possession in the fourth quarter was probably a game deciding possession, to then see mostly competitive coverage, to see passes actually defensed/broken up in critical spots, to see the opposing QB's stats reflect their actual abilities, I'm very pleased and optimistic with the pass D so far.
Lastly, as far as playing the Saints or Denver to see where the pass D is at, I'm not proclaiming our pass d is like a brick wall. But let's keep perspective, these offenses score on just about anyone. What I'll be interested most in (in terms of stats), does the pass D give up 350/400 yards like it was nothing (like last year) or do they put up a higher bar of difficulty for the big numbers to be achieved. With that said, unless our O improves, these top offenses are going to score on us, likely quite a bit. They're too good and they'll get too many possessions not to.
I'm not going to disagree with anything you've put forward TheBostonStraggler but as you said, I'm waiting to see what sort of improvement they'll show against Matt Ryan and Drew Brees before I get really excited. That's all.
You want to hang your appraisal on the games played. That's fine. I'm not willing to hang my hat on that because the teams they played have not demonstrated offensive proficiency in some time.
I've already said I'm pleased with the apparent strides the defense appears to be taking. I'll hold off on the universal praise when they bring those performances against the Bengals, Falcons and Saints. I've been a proponent for an elite D for some time. The moment they get there I'll go tantric.
Let's not forget Dennard's court appearance tomorrow...
I'd almost like Dennard have to serve his 10-12 days now, and get it over with. It would certainly kill all the "Oh My God. The Sky is falling as the
Chciken Littles run around in circles.
But he won't. The lawyers will earn a few more bucks delaying it for a minimal amount of time, until the season is over.
in todays NFL unless you got Adrian Peterson in the back field your not going to win a game by running the football, the big stat was 189 yards less then 50% comp and 0 TD's and 3 INT's through the air and the JETS were on the field for 34 min IMO that's great defense
To this point, we can feel that there's definitely been some improvement in the defense.
We were able to withstand 2 games in a period of about 100 hrs (media keeps calling it "5 days" but I'm not sure why? Sun-Thurs. is a 4 day period) vs teams that had the capability to run the ball effectively, and QBs who could tuck it down and scramble for big gainers.
That alone shows a decent enough defensive performance in my eyes. They were able to pressure the QB effectively, and most importantly--continue to cause turnovers, which has consistently shown the highest relationship to winning games.
The secondary hasn't been tested "enough" to this point, so it's only natural for some to be skeptical until they see that done vs better competition. In the meantime, it's not a bad way to start off your first 2 games and get a feel for live game speed again.
The D was in fact stellar. They too the field 5 times in the last 17 1/2 minutes with a 3 point lead supported by an offense that got 2 first downs in tha 1 1/2 minutes and gave up nothing.
What did you want from the D.
Crack me up, 12 carries for 52 yards is now considered walking all over them.ink
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