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Has Tim Tebow earned a roster spot on the Patriots


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I really do not think BB brings guys in to screw with the media (or the fans). It's entirely plausible that BB and JM see Tebow as a project. The last time the Pats carried an extra QB, that worked out OK.

The big difference is that no one knew that kid was on the team. This guy is in the spotlight. Another difference was that TFB was just a football player. There was nothing about him to like or dislike. This guy is a lightning rod because he has character -- something apparently offensive to half of this country and most of Massachusetts.

It's too bad 'fans' of the team cannot hope that one of its players is successful, but I'll bet Tim Tebow will turn the other cheek.

Here's to hoping that Tebow will someday mature into a suitable replacement for the GOAT -- just because he wears the laundry.

Great post man, well said.
 
I guess I just feel its inferred because you keep stating that 2011 defense wasn't atrocious. I see it as a way to deflect the true blame, which is on Tebow and the broncos for just a really bad bad game.
Seriously don't even bother with a Tebowite. A Tebowite will have an excuse for anything that goes wrong with Tim Tebow.
 
Has there ever been a study about people obsessed about arguing online? A reality show would be boring but a study would be fascinating.

As a matter of fact, YES....a few years back,I, Professor Kerr, engaged in a double blind study using myself as the subject. The official conclusion was published in the quarterly newsletter sent out to all matriculates in the Joe Kerr College of Good Looks-School Of Hearsay and unequivocally stated there was absolutely ZERO evidence of obsession or obsessive arguing on ANY topic, subject or issue EVER in the history of the internet.

So THAT my good friend, PROVES IT.

now...what was that you said about Godell and the spygate incident?
 
Seriously don't even bother with a Tebowite. A Tebowite will have an excuse for anything that goes wrong with Tim Tebow.

Just like a Tebow detractor will have an excuse for anything he does right..
 
Just like a Tebow detractor will have an excuse for anything he does right..
What has Tim Tebow accomplished with the New England Patriots thru three preseason games?
 
What has Tim Tebow accomplished with the New England Patriots thru three preseason games?

Sigh, this again? Jack squat... I have answered this numerous times. It doesn't change.

Ok, actually he has accomplished something. He managed to make the argument against keeping him easier.. How about that?
 
Just like a Tebow detractor will have an excuse for anything he does right..

Don't be fatuous.

1) Great college quarterback
2) Terrible NFL quarterback
3) Really nice, charitable guy
4) Completely oblivious to the fact that any God worth paying attention to doesn't give a damn about American football

2 good, 2 negative. I could go on but it's not helpful for people to put their fingers in their ears and say that anybody who doesn't love Tebow is just a hater. Life is dumbed down enough as it is, we don't need to make it worse.
 
Don't be fatuous.

1) Great college quarterback
2) Terrible NFL quarterback
3) Really nice, charitable guy
4) Completely oblivious to the fact that any God worth paying attention to doesn't give a damn about American football

2 good, 2 negative. I could go on but it's not helpful for people to put their fingers in their ears and say that anybody who doesn't love Tebow is just a hater. Life is dumbed down enough as it is, we don't need to make it worse.

I never said hater, I said detractor.. and why bring god into it? That doesn't make any sense.
 
Sigh, this again? Jack squat... I have answered this numerous times. It doesn't change.

Ok, actually he has accomplished something. He managed to make the argument against keeping him easier.. How about that?
It's all about the here and now with the New England Patriots offense vis-a-vis Tim Tebow and not the past.
 
I never said hater, I said detractor.. and why bring god into it? That doesn't make any sense.

One of many reasons many people are Tebow detractors clearly, and the primary reason people are rabid Tebow defenders. Because there aren't really any pro football reasons to defend him.
 
Brock....major props for the use of "fatuous".

I hope you know that 90% of the board rushed to look it up and found out what it means.

reminds me of Macbeth....

Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
 
Don't be fatuous.

4) Completely oblivious to the fact that any God worth paying attention to doesn't give a damn about American football

.

I guess only 1 negative then because he has said that God does not concern himself with outcomes of games. Also (and I am not religious) when he gets down and prays , he specifically prays for God to give him the stregth to honor him after the game win or lose.

"First, I'd like to thank my Lord and Savior ************" and ends with "God bless." He stresses that football is just a game and that God doesn't care who wins or loses.

Tim Tebow: God's Quarterback - WSJ.com
 
and?

Still doesn't change the fact that you refuse to admit he was just plain horrible against a suspect Pats defense.

again I say, you cant have it both ways... either you give credit for tebow beating the steelers and accept that he was horrid against the pats or you have to accept the fact that maybe the injuries, missing players and the coach had something to do with his beating the steelers and then you can say the pats weren't as bad as everyone says.

You change the narrative in the attempt to shine the best light on Tebow as possible.

He beat the #1 Defense!
Patriots were really a lot better than you think!

When in reality it was more like; the #1 defense suffered 2 big losses on the d line, clark couldn't play because it could have killed him and little ****ie l screwed up by not thinking tebow could throw an accurate pass over 15 feet and the Patriots had a very good game plan for tebow and executed it very well.

Let’s give credit where credit is due, Tebow did lead the Broncos to a playoff win in 2011 which is a commendable accomplishment and at the end of the day what really matters is if you win the game.

Now with that formality out of the way let’s take a closer look at his statistical performance and scale it out by NFL standards:

B – Below average
A – Average
H – Higher than average

10/21 47.6% completion – B
316 passing yards – H
2 touchdowns – A
15.5 avg. – H
125.6 rating – H

Now overall her was higher than average in 3 of 5 categories, and below in just 1. By Tebow standards he had a very, very good game against the Steelers, still not what I consider a great game by an NFL quarterback however, but certainly the best of his career.

My biggest issue with Tebow is that the game against the Steelers was the peak of his career at the time and something he should or and could of built upon if he was in fact special enough to perform to that level over a consistent basis (not the blind squirrel parse). Tebow did not build on that game though, he came out against a poor Patriots defense and put up dismal stats (see below), he was traded from Denver in that offseason throwing a few parting blows at Elway on his way out of town, arrived at Jets camp and matched up against a quarterback that was bottom 5 in the NFL which he was unable to beat out, he was given minimal responsibility to run a wildcat offense which he proved incompetent to do and eventually he dropped to 3rd on the depth chart behind a late round draft pick who at best will be a journeyman backup in the NFL. Now Tebow is here like a cat with 9 lives and what has he done with that, he has delivered possibly the worst performance by an NFL QB over 2 games in preseason history.

I do not envy those faithful to Tebow, they’re in a predicament similar to those of who have had a loved one addicted to drugs, they’ve gone to rehab time and time again, but you hold out hope that they can be that child or significant other that you remember 5 or 10 years ago, but eventually you have to concede the fact that no matter what you say or what you do that person is what they are a junkie and unlikely to change, well Tebow faithful is approaching that point where you are going to be forced to make that determination do you want to keep holding out hope and face repeated disappointment or do you just want to accept Tebow is what he is not a good NFL quarterback. That is not to say Tebow is hopeless, a junkie can take it upon themselves to change, but they will never be that person you remember again they will be different but they could be contributing members of society, well Tebow can do something similar in my opinion he can make a decision to make changes on his own and that is a different position than quarterback, he will not be the player you all remember and hold out hope he can be from that Steelers game but at he could be a contributing member of a NFL team. This may not have been the best analogy but hopefully you get my point just the same.
 
One of many reasons many people are Tebow detractors clearly, and the primary reason people are rabid Tebow defenders. Because there aren't really any pro football reasons to defend him.

I won't argue that many of the fans Tebow has support him because of his beliefs.. but no one (other than the troll earlier) has brought it up until you did. I thought we were talking football.

Pro Football reasons.. Dude has elite athleticism, matches up well against many TE's and RB's in several categories (excluding 40 times.. ) And yes, I am aware that as a third string QB that does not matter much. But its there, and so is he.. on the roster. Burning a hole in your soul.

His in game performances have... left something to be desired. I can not argue against that. Won't even. But I think he still has potential, that's all I can say really. It won't ever be enough for you, or the others. You will scream that he doesn't belong until he is out of the NFL all together, or at the very least off the Pats.
 
I guess only 1 negative then because he has said that God does not concern himself with outcomes of games. Also (and I am not religious) when he gets down and prays , he specifically prays for God to give him the stregth to honor him after the game win or lose.

"First, I'd like to thank my Lord and Savior ************" and ends with "God bless." He stresses that football is just a game and that God doesn't care who wins or loses.

Tim Tebow: God's Quarterback - WSJ.com

That only makes it sillier though.
 
Pro Football reasons.. Dude has elite athleticism,

Below average for RB/TE, above average for a QB doesn't add up to elite.

matches up well against many TE's and RB's in several categories (excluding 40 times.. ) And yes, I am aware that as a third string QB that does not matter much.

Can't catch the ball so not a TE, can't hit the hole fast so not a RB, can't get rid of the ball quickly so not a QB.

But its there, and so is he.. on the roster. Burning a hole in your soul.

There is this fantasy that Tebow fans have that it just *burns his detractors so much* when Tebow succeeds but this is a paltry exercise. I would personally love to see Tebow turn into a Swiss army knife and help this team win a super bowl. The reality, though, is that so far there is no evidence that it will happen.

His in game performances have... left something to be desired. I can not argue against that. Won't even. But I think he still has potential, that's all I can say really.

Potential unrealized does not help teams in the NFL.

It won't ever be enough for you, or the others. You will scream that he doesn't belong until he is out of the NFL all together, or at the very least off the Pats.

Or until he proves his worth to the Pats.
 
My eyes aren't focused "inside the box" when looking at points. Why ? Because most do what you apparently do and rank defenses by yards allowed

Simple fact. The team with the most points at the end of the game wins, the team with fewer points loses. You can't say the same thing about total yards. Its often the case that the team with the most yards actually loses the game.

I'd say points allowed can be seen as a team stat and not just a defensive stat... that's why you can't look at points alone to measure a D. Turnovers by the offense, how good your kicker/punter is, and how good your special teams coverage is will all have a major impact in how many points a defense will allow. If Tom Brady was a QB that threw a lot of picks...or even an average amount of picks... it's not likely that the Patriots D would be anywhere near the top of the stat chart in points allowed.

As I said before I like to look at a defense by seeing how well they are at making big stops and big plays. All great defenses can make big stops and big plays. I'm talking forcing turnovers, making sacks and stopping the other team on 3rd down. The 2011 Steelers were good at none of those despite a very weak schedule, and that's why I'm still not impressed even when someone says they were "#1".

I also like to look at Yards Allowed Per Play. As opposed to points, that metric falls entirely on the defense. The 2011 Patriots were ranked 29th in the league in that metric plus near the bottom of the league on 3rd down conversions allowed. What makes that more egregious is the fact that more time spent on the field by the defense is less time for #12 and that hurts the Patriots both ways.
 
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